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Voice for Peace

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353. Nobody knows what went on that night, regardless of their law enforcement or legal credentials.

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:53 PM

Jul 2013

You are guessing just as all of us are guessing.

There is no value in demeaning others' opinions
unless they are directed unkindly at you personally.

It doesn't uplift or educate anybody, or help
people see your point of view.

Even if you have that experience, doesn't make you
an authority on this case, any more than myself.

People here are engaged in trying to understand
what happened.

Often people without the baggage of being experts
can see things more clearly than those who are
firmly locked in their I know how it is box.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 10, Monday, July 8, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

I am not sure what more evidence or witnesses the defense can bring in? itsrobert Jul 2013 #1

I'm assuming that they'll try to bring on some medical expert.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #3

Certainly they have their own medical expert customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #354

Defense expects to conclude their case Wednesday pintobean Jul 2013 #2

Sandra Osterman called. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #4

calls him "Georgie" chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #6

Old Georgie? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #203

Wife of Zimmerman's best friend itsrobert Jul 2013 #5

What can she offer that's relevant? Shrek Jul 2013 #8

more lying HipChick Jul 2013 #10

But she said she wouldn't lie chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #12

and I guess we are supposed to believe it... HipChick Jul 2013 #13

She says she hears "Georgie" screams itsrobert Jul 2013 #11

I don't see the point of bringing in some of these witnesses, including the mothers razorman Jul 2013 #192

sometimes by not doing it qazplm Jul 2013 #202

Sounds reasonable. But, any jury would not put much weight on such testimony. razorman Jul 2013 #330

My feed is freezing like crazy today. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #7

Seriously, does anyone have an alternate feed? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #17

Google Trayvon Martin live feed and madaboutharry Jul 2013 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #43

Testimony from a best friend is not going madaboutharry Jul 2013 #9

Agree. Just Saying Jul 2013 #24

CNN expert thinks this is helping the defense itsrobert Jul 2013 #40

Testimony from a mother is different? Pelican Jul 2013 #158

Unfortunately, there's a slew of them who've come and all vouched for the same thing. calimary Jul 2013 #221

We are putting money from the book sales in our savings account to give to George chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #14

why aren't they giving it to him now? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #30

This witness wrote a book defending him. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #15

those 'tears' sure dried up quickly HipChick Jul 2013 #16

I can't believe the jury will give any credibility to this first defense witness. Jim__ Jul 2013 #18

and she just said "I felt I knew it was him"...she's a waste of time chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #20

This is not going to assist the defense. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #21

Seems like she has selective hearing loss itsrobert Jul 2013 #23

Exactly! Just Saying Jul 2013 #25

She is so full of sh*t! nt avebury Jul 2013 #22

It's funny to me that experts aren't allowed to testify as to whose voice chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #26

I thought they did, but Duckwraps Jul 2013 #41

There were two audio experts the prosecution wanted to put on csziggy Jul 2013 #88

And the fact that just about every expert voice analyst premium Jul 2013 #92

Florida used to use the Frye standard - not any more whopis01 Jul 2013 #211

Ah - I knew there was a Frye hearing for this case - didn't know it changed csziggy Jul 2013 #216

FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO WATCH BUT CAN'T WATCH LIVE... TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #27

Thanks TWT JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #33

Thank you! 1monster Jul 2013 #61

Very handy and you can skip the sidebars etc by scrubbing through and KurtNYC Jul 2013 #196

I've watched all of the trial there TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #265

Zimmerman's BFF Mark Osterman being called back to the stand. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #28

I would love to know how much Osterman avebury Jul 2013 #29

He's the one that told him to get a gun TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #34

Cell phone records could prove what number he called. avebury Jul 2013 #38

Pretty sure he is a Federal Air Marshal Lurks Often Jul 2013 #66

He is a Federal Air Marshal premium Jul 2013 #80

That's not accurate. I have clients that were Marshals and moved to grantcart Jul 2013 #355

We're probably both right Lurks Often Jul 2013 #358

agreed grantcart Jul 2013 #359

Everyhting Osterman says about law enforcement and safety makes sense but chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #31

That's what I don't get Just Saying Jul 2013 #35

Osterman reminds me of someone riverwalker Jul 2013 #32

his facial expressions are so creepy looking TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #46

He sure is sweating a lot. targetpractice Jul 2013 #50

Neither have I TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #58

He sure is sweating a lot. yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #113

hyper animated riverwalker Jul 2013 #55

Personally, all the Ostermam blah blah blah about this gun and that gun and right gun and Ninga Jul 2013 #36

