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marions ghost

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66. I know the difference

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:34 PM

Jul 2013

--there's a lot of overlap. Holistic medicine practitioners will use homeopathic remedies at times.

http://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-well-being/stories/whats-the-difference-between-holistic-and-homeopathic-medicine

This webpage explains the connection as I understand it. I'm not a practitioner or expert in it, just a user. And I'm not pushing it--just saying I have found it useful FWIW.

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"A holistic medical doctor combines modern, Western scientific treatment with alternative medicine or complementary treatments, such as chiropractic, acupuncture or massage. Both a homeopathic physician and a holistic medical doctor will look at the whole picture. How they differ is that the homeopathic doctor would prepare a remedy in liquid or tablet form, while the holistic doctor would provide a patient with the option of a pharmaceutical drug in addition to alternative treatments, which could include a homeopathic remedy.

Homeopathic treatment — often bashed by modern scientific institutions and doctors — in general falls under the holistic umbrella. Homeopathic medicine examines the whole person. It integrates a person’s constitution, diet, emotional and mental state and stressors, among other factors — hence the term holistic."

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Why is woo sold as "mainstream?" [View all] Archae Jul 2013 OP

Not all homeopathy is quackery, but the homeopathy market does let in some quackery as well. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #1

All true homeopathy is quackery. It's heavily diluted water that supposedly has a "memory." Dash87 Jul 2013 #4

Good point. I was lumping things like acupuncture and massage into homeopathy. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #15

It's easy to confuse the term *holistic* medicine (which is often legit, or at least arguably so) The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #29

Yeah, I'm actually so used to seeing signs here in NY stating: JaneyVee Jul 2013 #31

As a former massage therapist, I don't know which I resented more: eShirl Jul 2013 #111

All homeopathy is quackery. HERVEPA Jul 2013 #5

Homeopathy IS quackery. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #6

Excuse me! zappaman Jul 2013 #20

Homeopathy's claims and its premises have all been falsified by 19th and 20th century science. longship Jul 2013 #25

... opiate69 Jul 2013 #44

homeopathy is woo, you might be confusing it with holistic... dionysus Jul 2013 #63

$$$$$ think Jul 2013 #2

Exactly! hobbit709 Jul 2013 #3

this! bobduca Jul 2013 #79

But more so... Javaman Jul 2013 #145

If people buy it, they are happy to sell it. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #7

May as well use a hammer, than that stuff. longship Jul 2013 #36

I see problems with both ends of this - being a pharmaceutical chemist for many years.... NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #45

I'll take heirloom tomatoes over pharmaceuticals any day! zappaman Jul 2013 #47

hey - you been in my kitchen? NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #49

No, but loving my farmers markets zappaman Jul 2013 #53

O/T The ones in your sig file are just gorgeous! eridani Jul 2013 #105

Agreed, but homeopathy is still quackery. longship Jul 2013 #59

couldn't agree more. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #60

Me too. RiffRandell Jul 2013 #99

Homeopathy is not woo marions ghost Jul 2013 #8

You are mistaken as to what homeopathy means cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #10

Many people make that mistake. n/t zappaman Jul 2013 #16

This is my perspective: marions ghost Jul 2013 #27

Placebo effects are powerful and not at all understood. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #52

Am familiar with the placebo effect marions ghost Jul 2013 #61

No placebo cured an infection, or cancer, etc. longship Jul 2013 #71

I know a researcher who is trying to get the terminology changed to "placebo response" Recursion Jul 2013 #76

indeed. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #77

Avogadro's number! longship Jul 2013 #55

I understand chemistry 101 marions ghost Jul 2013 #62

Apparently you don't if you think homeopathy is anything but utter quackery. longship Jul 2013 #68

Whatever... marions ghost Jul 2013 #72

None of what you cite works. longship Jul 2013 #73

My acupuncturist marions ghost Jul 2013 #80

Acupuncture is an invasive procedure. longship Jul 2013 #95

Gloves and clean needles are standard procedure of course marions ghost Jul 2013 #97

I don't use invasive procedures with zero benefit beyond placebo. longship Jul 2013 #102

