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avebury

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100. Just how many "friends" are the Zimmerman

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Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:50 AM

Jul 2013

defense team going to trot out? If I were on the jury I would be thinking - "Is this the best that they can do?"

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 10, Monday, July 8, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

I am not sure what more evidence or witnesses the defense can bring in? itsrobert Jul 2013 #1

I'm assuming that they'll try to bring on some medical expert.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #3

Certainly they have their own medical expert customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #354

Defense expects to conclude their case Wednesday pintobean Jul 2013 #2

Sandra Osterman called. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #4

calls him "Georgie" chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #6

Old Georgie? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #203

Wife of Zimmerman's best friend itsrobert Jul 2013 #5

What can she offer that's relevant? Shrek Jul 2013 #8

more lying HipChick Jul 2013 #10

But she said she wouldn't lie chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #12

and I guess we are supposed to believe it... HipChick Jul 2013 #13

She says she hears "Georgie" screams itsrobert Jul 2013 #11

I don't see the point of bringing in some of these witnesses, including the mothers razorman Jul 2013 #192

sometimes by not doing it qazplm Jul 2013 #202

Sounds reasonable. But, any jury would not put much weight on such testimony. razorman Jul 2013 #330

My feed is freezing like crazy today. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #7

Seriously, does anyone have an alternate feed? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #17

Google Trayvon Martin live feed and madaboutharry Jul 2013 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #43

Testimony from a best friend is not going madaboutharry Jul 2013 #9

Agree. Just Saying Jul 2013 #24

CNN expert thinks this is helping the defense itsrobert Jul 2013 #40

Testimony from a mother is different? Pelican Jul 2013 #158

Unfortunately, there's a slew of them who've come and all vouched for the same thing. calimary Jul 2013 #221

We are putting money from the book sales in our savings account to give to George chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #14

why aren't they giving it to him now? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #30

This witness wrote a book defending him. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #15

those 'tears' sure dried up quickly HipChick Jul 2013 #16

I can't believe the jury will give any credibility to this first defense witness. Jim__ Jul 2013 #18

and she just said "I felt I knew it was him"...she's a waste of time chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #20

This is not going to assist the defense. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #21

Seems like she has selective hearing loss itsrobert Jul 2013 #23

Exactly! Just Saying Jul 2013 #25

She is so full of sh*t! nt avebury Jul 2013 #22

It's funny to me that experts aren't allowed to testify as to whose voice chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #26

I thought they did, but Duckwraps Jul 2013 #41

There were two audio experts the prosecution wanted to put on csziggy Jul 2013 #88

And the fact that just about every expert voice analyst premium Jul 2013 #92

Florida used to use the Frye standard - not any more whopis01 Jul 2013 #211

Ah - I knew there was a Frye hearing for this case - didn't know it changed csziggy Jul 2013 #216

FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO WATCH BUT CAN'T WATCH LIVE... TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #27

Thanks TWT JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #33

Thank you! 1monster Jul 2013 #61

Very handy and you can skip the sidebars etc by scrubbing through and KurtNYC Jul 2013 #196

I've watched all of the trial there TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #265

Zimmerman's BFF Mark Osterman being called back to the stand. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #28

I would love to know how much Osterman avebury Jul 2013 #29

He's the one that told him to get a gun TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #34

Cell phone records could prove what number he called. avebury Jul 2013 #38

Pretty sure he is a Federal Air Marshal Lurks Often Jul 2013 #66

He is a Federal Air Marshal premium Jul 2013 #80

That's not accurate. I have clients that were Marshals and moved to grantcart Jul 2013 #355

We're probably both right Lurks Often Jul 2013 #358

agreed grantcart Jul 2013 #359

Everyhting Osterman says about law enforcement and safety makes sense but chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #31

That's what I don't get Just Saying Jul 2013 #35

Osterman reminds me of someone riverwalker Jul 2013 #32

his facial expressions are so creepy looking TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #46

He sure is sweating a lot. targetpractice Jul 2013 #50

Neither have I TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #58

He sure is sweating a lot. yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #113

hyper animated riverwalker Jul 2013 #55

Personally, all the Ostermam blah blah blah about this gun and that gun and right gun and Ninga Jul 2013 #36

It creeped me out Just Saying Jul 2013 #44

But odds are there is at least one gun "nut" on the jury itsrobert Jul 2013 #48

Possible Just Saying Jul 2013 #87

yeap, now he's not trying to answer the threat question... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #51