It creeped me out Just Saying Jul 2013 #44

But odds are there is at least one gun "nut" on the jury itsrobert Jul 2013 #48

Possible Just Saying Jul 2013 #87

yeap, now he's not trying to answer the threat question... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #51

This doesn't add up.. HipChick Jul 2013 #52

A inside the waist band (IWB) holster has the gun's grip above the top edge of the pants Lurks Often Jul 2013 #71

Zimmerman insisted that his gun was not visible yardwork Jul 2013 #121

I also mentioned a covering garment. Lurks Often Jul 2013 #126

No evidence that Martin ever touched the gun yardwork Jul 2013 #129

Which has absolutely nothing to do with my posts Lurks Often Jul 2013 #187

While simultaneously holding Just Saying Jul 2013 #90

That's what I kept asking. louis-t Jul 2013 #176

Last round of questions by Bernie were directed to clearly Ninga Jul 2013 #60

"It sounds like George" I'm shocked he said that chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #37

Have Trayvon's parents testified as to whether the screams sound like Trayvon? Jim__ Jul 2013 #39

Sadly, His Mom has... Ninga Jul 2013 #42

Thanks. True that it's sad; but, at least the jury has heard testimony that counters this bullshit Jim__ Jul 2013 #47

His mother and brother itsrobert Jul 2013 #45

His mom and older brother did TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #49

To my ears cpwm17 Jul 2013 #54

Wow and the FBI cannot tell at all itsrobert Jul 2013 #59

Voice recognition is a subjective experience cpwm17 Jul 2013 #68

And you are denying reality if Humans don't see or hear things differently itsrobert Jul 2013 #76

Good example customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #361

Zimmerman has an accent? Just Saying Jul 2013 #93

I've heard him speak several times premium Jul 2013 #98

To my ears he has a very subtle accent cpwm17 Jul 2013 #101

Here's some audio of Trayvon's voice Just Saying Jul 2013 #125

That link didn't work on my computer, but I found it at Huffington Post cpwm17 Jul 2013 #148

Sorry it didn't work for you. Just Saying Jul 2013 #343

On the 911 call he made he seemed to have a slight Southern drawl. JVS Jul 2013 #365

That's true cpwm17 Jul 2013 #368

How do you hear an 'accent' in screaming? louis-t Jul 2013 #181

Zimmerman says he's white, not Hispanic. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #200

To my ears Lisa D Jul 2013 #337

Fair enough cpwm17 Jul 2013 #348

No bias in this thread at all. premium Jul 2013 #53

You seem upset itsrobert Jul 2013 #56

Upset? premium Jul 2013 #63

You mean like my 26 years as a police officer? itsrobert Jul 2013 #64

I'll see your 26 years as a LEO premium Jul 2013 #67

But you just said I have none itsrobert Jul 2013 #69

I never said you specifically, did I? premium Jul 2013 #74

We're discussing the case as we see it. Just Saying Jul 2013 #97

And neither does calling witness' liars premium Jul 2013 #103

They are discussing how they feel about the credibility of the witnesses. Just Saying Jul 2013 #109

True. premium Jul 2013 #114

You were perfectly clear. nt. Mariana Jul 2013 #99

When one makes broad statements about an entire thread. Just Saying Jul 2013 #106

Thank you itsrobert Jul 2013 #116

Thank you. nt. premium Jul 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jul 2013 #120

How the hell do you know where Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #140

Educated guess judging by most of the comments, premium Jul 2013 #150

Premium didn't say anything like that. Mariana Jul 2013 #96

Define the word "all" please itsrobert Jul 2013 #105

"all these "experts" here..." Mariana Jul 2013 #128

But I don't know their experiences itsrobert Jul 2013 #134

I'll clarify one more time, premium Jul 2013 #151

Excellent itsrobert Jul 2013 #154

You have a good day also. premium Jul 2013 #156

Just keep keeping it real like you do. Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #205

Nobody knows what went on that night, regardless of their law enforcement or legal credentials. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #353

jury was bored during both Ostermans riverwalker Jul 2013 #70

We're not on the jury, People who chase others needlesly with a gun LOSE the benefit of the doubt uponit7771 Jul 2013 #79

Maybe with you, premium Jul 2013 #85

I keep thinking that the all female jury - after listen to today's gun lecture by the defense Ninga Jul 2013 #91

How do you know these women aren't gun owners? premium Jul 2013 #95

I would imagine its possible for all of them to be....and highly responsible gun owners as well... Ninga Jul 2013 #104

Could go the other way also premium Jul 2013 #110

Of course. I just think responsible gun owners do not walk around like Zimmerman. Ninga Jul 2013 #122

The more this witness keeps trying to minimize Zimmerman's tone and swearing Ninga Jul 2013 #139

I agree that time will of course tell, but people like to discuss big cases. Maybe you don't. So? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #167

I don't mind discussing them, premium Jul 2013 #178

these gun nuts scare the hell outta me NatBurner Jul 2013 #57

I say, keep playing the screening, keeps sounding younger and younger each time I hear... Ninga Jul 2013 #62

I thought the same thing! Just Saying Jul 2013 #112

Love your screen name cause you really are Just Saying (too!) Ninga Jul 2013 #124

I don't see how parading his friends out to claim that it is him screaming madaboutharry Jul 2013 #65

If I were on the Jury I would be wondering avebury Jul 2013 #73

In a normal prosecution, they wouldn't actually have to present actual evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #82

+1, especially his "close" friends uponit7771 Jul 2013 #83

The last thing the prosecution put on customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #356

Uh oh, she is being hostile. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #72

O Mara setting up to call Tracy Martin who said that it didn't sound like Trayvon. Ninga Jul 2013 #75

Calling Tracy Martin would be a mistake for the defense. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #78

If Tracy is able to articulate the shock - same as the brother did - maybe... Ninga Jul 2013 #86

Rousseau thinks that Zimmerman was out on avebury Jul 2013 #77

what is fmla leave? chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #84

Family Medical and Leave Act? itsrobert Jul 2013 #89

Family Medical LeaveAct avebury Jul 2013 #94

Who Zimmermans age would scream so wildly like that!? That doesn't sound like a scream from a 30yr.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #81

Yes, especially while having to think about what to do...screaming for your life and thinking could Ninga Jul 2013 #119

While holding the loaded gun. yardwork Jul 2013 #138

Just how many "friends" are the Zimmerman avebury Jul 2013 #100

my thought exactly riverwalker Jul 2013 #123

She gave him money and bought him clothes and food, madaboutharry Jul 2013 #102

Does anyone know where you can find the avebury Jul 2013 #108

There have been comments here with this live feed: Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #115

You might try searching Just Saying Jul 2013 #118

this guy is in court riverwalker Jul 2013 #127

Someone here pointed out that anyone who screamed like that would likely hedgehog Jul 2013 #111

he did the walk through the next morning riverwalker Jul 2013 #137

Freudian slip? avebury Jul 2013 #117

Amazing how resistant these friends of George Zimmerman all seem madaboutharry Jul 2013 #130

It benefits the PA to play these words of Zimmerman uponit7771 Jul 2013 #131

How on earth can these witnesses possibly avebury Jul 2013 #132

Keep Playing the tape Bernie! Zimmy's friends are not sound too confident... Ninga Jul 2013 #133

That is exactly what I just was thinking! nt avebury Jul 2013 #135

What strikes me most is the complete disconnect these witnesses have Marrah_G Jul 2013 #136

Keeping digging a hole...I can almost hear the jury think "really"? Matter of fact? Ninga Jul 2013 #144

They're bigots. A black kid was murdered. They don't care. There's little value in the humanity of a Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #227

Does'nt the defense have anything but liars to put on the stand today? HipChick Jul 2013 #141

Witness: Calling someone an "asshole" is not ill will itsrobert Jul 2013 #142

Zimmerman in response to hearing 911 scream for 1st time - "...That doesn't even sound like me..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #143

and the screaming ends when the guns is fired KurtNYC Jul 2013 #198

I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #250

"doesn't even sound like me" is consistent with many people's reactions to hearing their own voices. JVS Jul 2013 #367

Not in that context uponit7771 Jul 2013 #369

says it was "wind" not running riverwalker Jul 2013 #145

I heard the winds were real light itsrobert Jul 2013 #146

Here: madaboutharry Jul 2013 #147

IF the defence cannot come up with anything but avebury Jul 2013 #149

Especially friends with check books that testify that he heard from his attorney clients Ninga Jul 2013 #152

John Donelly, physician's assistant (PA), husband of Leeann Benjamin, up now. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #153

Talking about what a day in the life of a combat medic has what to do with this case? Marrah_G Jul 2013 #155

Establish Donnelly's experience. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #163

Is he trying to say that George was in combat? all american girl Jul 2013 #159

I think he's trying to backdoor this guy as an expert on screaming and voice recognition. Jim__ Jul 2013 #161

I think that is where he is headed. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #166

I don't understand "Georgie's" friends all american girl Jul 2013 #157

Does anyone know if there is anyone that is tweeting avebury Jul 2013 #160

If I were on this jury, after being sequestered for two days, I would be squirming and even Ninga Jul 2013 #165

I found @bobkealing on twitter and avebury Jul 2013 #172

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Donally testify's that he never discussed the tape with his wife Ninga Jul 2013 #173

lemme get this straight riverwalker Jul 2013 #162

Has Zimmerman been mentally evaluated? itsrobert Jul 2013 #168

This guy deserves an academy award for his acting. Saturday Jul 2013 #171

Wiping the tear from his eye may have been over the top. Jim__ Jul 2013 #174

You've never seen a combat vet tear up over old memories? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #351

None of his friends "listened" closely to the tape because they didn't want to. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #164

They tried to not watch/listen to things on purpose itsrobert Jul 2013 #177

seems like every witness was coached to say that. bettyellen Jul 2013 #201

He listened to the tape two days ago! bravenak Jul 2013 #169

Right! Was he scheduled to testify prior to Saturday? Jim__ Jul 2013 #170

I'm not believing this guy. bravenak Jul 2013 #189

Well he slipped up and said he had heard "parts" of the tape prior...And he and his wife didn't Ninga Jul 2013 #179

Right! bravenak Jul 2013 #186

....says the jury full of women...... :) Ninga Jul 2013 #188

Is the defense filibustering the trial with this crap?! What point are they making?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #175

"Trying to give them information" madaboutharry Jul 2013 #180

They're making the point that Georgie has lots of odd friends... Saturday Jul 2013 #190

lol... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #193

Well, according to expert witness Ashley Banfield on CNN: Myrina Jul 2013 #210

From @bobkealing: avebury Jul 2013 #182

Thx Ninga Jul 2013 #185

He bought all the fancy suits for Zimmerman Generic Other Jul 2013 #183

Meltdown by the dee-fence yardwork Jul 2013 #191

God...Vietnam is part of this trial... Gin Jul 2013 #184

....... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #194

I was thinking the same thing JVS Jul 2013 #366

Saw this tweet Shrek Jul 2013 #195

I didn't find him to be a very effective witness. avebury Jul 2013 #199

You've heard of "guilt by association"? customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #362

Thanks for doing this for those of us who can't bear to watch it myself. patrice Jul 2013 #197

Apparently, the defense wants to show the jury cartoons: Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #204

Are they serious! avebury Jul 2013 #206

PDF of the motion here riverwalker Jul 2013 #207

good lawd, surprised Pixar not involved too riverwalker Jul 2013 #208

They could do a movie and Travyon itsrobert Jul 2013 #240

Good grief uppityperson Jul 2013 #283

A reenactment is something Zimmerman JimDandy Jul 2013 #214

It does look like they are setting it up to call avebury Jul 2013 #209

I don't think that is where they are headed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #212

It could set up the Prosecution to put Trayvon's Dad on the stand. avebury Jul 2013 #218

Surprised they used Serino to get in Martin's words Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #224

What is a "rebuttal case"? Thx in advance and for your expertise uponit7771 Jul 2013 #231

After the defense rests, the prosecution can present additional witnesses.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #237

Don't tell me they are looking to call Tracy Martin (Trayvon's dad), are they? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #213

Devastating to the prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #215

And Zimmerman said the voice didn't sound like him. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #217

A draw doesn't help the prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #222

Prosecution helped bring out the context in cross. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #226

If the prosecution called Tracy Martin customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #357

But LESS devastating than GZ saying "that doesn't sound like me" when confronted with the screams?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #228

Right, so how does any of this help the prosecution? LittleBlue Jul 2013 #239

Zimmerman should know FIRST HAND it was him screaming for help not TM's dad....Zimmerman is the one uponit7771 Jul 2013 #246

Since he says he screamed for help, help, help, I think Zman royally screwed up. Hoyt Jul 2013 #263

Zimmerman upon hearing the screams for help - ",....that doesn't even sound like me..." uponit7771 Jul 2013 #219

