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Harmony Blue

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Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:11 AM Jul 2013

Winning isn't everything as we have seen the last few years [View all]

I believe the root of this divide in the Democratic party is about those that believe winning is everything vs those that believe expressing and supporting ideas is everything. And as a result the clashes have taken place over the years because of this different mindset has slowly drifted the two sides apart. The Democratic party keeps winning on the national level and yet the Republicans, despite being the losers, control the narrative and tone of the nation. They make right hand turns for a nation that is for the most part liberal on a variety of topics. Republicans are winning at the local and state level, but they do so because they don't believe winning is everything but that supporting a conservative brand and ideas is what it is all about. Winning though simply allows them an easier time to propagate (and steam roll) their ideas, and their world view on their local and state populaces. The argument that President Obama and the the rest of the Democratic party needs more victories in the Senate and House to do anything simply doesn't resonate with voters. Why? They see a Republican party doing more with less as an opposition party (not much of anything else though), so most voters are nearly convinced that a majority in the house in favor of Dems still will not be enough. To further complicate this, even assuming if more Dems win in the House and gain seats, if they are blue dogs has the Democratic party really won votes? If blue dog Dems vote the same in the end as a Tea Party Republican snobby upstart, the end result is the same.

This fixation that winning is everything simply doesn't resonate with many of the people in the United States given the cultural history. This is why the under dog is so popular in the American psyche. There is a low chance of winning but the ideas are so bold, and swell so much passion, that the zeal to support these ideas overwhelms the logical reasoning that there is a low chance of winning. The American Revolution all the way to Rocky shows this is true and is an undercurrent that has always been prevalent in the American fabric. The detractors for the Occupy movement argued that there was no end goal, winning strategy or a singular, main leader that could lead the movement towards victory. But that misses the point of the Occupy movement as it changed the narrative of austerity at the time towards the disparity between the 1% vs the 99%. So, when that video surfaced of Romeny talking so disparagingly of a proportion of the American population it resonated with the American populace as the seed was planted by the Occupy movement.

Civil rights activists, whistle blowers, leakers, protestors, environmentalists, etc often are doing some activity or action that more than likely they will have a low chance of winning. But that doesn't slow down their resolve of what compels them to do what they believe and think is right. Rather it reinforces that they must forge forward and put those ideas out there to inspire others. That is how you win ultimately IMVHO.

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I don't know. Gay marriage? ACA? Recursion Jul 2013 #1
When you have a twice-elected Democratic President calling for cuts to Social Security ... Scuba Jul 2013 #8
Yes. Much better he stomp his feet than deal with political really Recursion Jul 2013 #10
Your comment would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Scuba Jul 2013 #12
better a president who accomplishes nothing than one who accomplishes pernicious things. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36
You do realize Elizabeth Warren Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #14
Another laughable defense. Yes, Warren was appointed by Obama. That's a small gain... Scuba Jul 2013 #15
Then remove the sig Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #16
No, but thanks for your concern. Scuba Jul 2013 #17
I will give you one win there... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #20
So were the Clean Water Act and the Food Safety Act Recursion Jul 2013 #25
It is bad... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #26
There are a ton of limits. The 20% admin/profit cap, the requirement for state approval... Recursion Jul 2013 #27
Gay marriage LWolf Jul 2013 #22
I am for anything that expands access to health care Recursion Jul 2013 #28
My access to health care has not expanded. It has shrunk. LWolf Jul 2013 #34
exactly. When blue dog dems vote like republicans, the results are the same. We end up with very liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #2
Yes social justice has always been linked to economic justice Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #5
As my discussions with people who vote for republicans their main issue is of pro-life/pro-choice. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #3
The M$M only makes it look like the RW is winning siligut Jul 2013 #4
There's no real "divivde" in the democratic party...just some DU fudr IMHO uponit7771 Jul 2013 #6
Based on how the nation perceives the NSA stories and how Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #7
There's a huge divide. Scuba Jul 2013 #11
True. There's no longer much Left left leftstreet Jul 2013 #13
What divide in the Democratic Party? JaneyVee Jul 2013 #9
In the actual party, like at precinct meetings? I haven't seen any, really Recursion Jul 2013 #31
But there's always a bit of a split, we're a big tent party. We unite at the polls. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #37
Republican Rats Rule Democratic Cats DeSwiss Jul 2013 #18
And then there is the nineteen50 Jul 2013 #19
The ONLY win is when ideas win. LWolf Jul 2013 #21
Ideas don't accomplish anything; people do Recursion Jul 2013 #29
People win when their ideas do. LWolf Jul 2013 #32
OK, but the classic retort is "that's the attitude that gets us McGovern and Mondale" Recursion Jul 2013 #33
I'd rather work for a McGovern LWolf Jul 2013 #35
Um, Republicans won a majority of House seats. Kind of forgot to address that fact. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #23
Winning is necessary but not sufficient Recursion Jul 2013 #30
There is no substitute for victory nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38
Republicans thought winning the House could set the tone Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #39
Excellent analysis! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #24
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