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cascadiance

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21. This is a recent law made in 2011... Otherwise, I probably would have had to leave Turkey in 1971..

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:11 PM

Jul 2013

... instead of 1973 when I was there if it was around then when the Turkish military overthrew the elected Turkish government, and if Americans had to pull out all aid from Turkey then. That had happened four times and would have been a real problem with American/Turkish relations over the years if they'd not had a way of looking at this situation more pragmatically. The Turkish coups were not always pretty and not perfect, but in those cases democratic rule was restored.

If Erdogan cracks down even more in Turkey with recent events there and a coup is done to stop that sort of crack down, would the U.S. have to pull out all of its operations in Turkey too?

I think there needs to be some sort of evaluation of the way the present government is acting if it is subverting democracy in its rule, even if it was initially elected as a majority government. Probably not as a clear issue as we'd like it to be.

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When Is A Military Coup Not A Military Coup? When The White House Says So. [View all] cali Jul 2013 OP

Why use one word when you can use six" dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #1

this disgusts me. there's no other way to put it. cali Jul 2013 #3

Didn't we see this before in Honduras? Downwinder Jul 2013 #2

It was a "military overthow of a democratically elected government" that people were cheering. ProSense Jul 2013 #4

So the hell what? The definition of a military coup is clear- as Senator Leahy cali Jul 2013 #5

I was ProSense Jul 2013 #8

if you concede that it is a military coup, then you must also cali Jul 2013 #11

Yes, but ProSense Jul 2013 #13

damn I agree with ProSense :) nt friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #9

This is a recent law made in 2011... Otherwise, I probably would have had to leave Turkey in 1971.. cascadiance Jul 2013 #21

I find that I cannot get upset about this coup cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #6

and the massacre this morning by the military? cali Jul 2013 #7

and the massacre yesterday of teenagers thrown off rooftops friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #10

not the same thing. A horrible crime but not one done by the government. cali Jul 2013 #12

committed by henchman OF the former government. nt friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #14

and what part of that makes them part of any government? cali Jul 2013 #15

oh ffs... friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #18

I don't know yet. who the fuck says that Egyptians are going to get another chance at good gov't? cali Jul 2013 #23

I believe that the military needs to keep order friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #26

Fair enough. I disagree. I think that's the authoritarian pov cali Jul 2013 #28

let me clarify Cali. friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #29

That would be the best outcome. I have grave doubts about its likelihood cali Jul 2013 #31

Thats the equivalent dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #16

Also bad Scootaloo Jul 2013 #17

at prayer? friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #20

When it comes to the military firing on civilians... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #22

MSNBC's analyst on the ground referred a few days ago to a difference in the military's patrice Jul 2013 #32

When the military has been in charge all along. MineralMan Jul 2013 #19

Morsi was democratically elected , then turned around and made himself a dictator. octoberlib Jul 2013 #24

Oh please. You think there's a lot of support for the military after this morning cali Jul 2013 #25

The people may not support the military now but they also octoberlib Jul 2013 #33

Where did you go to college? A coup is a coup. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #40

Yes, it is still a coup whether it's military octoberlib Jul 2013 #41

Does the need to figure out who killed these people today create any perspective at all on the patrice Jul 2013 #27

The White House said..."We are going to take the time necessary to review" Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #30

Pat Leahy chair of the sub committe that governs this aid cali Jul 2013 #34

And I'm sure Patrick Leahy's input will be taken into consideration Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #36

Isn't the Speaker of the House the 3rd in line? n/t dgibby Jul 2013 #38

no. it's vp, speaker then president pro tempore of the senate. cali Jul 2013 #42

Yep....its about money..and semantics..if they call it a military coup...US law says we stop funding Gin Jul 2013 #35

Obviously its a military coup. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #37

Juan Cole called it a "revocouption". With millions in the street it was not your typical coup but pampango Jul 2013 #39

Don't be surprised if Jay Carney comes out tomorrow and says the administration has it cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #43