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NoOneMan

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27. You can't if you don't demand accountability and privacy

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:36 PM

Jul 2013

So yeah, you're fucked if the totalitarian state is already set up. In the case that you want to argue the government has you by the balls, then I agree that any expansion of government results in ubiquitous ball-grabbing. And if thats really the case, we are already enemies of the state and its too late to do shit about it and we would be best getting off the grid immediately, not registering to vote, and never participating in the system again.

Another alternative is that the totalitarian state is simply being born and strengthening, and you either fight like hell now, bend over and accept it, or get ready to get out of dodge. Take your pick.

A lot of people making arguments about this are assuming that we don't have to bitch until the governments become a totalitarian state, not realizing that when that occurs there is no point in complaining at all. Anyone who is complaining now is doing so with hope that the worse can be avoided before this growing apparatus can be exploited in the worst possible ways.

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The Problem With the 'Privacy Moderates' [View all] xchrom Jul 2013 OP

Excellent article LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #1

Always attacking people, not the issue treestar Jul 2013 #2

It's plain ridiculous vdogg Jul 2013 #28

I think it has more to do with "Pre emptive Strike" strategy. dtom67 Jul 2013 #3

That's because of idiotic phrases like this. randome Jul 2013 #5

another example of the " pre emptive strike " doctrine... dtom67 Jul 2013 #7

That's the point: there is NO EVIDENCE of ILLEGAL SPYING. Amonester Jul 2013 #31

Privacy moderates are pro security state and anti the 4th amendment as understood byeya Jul 2013 #4

As long as he has another group of people to malign. nt longship Jul 2013 #6

k/r marmar Jul 2013 #8

In other words, if you disagree with the Snowden cultists you suck no matter what. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9

It's more the starting point than any sort of purist attitude Android3.14 Jul 2013 #11

Might as well ask if I stopped beating my wife. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13

How about we use the Oxford English definition Android3.14 Jul 2013 #15

Is possession of or access to this information enough to be considered spying? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16

Still ignoring the essential question Android3.14 Jul 2013 #17

Obviously, having the government create files on people and examine their geek tragedy Jul 2013 #21

Now we are getting somewhere Android3.14 Jul 2013 #22

Point 2 does not represent my thinking. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #23

Then why did you state Android3.14 Jul 2013 #30

That is a starting point. It does not follow that everything else is ok. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #32

Are we still trying to agree on terms? Android3.14 Jul 2013 #34

I guess I don't see a great deal of difference between geek tragedy Jul 2013 #36

Rumor? Android3.14 Jul 2013 #37

recording content or recording metadata? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38

Not rumor Android3.14 Jul 2013 #39

That story has been thoroughly debunked. It's false. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #40

Sorry, but no Android3.14 Jul 2013 #43

Without public oversight or permission, no. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #44

Thank you Android3.14 Jul 2013 #45

Likewise. I think there is probably more agreement than geek tragedy Jul 2013 #46

Logic and facts do not matter... kentuck Jul 2013 #10

...yeap, don't trust the government with medical records either uponit7771 Jul 2013 #12

This is a newer tact that seems to be trotted out by some. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #14

Unless having a heart murmur has a high correlation to domestic terrorism NoOneMan Jul 2013 #20

Sure, don't. NoOneMan Jul 2013 #19

They'll know if you've been treated for addiction. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #24

Depends on how you want to structure your claims department NoOneMan Jul 2013 #25

But why would we expect our totalitarian government to JoePhilly Jul 2013 #26

You can't if you don't demand accountability and privacy NoOneMan Jul 2013 #27

Perhaps not. sibelian Jul 2013 #42

The problem is that Snowden may be a narcissist with ulterior motives who is not championing reform NoOneMan Jul 2013 #18

K&R for attracting the tragically handicapped. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #29

+ + Snowden attracts the slugs doesn't he? byeya Jul 2013 #41

An excellent article! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #33

an excellent article for a reality based assessment of the situation Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #35

The problem with the NSA Agitators is� they don't talk about the NSA in any relevant way. Nothing KittyWampus Jul 2013 #47