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hlthe2b

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118. The DA would not HAVE to, if there had been a proper investigation. THAT IS THE POINT...

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:59 PM

Jul 2013

I had the opportunity to run this by close friend who happens to be an ADA in a large CO county.... So, while FL may be its own ugly little world, legally speaking, in Colorado--or at least in their county, an unexplained shooting death of an unarmed teen, absent any gang circumstances would have been a drop everything and fully investigate kind of situation. In the absence of an air-tight case for self-defense, she indicated she has requested and received warrants for drug and alcohol testing... At least in that county, judges DO consider use of deadly force--whether via an automobile, or a firearm-- to similarly justify drug and alcohol testing.

And, yes, WE DO FOLLOW THE US constitution in Colorado, premium and Honeycombe8... We also think murder of unarmed youth to be a damned serious offense, worthy of full investigation--even among those RKBA obsessed.

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Judge: Trayvon Martin�s Pot Use Can Be Included In Trial [View all] CatWoman Jul 2013 OP

How abhorrent is this, given they didn't even drug/alcohol test Zimmerman, his killer? hlthe2b Jul 2013 #1

They didn't have probable cause for a warrant premium Jul 2013 #3

underscores the insanity of Florida laws (as though we didn't already know that) and the hlthe2b Jul 2013 #4

This isn't just FL premium Jul 2013 #10

Had the racist cops not covered for him that night, there was probable cause to arrest him hlthe2b Jul 2013 #11

I'm sorry, but that's just not true, premium Jul 2013 #19

An unxlained fatal shooting of an unarmed teen by someone arguing that he was attacked... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #21

So right, hlthe2b. tblue Jul 2013 #53

I'm not defending Zimmerman premium Jul 2013 #56

I appreciate that customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #85

I greatly appreciate that. premium Jul 2013 #89

You do a service to us all customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #96

Yep, premium Jul 2013 #98

Agreed gopiscrap Jul 2013 #59

If they had probable cause, they could probably take it as an exegency because by the time you'd get RBInMaine Jul 2013 #76

Actually, what they would do is get a telephonic warrant, premium Jul 2013 #81

Interesting. Doesn't happen like that in all states. Need a written warrant. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #186

so you think it is normal for someone to stalk and kill someone for no reason? Skittles Jul 2013 #94

Where the hell did you come up with that? premium Jul 2013 #100

Zimmerman's actions that night were NOT NORMAL Skittles Jul 2013 #105

Whether or not his actions were normal premium Jul 2013 #108

they didn't express concerns because they FAILED to see him as what he was Skittles Jul 2013 #145

Oh yeah, they failed the investigation big time, premium Jul 2013 #148

they should have seen he was involved in an assault in a bar, among others.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #152

Every person I know who uses weed isn't the sort of person who would pounce on a "poor, innocent MADem Jul 2013 #51

Yup that's been my experiencewith pot also gopiscrap Jul 2013 #60

We were posting about this a few days ago. I agree with you. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #82

I remember that, premium Jul 2013 #84

I'm going to assume that these are moms customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #88

Could be. But maybe not. I'm a conservative looking mature woman.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #101

I predict that before the defense is done customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #114

I am hoping there are a few moms who did a little herb themselves in high school and college. nt MADem Jul 2013 #154

I agree, but in allowing it in, it will give the defense license to hlthe2b Jul 2013 #103

I agree, it shouldn't have been allowed in, premium Jul 2013 #107

Shooting an unarmed kid isn't probably cause? nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #8

No. premium Jul 2013 #14

Again, they HAD probable cause but intentionally chose to ignore their duty & COVER FOR HIM hlthe2b Jul 2013 #16

I agree that they had probable cause to arrest for the shooting premium Jul 2013 #34

Not had they bothered to fully investigate... His "full of holes" explanation for the killing hlthe2b Jul 2013 #39

I'm sorry, but that's just not true, despite what people see on Law & Order, premium Jul 2013 #41

Again, one can not make the case when they hold biases that disincentivize them from doing so. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #42

