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Honeycombe8

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86. Premium is just telling you factual things, not giving opinion.

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:08 PM

Jul 2013

It's illogical to get upset for telling you how the system works. I see what he's saying. He's saying that cops in that state, as well as in other states, cannot forcibly test you for drugs unless there's probable cause FOR USING DRUGS. I don't think Ted Bundy was tested for drugs, either, so maybe that'll help you tell the difference between crimes.

The cops have to have reason to believe someone is on drugs or drunk..unable to stand, slurring speech, etc. Having reason to believe the person committed some other crime is a totally DIFFERENT set of signs.

It's the reason you don't get tested for drunk driving or drugs when you are stopped for a traffic ticket...unless you do something that gives the cops probable cause to think you've been drinking or using drugs.

It's the rights of the private citizen that is the basis of those laws. No reason to get upset at someone who's just telling you what the law is.

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Judge: Trayvon Martin�s Pot Use Can Be Included In Trial [View all] CatWoman Jul 2013 OP

How abhorrent is this, given they didn't even drug/alcohol test Zimmerman, his killer? hlthe2b Jul 2013 #1

They didn't have probable cause for a warrant premium Jul 2013 #3

underscores the insanity of Florida laws (as though we didn't already know that) and the hlthe2b Jul 2013 #4

This isn't just FL premium Jul 2013 #10

Had the racist cops not covered for him that night, there was probable cause to arrest him hlthe2b Jul 2013 #11

I'm sorry, but that's just not true, premium Jul 2013 #19

An unxlained fatal shooting of an unarmed teen by someone arguing that he was attacked... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #21

So right, hlthe2b. tblue Jul 2013 #53

I'm not defending Zimmerman premium Jul 2013 #56

I appreciate that customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #85

I greatly appreciate that. premium Jul 2013 #89

You do a service to us all customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #96

Yep, premium Jul 2013 #98

Agreed gopiscrap Jul 2013 #59

If they had probable cause, they could probably take it as an exegency because by the time you'd get RBInMaine Jul 2013 #76

Actually, what they would do is get a telephonic warrant, premium Jul 2013 #81

Interesting. Doesn't happen like that in all states. Need a written warrant. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #186

so you think it is normal for someone to stalk and kill someone for no reason? Skittles Jul 2013 #94

Where the hell did you come up with that? premium Jul 2013 #100

Zimmerman's actions that night were NOT NORMAL Skittles Jul 2013 #105

Whether or not his actions were normal premium Jul 2013 #108

they didn't express concerns because they FAILED to see him as what he was Skittles Jul 2013 #145

Oh yeah, they failed the investigation big time, premium Jul 2013 #148

they should have seen he was involved in an assault in a bar, among others.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #152

Every person I know who uses weed isn't the sort of person who would pounce on a "poor, innocent MADem Jul 2013 #51

Yup that's been my experiencewith pot also gopiscrap Jul 2013 #60

We were posting about this a few days ago. I agree with you. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #82

I remember that, premium Jul 2013 #84

I'm going to assume that these are moms customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #88

Could be. But maybe not. I'm a conservative looking mature woman.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #101

I predict that before the defense is done customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #114

I am hoping there are a few moms who did a little herb themselves in high school and college. nt MADem Jul 2013 #154

I agree, but in allowing it in, it will give the defense license to hlthe2b Jul 2013 #103

I agree, it shouldn't have been allowed in, premium Jul 2013 #107

Shooting an unarmed kid isn't probably cause? nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #8

No. premium Jul 2013 #14

Again, they HAD probable cause but intentionally chose to ignore their duty & COVER FOR HIM hlthe2b Jul 2013 #16

I agree that they had probable cause to arrest for the shooting premium Jul 2013 #34

Not had they bothered to fully investigate... His "full of holes" explanation for the killing hlthe2b Jul 2013 #39

I'm sorry, but that's just not true, despite what people see on Law & Order, premium Jul 2013 #41

Again, one can not make the case when they hold biases that disincentivize them from doing so. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #42

What am I defending besides the Constitution? premium Jul 2013 #45

I've read your hidden posts, so count me skeptical... but if you have changed your views good n/t hlthe2b Jul 2013 #46

You can check all my posts on the Zimmerman case, premium Jul 2013 #47

and based upon your posts rufus dog Jul 2013 #131

Then you haven't been reading my posts, premium Jul 2013 #138

read them rufus dog Jul 2013 #146

Thank you. premium Jul 2013 #149

Premium is just telling you factual things, not giving opinion. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #86

I know that is not the case... The ADA COULD have made a case for cause & gotten a warrant hlthe2b Jul 2013 #106