What IS your problem? marions ghost Jul 2013 #116

My problem is with made up stuff which has no benefit. longship Jul 2013 #120

Just out of curiosity, what's your position on Asian medicine in general? Those HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #132

That it doesn't conform to science is the problem. longship Jul 2013 #140

I don't want to hijack Archae's thread but was hoping someone with expertise HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #143

No problem. Good luck. nt longship Jul 2013 #144

Acupuncture is NOT homeopathy. EOTE Jul 2013 #146

Wong Revanchist Jul 2013 #83

OK fine marions ghost Jul 2013 #90

Maybe in the developed countries Revanchist Jul 2013 #94

I don't know about any such misguided applications marions ghost Jul 2013 #123

The NSA has been monitoring Avogadro's number... jberryhill Jul 2013 #67

Undoubtedly a Sicilian Mafia plot!! longship Jul 2013 #69

You're a bad person. SwissTony Jul 2013 #126

Sheesh PasadenaTrudy Jul 2013 #129

Do you mean to say that they've given up on that horseshit about 10K dilutions in water? eridani Jul 2013 #106

I can't answer your question marions ghost Jul 2013 #124

Not understanding the confusion. Either you use the herb as is, or you eridani Jul 2013 #159

+1 BuddhaGirl Jul 2013 #12

It flares up now and then... marions ghost Jul 2013 #28

+1 Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #117

All water would cure everything NoOneMan Jul 2013 #18

Or kill us all because botulism exists. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2013 #38

There's a difference between herbalism and homeopathy EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2013 #22

Please provide links to published (peer reviewed lit) reports of controlled studies kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #34

See my post 27 marions ghost Jul 2013 #43

Well, here's one. Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled. postulater Jul 2013 #155

using herbs/natural medicines is a good thing - but the dilutions/techniques NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #46

you're confusing homeopathy with holistic, i think. dionysus Jul 2013 #64

I know the difference marions ghost Jul 2013 #66

Useful? No. Horseshit? Yes. Archae Jul 2013 #82

Not to a lot of people marions ghost Jul 2013 #84

"A lot of people" believe all gays are going to hell. Archae Jul 2013 #92

Of course testimonials are not evidence marions ghost Jul 2013 #93

Ha! We agree on that. I was looking to see if anyone Cha Jul 2013 #107

And that's my point too marions ghost Jul 2013 #121

Experience Berlum Jul 2013 #150

I think you're thinking of herbal medicine. That is not homeopathy. LeftishBrit Jul 2013 #160

There is an overlap marions ghost Jul 2013 #161

It's all about the Benjamins. Apophis Jul 2013 #9

I thought this homeopathy was treatment for "skin tags"? zappaman Jul 2013 #11

Another woo thread. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #13

Lol. can we ban that word now? nt B2G Jul 2013 #24

I hope so. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #40

Well, if we ban that word... ElboRuum Jul 2013 #54

Please. "Woo" sounds more stupid than what its describing. phleshdef Jul 2013 #136

Because some people believe in it and there's a demand for it. Cleita Jul 2013 #14

Good points marions ghost Jul 2013 #17

If you could sell a tiny ass bottle of water for $5, wouldn't you? n/t taught_me_patience Jul 2013 #19

Only if I could label is as Mermaid Tears NoOneMan Jul 2013 #21

if it was packaged nicely, I might buy a bottle of Mermaid Tears> BTW, OPI has a nail polish KittyWampus Jul 2013 #23

One of the funniest subject lines evah! Politicub Jul 2013 #70

Mermaid Tears are useless snooper2 Jul 2013 #125

LOL! It's all in the packaging (which includes the adverts). KittyWampus Jul 2013 #137

The Catholic Church has been doing it for years. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #30

Ouch! Careful now, or you'll restart the 30 Years War! Oh, wait a HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #138

Personally, I was raised to consider lying and fraud to be bad things. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2013 #42

Yes, many of us were, yet there seems to be a long held opinion that those things don't Cleita Jul 2013 #58

This really deserves to be its own OP, imho. You've captured the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #139