What am I defending besides the Constitution? premium Jul 2013 #45

I've read your hidden posts, so count me skeptical... but if you have changed your views good n/t hlthe2b Jul 2013 #46

You can check all my posts on the Zimmerman case, premium Jul 2013 #47

and based upon your posts rufus dog Jul 2013 #131

Then you haven't been reading my posts, premium Jul 2013 #138

read them rufus dog Jul 2013 #146

Thank you. premium Jul 2013 #149

Premium is just telling you factual things, not giving opinion. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #86

I know that is not the case... The ADA COULD have made a case for cause & gotten a warrant hlthe2b Jul 2013 #106

The DA cannot just make up a cause for a warrant for a test, premium Jul 2013 #112

The DA would not HAVE to, if there had been a proper investigation. THAT IS THE POINT... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #118

And to get that warrant, she would have to present probable cause evidence premium Jul 2013 #122

Not if a proper investigation had been conducted... THAT would have provided the CAUSE> hlthe2b Jul 2013 #135

You're amazing, premium Jul 2013 #140

I will believe someone I KNOW to be both qualified and experienced in the issue... hlthe2b Jul 2013 #144

And I'll trust my 30+ years as a FLEO. premium Jul 2013 #147

I give up. You just don't want to understand. Was his speech slurred? Did he look drunk to you? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #129

You should give up because I know better... see my post hlthe2b Jul 2013 #134

your emotion clouds your judgement. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #151

Knock it off. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #166

i think its great that you want to abdicate your rights under the fourth amendment galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #167

I abdicate no rights... Including the right not to be murdered by the gun-obsessed paranoid racists hlthe2b Jul 2013 #168

you dont have that right nor guarantee galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #169

with a name that includes "reloaded" it is not me that is fearful hlthe2b Jul 2013 #170

"reloaded" has nothing to do with guns. I have none. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #180

What is your source? Capt. MacDonald was drug-tested (not for speed, tho') in the hospital, and he WinkyDink Jul 2013 #28

My source is my extensive experience as an FLEO premium Jul 2013 #36

MacDonald? You mean the Green Beret who killed his family? That was military law, I think. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #90

Is that who he meant? premium Jul 2013 #97

I think that's who he meant. No, I didn't know that about the military. Just that.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #99

Yes, it was Army CID premium Jul 2013 #102

My only point (I'm a "she") was that in at least one other famous case a wounded person on the WinkyDink Jul 2013 #133

Ok, but the Military falls under the exclusionary rule of the 4A, premium Jul 2013 #143

He was as sober that night as when he attempted to commit wire frau LanternWaste Jul 2013 #44

"Didin't have probable cause"--only because they were too busy covering for him. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #9

This is false on it's face, the inconsistent stories and the lack of defensive wounds on his arms... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #24

No, it's not, premium Jul 2013 #38

Probable cause??? A child is dead and he admits shooting him? MH1 Jul 2013 #54

I'm sorry you don't like it, premium Jul 2013 #61

Hopefully the law will be changed. MH1 Jul 2013 #70

I think that's a reasonable compromise, although you can bet premium Jul 2013 #73

Did they ask him, do you know? Just curious. I get your point, though. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #79

Good question, any cop worth his salt would have, premium Jul 2013 #83

"since Zimmerman believed Martin was under the influence" NoOneMan Jul 2013 #2

The prosecutions own witness open the door for premium Jul 2013 #6

Which he said, may have no to little effect at the present levels NoOneMan Jul 2013 #12

Quit with legal BS. Med Examiner did not open door because jury was not present when THC mention. Hoyt Jul 2013 #31

Legal bs is the law Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #43

Couple of other things premium Jul 2013 #50

Premium, you are also not a physician. Those drugs are long acting, And underlying Hoyt Jul 2013 #62

That's irrelevant Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #68

BS. I guess Martin lying lifeless in the friggin rain trumps Zimmerman on mind altering, Hoyt Jul 2013 #72

Once again Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #75

Premium, I bet you threw the book at jay walkers. It's the law you don't shoot unarmed kids too. Hoyt Jul 2013 #78

Uh Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #87

The law says you don't shoot unarmed kids, with few exceptions. And this ain't one of the Hoyt Jul 2013 #93

