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cali

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Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:10 PM Jul 2013

When Is A Military Coup Not A Military Coup? When The White House Says So. [View all]

Last week Senator Leahy called for U.S. aid to Egypt to be cut off. The coup in Egypt is clearly and indisputably the military overthow of a democratically elected government. Senator Leahy's call for cutting off aid came before the horrendous events of this morning.

Soldiers and police officers fired on hundreds of supporters of Mohamed Morsi, Egypt’s ousted Islamist president, as they prayed before dawn on Monday during a protest outside the facility where he is believed to be detained, sharply escalating the nearly week-old crisis convulsing the country and further dimming any hope for a political reconciliation.
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At least 51 civilian demonstrators were killed and more than 300 were wounded, all or almost all of them by gunfire, health officials said. Dozens of witnesses said the soldiers and police officers had opened fire unprovoked, an assertion that was immediately challenged by the military authorities.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=all

Responding to the ousting of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi on Wednesday, Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) said in a statement that U.S. law is clear that foreign aid "is cut off when a democratically elected government is deposed by military coup or decree."

"The Morsi government has been a great disappointment to the people of Egypt, and to all who wish Egypt a successful transition to responsive, representative government under the rule of law," said Leahy, who is chairman of the Appropriations Committee’s Subcommittee on the State Department and Foreign Operations. "He squandered an historic opportunity, preferring to govern by fiat rather than work with other political parties to do what is best for all Egyptians. Egypt’s military leaders say they have no intent or desire to govern, and I hope they make good on their promise."

"In the meantime, our law is clear: U.S. aid is cut off when a democratically elected government is deposed by military coup or decree. As we work on the new budget, my committee also will review future aid to the Egyptian government as we wait for a clearer picture. As the world’s oldest democracy, this is a time to reaffirm our commitment to the principle that transfers of power should be by the ballot, not by force of arms.”

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The White House said on Monday it is not in the best interests of the United States to immediately change its aid program to Egypt, where President Mohamed Mursi was removed from office by the military last week.

The U.S. government is not yet prepared to label the Egyptian military's overthrow of the government as a coup, a decision that would determine whether U.S. aid to the country would continue, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.


"There are significant consequences that go along with this determination and it is a highly charged issue for millions of Egyptians who have differing views about what happened," Carney told reporters at a briefing.

"We are going to take the time necessary to review what has taken place and to monitor efforts by Egyptian authorities to forge an inclusive and democratic way forward," he said.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/08/us-egypt-protests-usa-aid-idUSBRE9670VC20130708
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Why use one word when you can use six" dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #1
this disgusts me. there's no other way to put it. cali Jul 2013 #3
Didn't we see this before in Honduras? Downwinder Jul 2013 #2
It was a "military overthow of a democratically elected government" that people were cheering. ProSense Jul 2013 #4
So the hell what? The definition of a military coup is clear- as Senator Leahy cali Jul 2013 #5
I was ProSense Jul 2013 #8
if you concede that it is a military coup, then you must also cali Jul 2013 #11
Yes, but ProSense Jul 2013 #13
damn I agree with ProSense :) nt friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #9
This is a recent law made in 2011... Otherwise, I probably would have had to leave Turkey in 1971.. cascadiance Jul 2013 #21
I find that I cannot get upset about this coup cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #6
and the massacre this morning by the military? cali Jul 2013 #7
and the massacre yesterday of teenagers thrown off rooftops friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #10
not the same thing. A horrible crime but not one done by the government. cali Jul 2013 #12
committed by henchman OF the former government. nt friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #14
and what part of that makes them part of any government? cali Jul 2013 #15
oh ffs... friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #18
I don't know yet. who the fuck says that Egyptians are going to get another chance at good gov't? cali Jul 2013 #23
I believe that the military needs to keep order friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #26
Fair enough. I disagree. I think that's the authoritarian pov cali Jul 2013 #28
let me clarify Cali. friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #29
That would be the best outcome. I have grave doubts about its likelihood cali Jul 2013 #31
Thats the equivalent dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #16
Also bad Scootaloo Jul 2013 #17
at prayer? friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #20
When it comes to the military firing on civilians... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #22
MSNBC's analyst on the ground referred a few days ago to a difference in the military's patrice Jul 2013 #32
When the military has been in charge all along. MineralMan Jul 2013 #19
Morsi was democratically elected , then turned around and made himself a dictator. octoberlib Jul 2013 #24
Oh please. You think there's a lot of support for the military after this morning cali Jul 2013 #25
The people may not support the military now but they also octoberlib Jul 2013 #33
Where did you go to college? A coup is a coup. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #40
Yes, it is still a coup whether it's military octoberlib Jul 2013 #41
Does the need to figure out who killed these people today create any perspective at all on the patrice Jul 2013 #27
The White House said..."We are going to take the time necessary to review" Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #30
Pat Leahy chair of the sub committe that governs this aid cali Jul 2013 #34
And I'm sure Patrick Leahy's input will be taken into consideration Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #36
Isn't the Speaker of the House the 3rd in line? n/t dgibby Jul 2013 #38
no. it's vp, speaker then president pro tempore of the senate. cali Jul 2013 #42
Yep....its about money..and semantics..if they call it a military coup...US law says we stop funding Gin Jul 2013 #35
Obviously its a military coup. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #37
Juan Cole called it a "revocouption". With millions in the street it was not your typical coup but pampango Jul 2013 #39
Don't be surprised if Jay Carney comes out tomorrow and says the administration has it cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #43
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