This doesn't add up.. HipChick Jul 2013 #52

A inside the waist band (IWB) holster has the gun's grip above the top edge of the pants Lurks Often Jul 2013 #71

Zimmerman insisted that his gun was not visible yardwork Jul 2013 #121

I also mentioned a covering garment. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #126

No evidence that Martin ever touched the gun yardwork Jul 2013 #129

Which has absolutely nothing to do with my posts Lurks Often Jul 2013 #187

While simultaneously holding Just Saying Jul 2013 #90

That's what I kept asking. louis-t Jul 2013 #176

Last round of questions by Bernie were directed to clearly Ninga Jul 2013 #60

"It sounds like George" I'm shocked he said that chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #37

Have Trayvon's parents testified as to whether the screams sound like Trayvon? Jim__ Jul 2013 #39

Sadly, His Mom has... Ninga Jul 2013 #42

Thanks. True that it's sad; but, at least the jury has heard testimony that counters this bullshit Jim__ Jul 2013 #47

His mother and brother itsrobert Jul 2013 #45

His mom and older brother did TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #49

To my ears cpwm17 Jul 2013 #54

Wow and the FBI cannot tell at all itsrobert Jul 2013 #59

Voice recognition is a subjective experience cpwm17 Jul 2013 #68

And you are denying reality if Humans don't see or hear things differently itsrobert Jul 2013 #76

Good example customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #361

Zimmerman has an accent? Just Saying Jul 2013 #93

I've heard him speak several times premium Jul 2013 #98

To my ears he has a very subtle accent cpwm17 Jul 2013 #101

Here's some audio of Trayvon's voice Just Saying Jul 2013 #125

That link didn't work on my computer, but I found it at Huffington Post cpwm17 Jul 2013 #148

Sorry it didn't work for you. Just Saying Jul 2013 #343

On the 911 call he made he seemed to have a slight Southern drawl. JVS Jul 2013 #365

That's true cpwm17 Jul 2013 #368

How do you hear an 'accent' in screaming? louis-t Jul 2013 #181

Zimmerman says he's white, not Hispanic. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #200

To my ears Lisa D Jul 2013 #337

Fair enough cpwm17 Jul 2013 #348

No bias in this thread at all. premium Jul 2013 #53

You seem upset itsrobert Jul 2013 #56

Upset? premium Jul 2013 #63

You mean like my 26 years as a police officer? itsrobert Jul 2013 #64

I'll see your 26 years as a LEO premium Jul 2013 #67

But you just said I have none itsrobert Jul 2013 #69

I never said you specifically, did I? premium Jul 2013 #74

We're discussing the case as we see it. Just Saying Jul 2013 #97

And neither does calling witness' liars premium Jul 2013 #103

They are discussing how they feel about the credibility of the witnesses. Just Saying Jul 2013 #109

True. premium Jul 2013 #114

You were perfectly clear. nt. Mariana Jul 2013 #99

When one makes broad statements about an entire thread. Just Saying Jul 2013 #106

Thank you itsrobert Jul 2013 #116

Thank you. nt. premium Jul 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jul 2013 #120

How the hell do you know where Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #140

Educated guess judging by most of the comments, premium Jul 2013 #150

Premium didn't say anything like that. Mariana Jul 2013 #96

Define the word "all" please itsrobert Jul 2013 #105

"all these "experts" here..." Mariana Jul 2013 #128

But I don't know their experiences itsrobert Jul 2013 #134

I'll clarify one more time, premium Jul 2013 #151

Excellent itsrobert Jul 2013 #154

You have a good day also. premium Jul 2013 #156

Just keep keeping it real like you do. Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #205

Nobody knows what went on that night, regardless of their law enforcement or legal credentials. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #353

jury was bored during both Ostermans riverwalker Jul 2013 #70

We're not on the jury, People who chase others needlesly with a gun LOSE the benefit of the doubt uponit7771 Jul 2013 #79

Maybe with you, premium Jul 2013 #85

I keep thinking that the all female jury - after listen to today's gun lecture by the defense Ninga Jul 2013 #91

How do you know these women aren't gun owners? premium Jul 2013 #95

I would imagine its possible for all of them to be....and highly responsible gun owners as well... Ninga Jul 2013 #104