I don't necessarily look at it that way. avebury Jul 2013 #220

right because Serino is NOT ..NOT being so definative about Tracy saying NO to his questions vs... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #229

Does anyone ELSE have a bad feeling about Serino?! Why is he being so direct in the defenses favor?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #223

Serino is the one who recommended a manslaughter charge against Zimmerman. woolldog Jul 2013 #230

...my understanding is later he said he was pressured by the black LEOs in his PD uponit7771 Jul 2013 #232

interesting.... woolldog Jul 2013 #245

Google key words "Serino pressured to press charges" link inside uponit7771 Jul 2013 #252

Thanks. nt woolldog Jul 2013 #258

do they?? that sounds a little corrupt to me... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #262

Because it's collusion. The police fucked up and now need Zimmerman to cover their own mistakes. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #233

+1, they drug tested the dead person but NOT the shooter, that goes towards their whole mind uponit7771 Jul 2013 #238

Martin's father didn't have Crump there to advise him I would guess. Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #264

The bald headed prosecutor, woolldog Jul 2013 #225

"...doesn't even suonds like me ...", Serino was NOT definative about that HURTING Z but Martins wor uponit7771 Jul 2013 #234

Serino " ... it was someone just hearing their own voice...", doesn't accept that to be a denial !?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #236

It is really hard to believe that Serino was a Detective at the time. avebury Jul 2013 #241

Yeap, and a comment like what Z said would've been jumped on later. The context was around ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #244

PUT HIS HEAD DOWN AND WAS CRYING DURING ANSWER!? They guy was distraught!? They didn't ask uponit7771 Jul 2013 #242

BOTH detectives are VERY definitive in favor of the defense! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #243

Methinks it's guilt. Guilt that he has to lie for Zimmerman. Guilt that an unarmed black kid is dead Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #268

I think the poster is referring to Tracy Martin. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #269

Thanks. I hope so. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #306

It is appalling that the Detectives are so willing to cut avebury Jul 2013 #247

AMEN!! Also, according to Serino Z was responding to his "smothering" Claim being challenged at the uponit7771 Jul 2013 #249

Obviously they had no bias itsrobert Jul 2013 #251

First this gym guy goes "Mm-hmm," then he says "Absolutely." YES or NO, Nitwit. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #248

I can't listen to this def. lawyer. I can't figure out what this gym guy is intended to prove. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #253

I guess it's that he was a crappy teacher and/or Zimmerman was a crappy student? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #257

To me, Zimmerman trained to beat the hell out of someone, or shoot them if that wasn't working for Hoyt Jul 2013 #287

Not sure where the defense is going here. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #254

Front loading like the PA did? I think they'er trying to frame the MMA training because to me it ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #256

The defense is heading towards showing that Z was still a fat slob. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #259

lol, When i saw Z's enactment he looked pretty fit to me...didn't look like he was all over the plac uponit7771 Jul 2013 #261

why would they do that? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #281

According to Zimmermans FP Zimmerman trained MMA 3 times a week!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #255

I didn't know Zimmerman's MMA trainer was Paul Ryan itsrobert Jul 2013 #266

oh boy, stuck in a doctors waiting room and reading this is making me sick. My blood pressure will Ninga Jul 2013 #260

A YEAR OF MMA TRAINING?! He got beat up after a YEAR of MMA and BOXING training?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #267

OK what on earth was Zimmerman doing 3 hours a day avebury Jul 2013 #270

I call BS.....this guy is comparing zimmerman to a person who has been well trained for years. all american girl Jul 2013 #296

I know right? Marrah_G Jul 2013 #273

so your son was out of shape and didnt know anything about MMA and learned it all in a year HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #289

That's not even close to what I said. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #297

so you would put anyone in that workout and expect a certain result? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #299

I've seen even those not in great shape learn basic skills in less time Marrah_G Jul 2013 #308

would you say that losing 90lbs in about a year is good? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #313

+1 on the basics...especially training 3 days a week 2 - 3 hours a day!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #340

Almost a year Z was IN SHAPE and knew more than Trayvon Martin did! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #339

Hopefully, 10 months of MMA and LITTLE to NO progress!?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #338

How on earth can a person work out 3 hours a day, 3 days a week for a year avebury Jul 2013 #271

bad eating habits. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #272

From the photos it appears his real eating problems occured after the charges were filed. Incitatus Jul 2013 #363

According to the trainer... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #275

1 is 100% better than no training at all uponit7771 Jul 2013 #277

According to Mr. cocky trainer. Saturday Jul 2013 #291

Please show where the trainer said that. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #294