You seem to post extremely often on the subject of "woo". Regarding homeopathy> KittyWampus Jul 2013 #26

Homeopathy is indeed quackery of the highest order. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #32

As a veterinarian, what do you think of Rescue Remedy? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #33

It is harmless so long as it does not cause owners to delay legitimate medical care. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #35

Thanks, that's pretty much what I suspected. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #41

Agreed. I think some of the problem is that it is marketed as "natural". Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #39

Shit and sugar... SidDithers Jul 2013 #37

. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #48

Aye yi yi zappaman Jul 2013 #50

Only if you vibrate your toilet at the right frequency while flushing Revanchist Jul 2013 #87

What the hell is a "skin tag"? ElboRuum Jul 2013 #51

It's like a mole but just excess skin. zappaman Jul 2013 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jul 2013 #104

Well, I used homeopathic teething tablets and colic tablets Butterbean Jul 2013 #57

For the record, the goat thing DOESN'T work Orrex Jul 2013 #85

LOL! n/t Butterbean Jul 2013 #114

The only "homeopathic" remedy that I ever relied on was the chamomile pills... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #88

That would be herbal or hollistic, not homeopathic Revanchist Jul 2013 #96

They were sold as "homeopathic" and that is why I put the word into quotes. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #98

I see Revanchist Jul 2013 #100

We did. My husband used to manage a health food store and refused to carry Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #103

Yeah, I understand that (I'm a nurse), and we consulted with our pediatrician Butterbean Jul 2013 #115

Why is it that what sells is mainstreamed, woo or no? Coyotl Jul 2013 #65

Because people are stupid. sagat Jul 2013 #74

Been to Europe lately? The Apothekes are about 80% homeopathic Recursion Jul 2013 #75

$$$$$$$$$$$ bobduca Jul 2013 #78

Where do you think modern medicines come from, Archae? You think they Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #81

Eat healthy. exercize... Archae Jul 2013 #86

You are conflating homeopathy and a number of unrelated practices Orrex Jul 2013 #89

"The more you stay away from doctors and hospitals, the healthier you will be." sagat Jul 2013 #108

Ahhh homeopathy, Revanchist Jul 2013 #91

Damn...I just now got used to homosexuals...Now I got some OTHER homo-thingy to try ... BlueJazz Jul 2013 #101

Is she in denial about running a scam? eShirl Jul 2013 #110

She thinks she's helping the people (from what she says). I suspect otherwise but try to be fair... BlueJazz Jul 2013 #113

It's nowhere near as reliable as pyramid power. reusrename Jul 2013 #109

what is the deal with this word "WOO"? Skittles Jul 2013 #112

It's like nails on a chalk board Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #118

As long as there IS woo, I'm going to call it woo. Archae Jul 2013 #148

that does NOT answer my question Skittles Jul 2013 #153

"Woo" and "Bullshit" have differences. Archae Jul 2013 #156

so I Googled Skittles Jul 2013 #157

I think it is surpassing "PROLLY" for me on the irritation factor Skittles Jul 2013 #152

I think it has less to do with stupidity, and more to do with the failures of conventional medicine. StrayKat Jul 2013 #119

Probably for the same reason that some pharmacies sell cigarettes Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #122

And that reason would be.... CanSocDem Jul 2013 #127

$$$ Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #151

Back in the 70s PasadenaTrudy Jul 2013 #134

Depends on one's definition of mainstream get the red out Jul 2013 #128

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #130

Birch bark extract used to treat headaches? Wooo Quantess Jul 2013 #131

Homeopathic birch bark extract doesn't have any birch bark in it... SidDithers Jul 2013 #142

And has what to do with homeopathy? (A: nothing.) eShirl Jul 2013 #149

I still wonder PasadenaTrudy Jul 2013 #133

For the longest time I thought we were talking about a member of DU Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #135

DUZY for sure! (Maybe a Meta-DUZY?) - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #141

this particular member seems to be obsessed with "Woo" Skittles Jul 2013 #158

Are you talking about tag away? Marrah_G Jul 2013 #147

No Homeopathy thread is complete without Mitchell and Webb... SidDithers Jul 2013 #154