The DA cannot just make up a cause for a warrant for a test, premium Jul 2013 #112

The DA would not HAVE to, if there had been a proper investigation. THAT IS THE POINT... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #118

And to get that warrant, she would have to present probable cause evidence premium Jul 2013 #122

Not if a proper investigation had been conducted... THAT would have provided the CAUSE> hlthe2b Jul 2013 #135

You're amazing, premium Jul 2013 #140

I will believe someone I KNOW to be both qualified and experienced in the issue... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #144

And I'll trust my 30+ years as a FLEO. premium Jul 2013 #147

I give up. You just don't want to understand. Was his speech slurred? Did he look drunk to you? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #129

You should give up because I know better... see my post hlthe2b Jul 2013 #134

your emotion clouds your judgement. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #151

Knock it off. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #166

i think its great that you want to abdicate your rights under the fourth amendment galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #167

I abdicate no rights... Including the right not to be murdered by the gun-obsessed paranoid racists hlthe2b Jul 2013 #168

you dont have that right nor guarantee galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #169

with a name that includes "reloaded" it is not me that is fearful hlthe2b Jul 2013 #170

"reloaded" has nothing to do with guns. I have none. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #180

What is your source? Capt. MacDonald was drug-tested (not for speed, tho') in the hospital, and he WinkyDink Jul 2013 #28

My source is my extensive experience as an FLEO premium Jul 2013 #36

MacDonald? You mean the Green Beret who killed his family? That was military law, I think. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #90

Is that who he meant? premium Jul 2013 #97

I think that's who he meant. No, I didn't know that about the military. Just that.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #99

Yes, it was Army CID premium Jul 2013 #102

My only point (I'm a "she") was that in at least one other famous case a wounded person on the WinkyDink Jul 2013 #133

Ok, but the Military falls under the exclusionary rule of the 4A, premium Jul 2013 #143

He was as sober that night as when he attempted to commit wire frau LanternWaste Jul 2013 #44

"Didin't have probable cause"--only because they were too busy covering for him. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #9

This is false on it's face, the inconsistent stories and the lack of defensive wounds on his arms... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #24

No, it's not, premium Jul 2013 #38

Probable cause??? A child is dead and he admits shooting him? MH1 Jul 2013 #54

I'm sorry you don't like it, premium Jul 2013 #61

Hopefully the law will be changed. MH1 Jul 2013 #70

I think that's a reasonable compromise, although you can bet premium Jul 2013 #73

Did they ask him, do you know? Just curious. I get your point, though. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #79

Good question, any cop worth his salt would have, premium Jul 2013 #83

"since Zimmerman believed Martin was under the influence" NoOneMan Jul 2013 #2

The prosecutions own witness open the door for premium Jul 2013 #6

Which he said, may have no to little effect at the present levels NoOneMan Jul 2013 #12

Quit with legal BS. Med Examiner did not open door because jury was not present when THC mention. Hoyt Jul 2013 #31

Legal bs is the law Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #43

Couple of other things premium Jul 2013 #50

Premium, you are also not a physician. Those drugs are long acting, And underlying Hoyt Jul 2013 #62

That's irrelevant Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #68

BS. I guess Martin lying lifeless in the friggin rain trumps Zimmerman on mind altering, Hoyt Jul 2013 #72

Once again Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #75

Premium, I bet you threw the book at jay walkers. It's the law you don't shoot unarmed kids too. Hoyt Jul 2013 #78

Uh Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #87

The law says you don't shoot unarmed kids, with few exceptions. And this ain't one of the Hoyt Jul 2013 #93

What part of the police didn't have probable cause to test premium Jul 2013 #104

What happens if there were evidence? You can bet your rear if Trayvon had shot Z, M would be tested. Hoyt Jul 2013 #109

More wild unfounded accusations from Hoyt. premium Jul 2013 #113

I bet it is. Hoyt Jul 2013 #120

Ok Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #123

Officer Premium you cracking me up. Hell, Zimmerman was hearing voices, "you got me," Hoyt Jul 2013 #127

Why are you evading the question Hoyt? nt. premium Jul 2013 #128

Z wasn't even tested for alcohol, correct? I would think that fundamental when a lethal anneboleyn Jul 2013 #156

They went easy on him. But, they do know what prescription medicines he was taking. Hoyt Jul 2013 #159

he admitted to police that he took this medication TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #132

Are you of the opinion naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #7

I am of the opinion that it is a fact that Zimmerman chased down and shot a boy to death NoOneMan Jul 2013 #15

I agree naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #27

No, as long as his unvoiced assertions aren't used to justify irrelevant testimony NoOneMan Jul 2013 #33

