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In reply to the discussion: ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 10, Monday, July 8, 2013 [View all]yardwork
(61,712 posts)191. Meltdown by the dee-fence
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I don't see the point of bringing in some of these witnesses, including the mothers
razorman
Jul 2013
#192
Sounds reasonable. But, any jury would not put much weight on such testimony.
razorman
Jul 2013
#330
Unfortunately, there's a slew of them who've come and all vouched for the same thing.
calimary
Jul 2013
#221
We are putting money from the book sales in our savings account to give to George
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#14
I can't believe the jury will give any credibility to this first defense witness.
Jim__
Jul 2013
#18
Personally, all the Ostermam blah blah blah about this gun and that gun and right gun and
Ninga
Jul 2013
#36
A inside the waist band (IWB) holster has the gun's grip above the top edge of the pants
Lurks Often
Jul 2013
#71
Thanks. True that it's sad; but, at least the jury has heard testimony that counters this bullshit
Jim__
Jul 2013
#47
Nobody knows what went on that night, regardless of their law enforcement or legal credentials.
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#353
We're not on the jury, People who chase others needlesly with a gun LOSE the benefit of the doubt
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#79
I keep thinking that the all female jury - after listen to today's gun lecture by the defense
Ninga
Jul 2013
#91
I would imagine its possible for all of them to be....and highly responsible gun owners as well...
Ninga
Jul 2013
#104
Of course. I just think responsible gun owners do not walk around like Zimmerman.
Ninga
Jul 2013
#122
I agree that time will of course tell, but people like to discuss big cases. Maybe you don't. So?
WinkyDink
Jul 2013
#167
I say, keep playing the screening, keeps sounding younger and younger each time I hear...
Ninga
Jul 2013
#62
I don't see how parading his friends out to claim that it is him screaming
madaboutharry
Jul 2013
#65
In a normal prosecution, they wouldn't actually have to present actual evidence.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#82
O Mara setting up to call Tracy Martin who said that it didn't sound like Trayvon.
Ninga
Jul 2013
#75
Who Zimmermans age would scream so wildly like that!? That doesn't sound like a scream from a 30yr..
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#81
Yes, especially while having to think about what to do...screaming for your life and thinking could
Ninga
Jul 2013
#119
Keeping digging a hole...I can almost hear the jury think "really"? Matter of fact?
Ninga
Jul 2013
#144
They're bigots. A black kid was murdered. They don't care. There's little value in the humanity of a
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2013
#227
Zimmerman in response to hearing 911 scream for 1st time - "...That doesn't even sound like me..."
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#143
"doesn't even sound like me" is consistent with many people's reactions to hearing their own voices.
JVS
Jul 2013
#367
Especially friends with check books that testify that he heard from his attorney clients
Ninga
Jul 2013
#152
John Donelly, physician's assistant (PA), husband of Leeann Benjamin, up now. N/T
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#153
Talking about what a day in the life of a combat medic has what to do with this case?
Marrah_G
Jul 2013
#155
I think he's trying to backdoor this guy as an expert on screaming and voice recognition.
Jim__
Jul 2013
#161
If I were on this jury, after being sequestered for two days, I would be squirming and even
Ninga
Jul 2013
#165
Liar, liar, pants on fire! Donally testify's that he never discussed the tape with his wife
Ninga
Jul 2013
#173
None of his friends "listened" closely to the tape because they didn't want to.
madaboutharry
Jul 2013
#164
Well he slipped up and said he had heard "parts" of the tape prior...And he and his wife didn't
Ninga
Jul 2013
#179
Is the defense filibustering the trial with this crap?! What point are they making?!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#175
After the defense rests, the prosecution can present additional witnesses....
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#235
Don't tell me they are looking to call Tracy Martin (Trayvon's dad), are they?
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#213
But LESS devastating than GZ saying "that doesn't sound like me" when confronted with the screams?!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#228
Zimmerman should know FIRST HAND it was him screaming for help not TM's dad....Zimmerman is the one
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#246
Zimmerman upon hearing the screams for help - ",....that doesn't even sound like me..."
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#219
right because Serino is NOT ..NOT being so definative about Tracy saying NO to his questions vs...