Could go the other way also premium Jul 2013 #110

Of course. I just think responsible gun owners do not walk around like Zimmerman. Ninga Jul 2013 #122

The more this witness keeps trying to minimize Zimmerman's tone and swearing Ninga Jul 2013 #139

I agree that time will of course tell, but people like to discuss big cases. Maybe you don't. So? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #167

I don't mind discussing them, premium Jul 2013 #178

these gun nuts scare the hell outta me NatBurner Jul 2013 #57

I say, keep playing the screening, keeps sounding younger and younger each time I hear... Ninga Jul 2013 #62

I thought the same thing! Just Saying Jul 2013 #112

Love your screen name cause you really are Just Saying (too!) Ninga Jul 2013 #124

I don't see how parading his friends out to claim that it is him screaming madaboutharry Jul 2013 #65

If I were on the Jury I would be wondering avebury Jul 2013 #73

In a normal prosecution, they wouldn't actually have to present actual evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #82

+1, especially his "close" friends uponit7771 Jul 2013 #83

The last thing the prosecution put on customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #356

Uh oh, she is being hostile. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #72

O Mara setting up to call Tracy Martin who said that it didn't sound like Trayvon. Ninga Jul 2013 #75

Calling Tracy Martin would be a mistake for the defense. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #78

If Tracy is able to articulate the shock - same as the brother did - maybe... Ninga Jul 2013 #86

Rousseau thinks that Zimmerman was out on avebury Jul 2013 #77

what is fmla leave? chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #84

Family Medical and Leave Act? itsrobert Jul 2013 #89

Family Medical LeaveAct avebury Jul 2013 #94

Who Zimmermans age would scream so wildly like that!? That doesn't sound like a scream from a 30yr.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #81

Yes, especially while having to think about what to do...screaming for your life and thinking could Ninga Jul 2013 #119

While holding the loaded gun. yardwork Jul 2013 #138

Just how many "friends" are the Zimmerman avebury Jul 2013 #100

my thought exactly riverwalker Jul 2013 #123

She gave him money and bought him clothes and food, madaboutharry Jul 2013 #102

Does anyone know where you can find the avebury Jul 2013 #108

There have been comments here with this live feed: Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #115

You might try searching Just Saying Jul 2013 #118

this guy is in court riverwalker Jul 2013 #127

Someone here pointed out that anyone who screamed like that would likely hedgehog Jul 2013 #111

he did the walk through the next morning riverwalker Jul 2013 #137

Freudian slip? avebury Jul 2013 #117

Amazing how resistant these friends of George Zimmerman all seem madaboutharry Jul 2013 #130

It benefits the PA to play these words of Zimmerman uponit7771 Jul 2013 #131

How on earth can these witnesses possibly avebury Jul 2013 #132

Keep Playing the tape Bernie! Zimmy's friends are not sound too confident... Ninga Jul 2013 #133

That is exactly what I just was thinking! nt avebury Jul 2013 #135

What strikes me most is the complete disconnect these witnesses have Marrah_G Jul 2013 #136

Keeping digging a hole...I can almost hear the jury think "really"? Matter of fact? Ninga Jul 2013 #144

They're bigots. A black kid was murdered. They don't care. There's little value in the humanity of a Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #227

Does'nt the defense have anything but liars to put on the stand today? HipChick Jul 2013 #141

Witness: Calling someone an "asshole" is not ill will itsrobert Jul 2013 #142

Zimmerman in response to hearing 911 scream for 1st time - "...That doesn't even sound like me..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #143

and the screaming ends when the guns is fired KurtNYC Jul 2013 #198

I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #250

"doesn't even sound like me" is consistent with many people's reactions to hearing their own voices. JVS Jul 2013 #367

Not in that context uponit7771 Jul 2013 #369

says it was "wind" not running riverwalker Jul 2013 #145

I heard the winds were real light itsrobert Jul 2013 #146

Here: madaboutharry Jul 2013 #147

IF the defence cannot come up with anything but avebury Jul 2013 #149

Especially friends with check books that testify that he heard from his attorney clients Ninga Jul 2013 #152

John Donelly, physician's assistant (PA), husband of Leeann Benjamin, up now. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #153

Talking about what a day in the life of a combat medic has what to do with this case? Marrah_G Jul 2013 #155

Establish Donnelly's experience. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #163

Is he trying to say that George was in combat? all american girl Jul 2013 #159

I think he's trying to backdoor this guy as an expert on screaming and voice recognition. Jim__ Jul 2013 #161