Ok I agree totally nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #37

Reefer Madness in the courtroom Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #5

I remember hearing a few weeks ago pokerfan Jul 2013 #13

If I were on a jury and they called an "expert" who made such a claim... Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #20

Judge ??? SamKnause Jul 2013 #17

So the deceased was tested for drugs, but the potential murderer wasn't? Rex Jul 2013 #174

Well, that should clinch it! tavernier Jul 2013 #18

They could be gollygee Jul 2013 #23

Pot makes you mellow, hungry, and sleepy. tblue Jul 2013 #52

Bingo. If the prosecutors have even the slightest clue SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #65

And a touch paranoid. tavernier Jul 2013 #66

I know at least one person who Bay Boy Jul 2013 #119

I met some rather mean people premium Jul 2013 #125

Trayvon had a very small amount of it in his system. Can't be enough to make someone MEAN... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #161

I just don't think that this is such a big deal. avebury Jul 2013 #22

black and smoked pot = thug to unexposed people uponit7771 Jul 2013 #25

MJ is illegal in Florida. Zippy's adderall use is covered by HIPAA Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #26

Adderall and Temazipam are, indeed, legal and have very serious possible... Spazito Jul 2013 #30

He should not have been carrying a gun on those drugs. Hoyt Jul 2013 #32

If he was carrying a loaded gun he shouldn't have put himself in a situation where a single teenager MH1 Jul 2013 #55

He will become a lobbyist with NRA for Stand Your Ground (aka, lynching) laws. Hoyt Jul 2013 #58

Once again, premium Jul 2013 #137

he told police he took these meds TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #155

Yes. The prosecution should have someone testify about the adderall. anneboleyn Jul 2013 #157

I'd like to meet the pot-smoker who can put up the fight Z claims happened. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #29

Another blow for the prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #35

I feel bad for the prosecutor. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #40

I feel bad also, premium Jul 2013 #48

I've read several places here customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #95

... felix_numinous Jul 2013 #49

That's so fucked up gopiscrap Jul 2013 #57

I have no problem Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #64

Thank you gopiscrap Jul 2013 #67

Would that be legal? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #91

It's legal naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #111

You are 100% correct. premium Jul 2013 #115

The Obama Administration customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #116

Nope nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #117

Republican Zimmerman supporters are loving this one Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #63

"Zimmerman believed Martin was under the influence" RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #69

Yet the judge allowed it. Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #74

The judge is allowing because the prosecution's own witness, premium Jul 2013 #77

What's race got to do with this? customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #121

So they're going with the Reefer Madness defense Hugabear Jul 2013 #71

just more proof mzteris Jul 2013 #80

Only if one or more of the women in that jury room customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #124

What's the age spread mzteris Jul 2013 #184

I don't know that much about them customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #185

I sure as hell hope they point out that Z was never tested for ANY drugs. Someone who shots and kill uppityperson Jul 2013 #92

They are going to go to any lengths to make sure hifiguy Jul 2013 #110

So now it's open season on teenaged pot smokers? Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #126

The prosecution's own witness, the ME, is the one premium Jul 2013 #130

Was the info offered in response to a particular question Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #139

That's not true. Total fabrication. Nevernose Jul 2013 #142

Sorry CatWoman rufus dog Jul 2013 #136

*hugs* CatWoman Jul 2013 #176

People here on DU are so pissed off at Obama for cracking down on pot. Let's see how Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #141

True that. nt. premium Jul 2013 #150

I am pissed that the Obama Administration has been so aggressive on cracking down on pot AND . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #172

Many Zimmerman supporters have been inconsistent. Why stop now? Thanks for being consistent. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #175

I see. Well, I am not a Zimmerman supporter! n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #181

I was not referring to you. n/t Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #182

I get that . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #183

Z says on 911 call he thinks M might be on drugs. Toxicology report shows small amount of weed. Azathoth Jul 2013 #153

Since pot makes people LESS violent and confrontational.... Ken Burch Jul 2013 #158

It makes some people paranoid. Paranoid people can panic and do stupid things Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #160

Yeah, cuz Trayvon was paranoid that a scary white (Hispanic or whatever he calls himself) man... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #162

Are you suggesting that he shouldn't have already been paranoid? Dawgs Jul 2013 #163

It's the equivalent of slut shaming a rape victim Nevernose Jul 2013 #164

I just don't think that this is the big issues that avebury Jul 2013 #165

What are the results of Zimmerman's drug testing? AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #171

Blame the Victim. Octafish Jul 2013 #173

Maybe this might back fire on them. I was listening to a local LA radio host this morning Cleita Jul 2013 #177

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #178

Better hope the members of the jury are under 50 HockeyMom Jul 2013 #179