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#229
Does anyone ELSE have a bad feeling about Serino?! Why is he being so direct in the defenses favor?!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#223
...my understanding is later he said he was pressured by the black LEOs in his PD
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#232
Because it's collusion. The police fucked up and now need Zimmerman to cover their own mistakes.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2013
#233
+1, they drug tested the dead person but NOT the shooter, that goes towards their whole mind
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#238
Martin's father didn't have Crump there to advise him I would guess.
Wash. state Desk Jet
Jul 2013
#264
"...doesn't even suonds like me ...", Serino was NOT definative about that HURTING Z but Martins wor
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#234
Serino " ... it was someone just hearing their own voice...", doesn't accept that to be a denial !?!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#236
Yeap, and a comment like what Z said would've been jumped on later. The context was around ...
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#244
PUT HIS HEAD DOWN AND WAS CRYING DURING ANSWER!? They guy was distraught!? They didn't ask
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#242
Methinks it's guilt. Guilt that he has to lie for Zimmerman. Guilt that an unarmed black kid is dead
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2013
#268
AMEN!! Also, according to Serino Z was responding to his "smothering" Claim being challenged at the
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#249
First this gym guy goes "Mm-hmm," then he says "Absolutely." YES or NO, Nitwit.
WinkyDink
Jul 2013
#248
I can't listen to this def. lawyer. I can't figure out what this gym guy is intended to prove.
WinkyDink
Jul 2013
#253
I guess it's that he was a crappy teacher and/or Zimmerman was a crappy student?
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#257
To me, Zimmerman trained to beat the hell out of someone, or shoot them if that wasn't working for
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#287
Front loading like the PA did? I think they'er trying to frame the MMA training because to me it ...
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#256
lol, When i saw Z's enactment he looked pretty fit to me...didn't look like he was all over the plac
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#261
oh boy, stuck in a doctors waiting room and reading this is making me sick. My blood pressure will
Ninga
Jul 2013
#260
A YEAR OF MMA TRAINING?! He got beat up after a YEAR of MMA and BOXING training?!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#267
I call BS.....this guy is comparing zimmerman to a person who has been well trained for years.
all american girl
Jul 2013
#296
so your son was out of shape and didnt know anything about MMA and learned it all in a year
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#289
From the photos it appears his real eating problems occured after the charges were filed.
Incitatus
Jul 2013
#363
Sounds like Z got into good shape but his training is saying he sucked at training
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#279
So today we've heard from Zimmerman's sugar daddy and the world's worst MMA trainer ever.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jul 2013
#274
+1, yes...1 year of MMA trainging...3 hours a week and Z was still a 1?! Yeap, he's stank
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#278
if a 1 is bad for a year of training, what should his number be after a year of training?
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#280
depends on how dedicated the person, 1 is still 100% better than 0..tm had zero training
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#282
even with a lot of dedication, results take time. Doesn't just happen over night.
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#285
+1, I don't believe for a SECOND this guy let him go .5 in a year. Either way it's better than the..
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#292
1 year of MMA trainng and boxing > zero, don't beieve for a SECOND now Z was beat up by 150lb
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#290
Yes, TRAINED people...Trayvon was not trained for 10 months and 2-3 days a week... TM was a skinny
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#298
I never said I saw a TRAINED smaller person take down a TRAINED bigger person...
HeroInAHalfShell
Jul 2013
#300
True, I have too... I coachd for a while...the kid who trained 95% of time had the advantage over...
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#303
Of course, there's always a chance of something. Not PROBABLE but anything is possible.
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#310
My understanding was his grades were good, he got suspended for stuff like graffiti and being late
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#314
A 3.75 GPA is not doing well in school?! You only need a 3.5 to be Dean's List.
1monster
Jul 2013
#349
No, he went from Oct to around Nov time frame, and then took off for a couple of months.
all american girl
Jul 2013
#302
They can't, if Z was knocked down where he said he was sucker punched there's no way TM ended
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#309
Why are you surprised? He went after Sybrina and didn't even blink an eye! SICK FUCK!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2013
#334
Of course that's his job. I'm not disputing that. He's still a sick fuck!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2013
#364
True, I'm REALLY REALLY not liking Serino at this point. Do you know if he was demoted?! Don't under
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#328
I don't see that the defense accomplished anything calling Mr. Martin.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#336