I think that is where he is headed. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #166

I don't understand "Georgie's" friends all american girl Jul 2013 #157

Does anyone know if there is anyone that is tweeting avebury Jul 2013 #160

If I were on this jury, after being sequestered for two days, I would be squirming and even Ninga Jul 2013 #165

I found @bobkealing on twitter and avebury Jul 2013 #172

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Donally testify's that he never discussed the tape with his wife Ninga Jul 2013 #173

lemme get this straight riverwalker Jul 2013 #162

Has Zimmerman been mentally evaluated? itsrobert Jul 2013 #168

This guy deserves an academy award for his acting. Saturday Jul 2013 #171

Wiping the tear from his eye may have been over the top. Jim__ Jul 2013 #174

You've never seen a combat vet tear up over old memories? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #351

None of his friends "listened" closely to the tape because they didn't want to. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #164

They tried to not watch/listen to things on purpose itsrobert Jul 2013 #177

seems like every witness was coached to say that. bettyellen Jul 2013 #201

He listened to the tape two days ago! bravenak Jul 2013 #169

Right! Was he scheduled to testify prior to Saturday? Jim__ Jul 2013 #170

I'm not believing this guy. bravenak Jul 2013 #189

Well he slipped up and said he had heard "parts" of the tape prior...And he and his wife didn't Ninga Jul 2013 #179

Right! bravenak Jul 2013 #186

....says the jury full of women...... :) Ninga Jul 2013 #188

Is the defense filibustering the trial with this crap?! What point are they making?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #175

"Trying to give them information" madaboutharry Jul 2013 #180

They're making the point that Georgie has lots of odd friends... Saturday Jul 2013 #190

lol... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #193

Well, according to expert witness Ashley Banfield on CNN: Myrina Jul 2013 #210

From @bobkealing: avebury Jul 2013 #182

Thx Ninga Jul 2013 #185

He bought all the fancy suits for Zimmerman Generic Other Jul 2013 #183

Meltdown by the dee-fence yardwork Jul 2013 #191

God...Vietnam is part of this trial... Gin Jul 2013 #184

....... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #194

I was thinking the same thing JVS Jul 2013 #366

Saw this tweet Shrek Jul 2013 #195

I didn't find him to be a very effective witness. avebury Jul 2013 #199

You've heard of "guilt by association"? customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #362

Thanks for doing this for those of us who can't bear to watch it myself. patrice Jul 2013 #197

Apparently, the defense wants to show the jury cartoons: Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #204

Are they serious! avebury Jul 2013 #206

PDF of the motion here riverwalker Jul 2013 #207

good lawd, surprised Pixar not involved too riverwalker Jul 2013 #208

They could do a movie and Travyon itsrobert Jul 2013 #240

Good grief uppityperson Jul 2013 #283

A reenactment is something Zimmerman JimDandy Jul 2013 #214

It does look like they are setting it up to call avebury Jul 2013 #209

I don't think that is where they are headed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #212

It could set up the Prosecution to put Trayvon's Dad on the stand. avebury Jul 2013 #218

Surprised they used Serino to get in Martin's words Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #224

What is a "rebuttal case"? Thx in advance and for your expertise uponit7771 Jul 2013 #231

After the defense rests, the prosecution can present additional witnesses.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #237

Don't tell me they are looking to call Tracy Martin (Trayvon's dad), are they? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #213

Devastating to the prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #215

And Zimmerman said the voice didn't sound like him. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #217

A draw doesn't help the prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #222

Prosecution helped bring out the context in cross. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #226

If the prosecution called Tracy Martin customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #357

But LESS devastating than GZ saying "that doesn't sound like me" when confronted with the screams?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #228

Right, so how does any of this help the prosecution? LittleBlue Jul 2013 #239

Zimmerman should know FIRST HAND it was him screaming for help not TM's dad....Zimmerman is the one uponit7771 Jul 2013 #246

Since he says he screamed for help, help, help, I think Zman royally screwed up. Hoyt Jul 2013 #263

Zimmerman upon hearing the screams for help - ",....that doesn't even sound like me..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #219

I don't necessarily look at it that way. avebury Jul 2013 #220

right because Serino is NOT ..NOT being so definative about Tracy saying NO to his questions vs... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #229