Sounds like Z got into good shape but his training is saying he sucked at training uponit7771 Jul 2013 #279

So today we've heard from Zimmerman's sugar daddy and the world's worst MMA trainer ever. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #274

No. They are setting up that TM would be able to knock Z down. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #276

+1, yes...1 year of MMA trainging...3 hours a week and Z was still a 1?! Yeap, he's stank uponit7771 Jul 2013 #278

if a 1 is bad for a year of training, what should his number be after a year of training? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #280

depends on how dedicated the person, 1 is still 100% better than 0..tm had zero training uponit7771 Jul 2013 #282

even with a lot of dedication, results take time. Doesn't just happen over night. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #285

Just like love. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #286

And he does not encourage for people to work out at home by themselves itsrobert Jul 2013 #284

Zimmerman sure picked the wrong gym. avebury Jul 2013 #288

+1, I don't believe for a SECOND this guy let him go .5 in a year. Either way it's better than the.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #292

Have you ever wrestled with your friends? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #301

do you think his metabolism may play a factor in this? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #293

300 hours Nevernose Jul 2013 #316

1 year of MMA trainng and boxing > zero, don't beieve for a SECOND now Z was beat up by 150lb uponit7771 Jul 2013 #290

well it wasn't a full year, he did take a couple months off.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #295

Yes, TRAINED people...Trayvon was not trained for 10 months and 2-3 days a week... TM was a skinny uponit7771 Jul 2013 #298

I never said I saw a TRAINED smaller person take down a TRAINED bigger person... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #300

True, I have too... I coachd for a while...the kid who trained 95% of time had the advantage over... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #303

5%.. so you're saying there's a chance(Jim Carrey reference) HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #307

Of course, there's always a chance of something. Not PROBABLE but anything is possible. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #310

TM was 158 lbs and a 10th grader. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #312

My understanding was his grades were good, he got suspended for stuff like graffiti and being late uponit7771 Jul 2013 #314

A 3.75 GPA is not doing well in school?! You only need a 3.5 to be Dean's List. 1monster Jul 2013 #349

No, he went from Oct to around Nov time frame, and then took off for a couple of months. all american girl Jul 2013 #302

True, he trained around 10months before he killed Trayvon with a gun uponit7771 Jul 2013 #305

I see what you did there. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #317

Will the jury believe the trainer? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #304

They can't, if Z was knocked down where he said he was sucker punched there's no way TM ended uponit7771 Jul 2013 #309

That is an entirely different question. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #315

The prosecutor should have ended his avebury Jul 2013 #318

The defense would have loved it. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #322

If it is the position of Zimmerman's defense team avebury Jul 2013 #324

good point... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #331

refresh my memory. which of the two had priors for assault? frylock Jul 2013 #347

Irrelevant to the question asked. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #350

They would only be raised customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #360

wow. 90lbs in almost a year isnt too bad.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #311

Wow. The defense gone and done it. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #319

I don't get this. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #321

Isn't it good that Tracy Martin gets to say that he didn't say no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #325

What I mean is that I don't get the defense calling him. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #327

oh ok. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #329

I am very surprised about it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #333

I cannot believe Omara has the gall! nt avebury Jul 2013 #320

Why are you surprised? He went after Sybrina and didn't even blink an eye! SICK FUCK!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #334

I think it ended up working for the Prosecution avebury Jul 2013 #335

That is his job. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #352

Of course that's his job. I'm not disputing that. He's still a sick fuck! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #364

WTF is this about?! Tracy NEVER EVER said he said that was NOT TM's voice uponit7771 Jul 2013 #323

Tracy is holding up very well. avebury Jul 2013 #326

True, I'm REALLY REALLY not liking Serino at this point. Do you know if he was demoted?! Don't under uponit7771 Jul 2013 #328

Who is hear is thinking that Omara was sitting there avebury Jul 2013 #332

Maybe defense attorney is tired of the smug, lying, murdering, sack of dung. Hoyt Jul 2013 #345

I don't see that the defense accomplished anything calling Mr. Martin. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #336

Maybe not Lurks Often Jul 2013 #344

WOULD YOU START A NEW THREAD AS THIS ONE IS TOO LONG TO DOWNLOAD? uppityperson Jul 2013 #341

agree madaboutharry Jul 2013 #342

Omara needs to remember that Zimmerman IS NOT a avebury Jul 2013 #346