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NoOneMan

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18. The problem is that Snowden may be a narcissist with ulterior motives who is not championing reform

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:50 PM

Jul 2013

It is possible for someone to do something out of malice, spite, selfishness and/or narcissism that is still "good" and perceived as "heroic". That doesn't mean they are a selfless, altruistic, benevolent hero.

In any case, it doesn't really matter what Snowden is. To some he is a hero, and to others a villian. As long as we are obsessed with that point, we aren't really going to have the focus--as proven--to talk about the real concerning issue: NSA spying on citizens.

Snowden is most certainly a distraction, partially by his own making. Its easier to leave him at the door if we hope to have a serious debate about the issues. I don't think that makes me a 'privacy moderate', as I am quite extreme about my views on privacy.

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The Problem With the 'Privacy Moderates' [View all] xchrom Jul 2013 OP

Excellent article LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #1

Always attacking people, not the issue treestar Jul 2013 #2

It's plain ridiculous vdogg Jul 2013 #28

I think it has more to do with "Pre emptive Strike" strategy. dtom67 Jul 2013 #3

That's because of idiotic phrases like this. randome Jul 2013 #5

another example of the " pre emptive strike " doctrine... dtom67 Jul 2013 #7

That's the point: there is NO EVIDENCE of ILLEGAL SPYING. Amonester Jul 2013 #31

Privacy moderates are pro security state and anti the 4th amendment as understood byeya Jul 2013 #4

As long as he has another group of people to malign. nt longship Jul 2013 #6

k/r marmar Jul 2013 #8

In other words, if you disagree with the Snowden cultists you suck no matter what. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9

It's more the starting point than any sort of purist attitude Android3.14 Jul 2013 #11

Might as well ask if I stopped beating my wife. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13

How about we use the Oxford English definition Android3.14 Jul 2013 #15

Is possession of or access to this information enough to be considered spying? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16

Still ignoring the essential question Android3.14 Jul 2013 #17

Obviously, having the government create files on people and examine their geek tragedy Jul 2013 #21

Now we are getting somewhere Android3.14 Jul 2013 #22

Point 2 does not represent my thinking. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #23

Then why did you state Android3.14 Jul 2013 #30

That is a starting point. It does not follow that everything else is ok. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #32

Are we still trying to agree on terms? Android3.14 Jul 2013 #34

I guess I don't see a great deal of difference between geek tragedy Jul 2013 #36

Rumor? Android3.14 Jul 2013 #37

recording content or recording metadata? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38

Not rumor Android3.14 Jul 2013 #39

That story has been thoroughly debunked. It's false. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #40

Sorry, but no Android3.14 Jul 2013 #43

Without public oversight or permission, no. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #44

Thank you Android3.14 Jul 2013 #45

Likewise. I think there is probably more agreement than geek tragedy Jul 2013 #46

Logic and facts do not matter... kentuck Jul 2013 #10

...yeap, don't trust the government with medical records either uponit7771 Jul 2013 #12

This is a newer tact that seems to be trotted out by some. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #14

Unless having a heart murmur has a high correlation to domestic terrorism NoOneMan Jul 2013 #20

Sure, don't. NoOneMan Jul 2013 #19

They'll know if you've been treated for addiction. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #24

Depends on how you want to structure your claims department NoOneMan Jul 2013 #25

But why would we expect our totalitarian government to JoePhilly Jul 2013 #26

You can't if you don't demand accountability and privacy NoOneMan Jul 2013 #27

Perhaps not. sibelian Jul 2013 #42

The problem is that Snowden may be a narcissist with ulterior motives who is not championing reform NoOneMan Jul 2013 #18

K&R for attracting the tragically handicapped. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #29

+ + Snowden attracts the slugs doesn't he? byeya Jul 2013 #41

An excellent article! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #33

an excellent article for a reality based assessment of the situation Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #35

The problem with the NSA Agitators is� they don't talk about the NSA in any relevant way. Nothing KittyWampus Jul 2013 #47