Does anyone ELSE have a bad feeling about Serino?! Why is he being so direct in the defenses favor?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #223

Serino is the one who recommended a manslaughter charge against Zimmerman. woolldog Jul 2013 #230

...my understanding is later he said he was pressured by the black LEOs in his PD uponit7771 Jul 2013 #232

interesting.... woolldog Jul 2013 #245

Google key words "Serino pressured to press charges" link inside uponit7771 Jul 2013 #252

Thanks. nt woolldog Jul 2013 #258

do they?? that sounds a little corrupt to me... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #262

Because it's collusion. The police fucked up and now need Zimmerman to cover their own mistakes. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #233

+1, they drug tested the dead person but NOT the shooter, that goes towards their whole mind uponit7771 Jul 2013 #238

Martin's father didn't have Crump there to advise him I would guess. Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #264

The bald headed prosecutor, woolldog Jul 2013 #225

"...doesn't even suonds like me ...", Serino was NOT definative about that HURTING Z but Martins wor uponit7771 Jul 2013 #234

Serino " ... it was someone just hearing their own voice...", doesn't accept that to be a denial !?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #236

It is really hard to believe that Serino was a Detective at the time. avebury Jul 2013 #241

Yeap, and a comment like what Z said would've been jumped on later. The context was around ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #244

PUT HIS HEAD DOWN AND WAS CRYING DURING ANSWER!? They guy was distraught!? They didn't ask uponit7771 Jul 2013 #242

BOTH detectives are VERY definitive in favor of the defense! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #243

Methinks it's guilt. Guilt that he has to lie for Zimmerman. Guilt that an unarmed black kid is dead Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #268

I think the poster is referring to Tracy Martin. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #269

Thanks. I hope so. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #306

It is appalling that the Detectives are so willing to cut avebury Jul 2013 #247

AMEN!! Also, according to Serino Z was responding to his "smothering" Claim being challenged at the uponit7771 Jul 2013 #249

Obviously they had no bias itsrobert Jul 2013 #251

First this gym guy goes "Mm-hmm," then he says "Absolutely." YES or NO, Nitwit. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #248

I can't listen to this def. lawyer. I can't figure out what this gym guy is intended to prove. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #253

I guess it's that he was a crappy teacher and/or Zimmerman was a crappy student? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #257

To me, Zimmerman trained to beat the hell out of someone, or shoot them if that wasn't working for Hoyt Jul 2013 #287

Not sure where the defense is going here. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #254

Front loading like the PA did? I think they'er trying to frame the MMA training because to me it ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #256

The defense is heading towards showing that Z was still a fat slob. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #259

lol, When i saw Z's enactment he looked pretty fit to me...didn't look like he was all over the plac uponit7771 Jul 2013 #261

why would they do that? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #281

According to Zimmermans FP Zimmerman trained MMA 3 times a week!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #255

I didn't know Zimmerman's MMA trainer was Paul Ryan itsrobert Jul 2013 #266

oh boy, stuck in a doctors waiting room and reading this is making me sick. My blood pressure will Ninga Jul 2013 #260

A YEAR OF MMA TRAINING?! He got beat up after a YEAR of MMA and BOXING training?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #267

OK what on earth was Zimmerman doing 3 hours a day avebury Jul 2013 #270

I call BS.....this guy is comparing zimmerman to a person who has been well trained for years. all american girl Jul 2013 #296

I know right? Marrah_G Jul 2013 #273

so your son was out of shape and didnt know anything about MMA and learned it all in a year HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #289

That's not even close to what I said. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #297

so you would put anyone in that workout and expect a certain result? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #299

I've seen even those not in great shape learn basic skills in less time Marrah_G Jul 2013 #308

would you say that losing 90lbs in about a year is good? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #313

+1 on the basics...especially training 3 days a week 2 - 3 hours a day!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #340

Almost a year Z was IN SHAPE and knew more than Trayvon Martin did! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #339

Hopefully, 10 months of MMA and LITTLE to NO progress!?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #338

How on earth can a person work out 3 hours a day, 3 days a week for a year avebury Jul 2013 #271

bad eating habits. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #272

From the photos it appears his real eating problems occured after the charges were filed. Incitatus Jul 2013 #363

According to the trainer... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #275

1 is 100% better than no training at all uponit7771 Jul 2013 #277

According to Mr. cocky trainer. Saturday Jul 2013 #291

Please show where the trainer said that. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #294

Sounds like Z got into good shape but his training is saying he sucked at training uponit7771 Jul 2013 #279

So today we've heard from Zimmerman's sugar daddy and the world's worst MMA trainer ever. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #274

No. They are setting up that TM would be able to knock Z down. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #276

+1, yes...1 year of MMA trainging...3 hours a week and Z was still a 1?! Yeap, he's stank uponit7771 Jul 2013 #278

if a 1 is bad for a year of training, what should his number be after a year of training? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #280

depends on how dedicated the person, 1 is still 100% better than 0..tm had zero training uponit7771 Jul 2013 #282

even with a lot of dedication, results take time. Doesn't just happen over night. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #285

Just like love. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #286

And he does not encourage for people to work out at home by themselves itsrobert Jul 2013 #284

Zimmerman sure picked the wrong gym. avebury Jul 2013 #288

+1, I don't believe for a SECOND this guy let him go .5 in a year. Either way it's better than the.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #292

Have you ever wrestled with your friends? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #301

do you think his metabolism may play a factor in this? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #293

300 hours Nevernose Jul 2013 #316

1 year of MMA trainng and boxing > zero, don't beieve for a SECOND now Z was beat up by 150lb uponit7771 Jul 2013 #290

well it wasn't a full year, he did take a couple months off.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #295

Yes, TRAINED people...Trayvon was not trained for 10 months and 2-3 days a week... TM was a skinny uponit7771 Jul 2013 #298

I never said I saw a TRAINED smaller person take down a TRAINED bigger person... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #300

True, I have too... I coachd for a while...the kid who trained 95% of time had the advantage over... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #303

5%.. so you're saying there's a chance(Jim Carrey reference) HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #307

Of course, there's always a chance of something. Not PROBABLE but anything is possible. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #310

TM was 158 lbs and a 10th grader. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #312

My understanding was his grades were good, he got suspended for stuff like graffiti and being late uponit7771 Jul 2013 #314

A 3.75 GPA is not doing well in school?! You only need a 3.5 to be Dean's List. 1monster Jul 2013 #349

No, he went from Oct to around Nov time frame, and then took off for a couple of months. all american girl Jul 2013 #302

True, he trained around 10months before he killed Trayvon with a gun uponit7771 Jul 2013 #305

I see what you did there. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #317

Will the jury believe the trainer? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #304

They can't, if Z was knocked down where he said he was sucker punched there's no way TM ended uponit7771 Jul 2013 #309

That is an entirely different question. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #315

The prosecutor should have ended his avebury Jul 2013 #318

The defense would have loved it. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #322

If it is the position of Zimmerman's defense team avebury Jul 2013 #324

good point... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #331

refresh my memory. which of the two had priors for assault? frylock Jul 2013 #347

Irrelevant to the question asked. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #350

They would only be raised customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #360

wow. 90lbs in almost a year isnt too bad.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #311

Wow. The defense gone and done it. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #319

I don't get this. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #321

Isn't it good that Tracy Martin gets to say that he didn't say no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #325

What I mean is that I don't get the defense calling him. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #327

oh ok. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #329

I am very surprised about it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #333

I cannot believe Omara has the gall! nt avebury Jul 2013 #320

Why are you surprised? He went after Sybrina and didn't even blink an eye! SICK FUCK!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #334

I think it ended up working for the Prosecution avebury Jul 2013 #335

That is his job. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #352

Of course that's his job. I'm not disputing that. He's still a sick fuck! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #364

WTF is this about?! Tracy NEVER EVER said he said that was NOT TM's voice uponit7771 Jul 2013 #323

Tracy is holding up very well. avebury Jul 2013 #326

True, I'm REALLY REALLY not liking Serino at this point. Do you know if he was demoted?! Don't under uponit7771 Jul 2013 #328

Who is hear is thinking that Omara was sitting there avebury Jul 2013 #332

Maybe defense attorney is tired of the smug, lying, murdering, sack of dung. Hoyt Jul 2013 #345

I don't see that the defense accomplished anything calling Mr. Martin. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #336

Maybe not Lurks Often Jul 2013 #344

WOULD YOU START A NEW THREAD AS THIS ONE IS TOO LONG TO DOWNLOAD? uppityperson Jul 2013 #341

agree madaboutharry Jul 2013 #342

Omara needs to remember that Zimmerman IS NOT a avebury Jul 2013 #346