What part of the police didn't have probable cause to test premium Jul 2013 #104

What happens if there were evidence? You can bet your rear if Trayvon had shot Z, M would be tested. Hoyt Jul 2013 #109

More wild unfounded accusations from Hoyt. premium Jul 2013 #113

I bet it is. Hoyt Jul 2013 #120

Ok Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #123

Officer Premium you cracking me up. Hell, Zimmerman was hearing voices, "you got me," Hoyt Jul 2013 #127

Why are you evading the question Hoyt? nt. premium Jul 2013 #128

Z wasn't even tested for alcohol, correct? I would think that fundamental when a lethal anneboleyn Jul 2013 #156

They went easy on him. But, they do know what prescription medicines he was taking. Hoyt Jul 2013 #159

he admitted to police that he took this medication TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #132

Are you of the opinion naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #7

I am of the opinion that it is a fact that Zimmerman chased down and shot a boy to death NoOneMan Jul 2013 #15

I agree naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #27

No, as long as his unvoiced assertions aren't used to justify irrelevant testimony NoOneMan Jul 2013 #33

Ok I agree totally nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #37

Reefer Madness in the courtroom Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #5

I remember hearing a few weeks ago pokerfan Jul 2013 #13

If I were on a jury and they called an "expert" who made such a claim... Bjorn Against Jul 2013 #20

Judge ??? SamKnause Jul 2013 #17

So the deceased was tested for drugs, but the potential murderer wasn't? Rex Jul 2013 #174

Well, that should clinch it! tavernier Jul 2013 #18

They could be gollygee Jul 2013 #23

Pot makes you mellow, hungry, and sleepy. tblue Jul 2013 #52

Bingo. If the prosecutors have even the slightest clue SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #65

And a touch paranoid. tavernier Jul 2013 #66

I know at least one person who Bay Boy Jul 2013 #119

I met some rather mean people premium Jul 2013 #125

Trayvon had a very small amount of it in his system. Can't be enough to make someone MEAN... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #161

I just don't think that this is such a big deal. avebury Jul 2013 #22

black and smoked pot = thug to unexposed people uponit7771 Jul 2013 #25

MJ is illegal in Florida. Zippy's adderall use is covered by HIPAA Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #26

Adderall and Temazipam are, indeed, legal and have very serious possible... Spazito Jul 2013 #30

He should not have been carrying a gun on those drugs. Hoyt Jul 2013 #32

If he was carrying a loaded gun he shouldn't have put himself in a situation where a single teenager MH1 Jul 2013 #55

He will become a lobbyist with NRA for Stand Your Ground (aka, lynching) laws. Hoyt Jul 2013 #58

Once again, premium Jul 2013 #137

he told police he took these meds TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #155

Yes. The prosecution should have someone testify about the adderall. anneboleyn Jul 2013 #157

I'd like to meet the pot-smoker who can put up the fight Z claims happened. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #29

Another blow for the prosecution LittleBlue Jul 2013 #35

I feel bad for the prosecutor. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #40

I feel bad also, premium Jul 2013 #48

I've read several places here customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #95

... felix_numinous Jul 2013 #49

That's so fucked up gopiscrap Jul 2013 #57

I have no problem Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #64

Thank you gopiscrap Jul 2013 #67

Would that be legal? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #91

It's legal naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #111

You are 100% correct. premium Jul 2013 #115

The Obama Administration customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #116

Nope nt naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #117

Republican Zimmerman supporters are loving this one Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #63

"Zimmerman believed Martin was under the influence" RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #69

Yet the judge allowed it. Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #74

The judge is allowing because the prosecution's own witness, premium Jul 2013 #77

What's race got to do with this? customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #121

So they're going with the Reefer Madness defense Hugabear Jul 2013 #71

just more proof mzteris Jul 2013 #80

Only if one or more of the women in that jury room customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #124

What's the age spread mzteris Jul 2013 #184

I don't know that much about them customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #185

I sure as hell hope they point out that Z was never tested for ANY drugs. Someone who shots and kill uppityperson Jul 2013 #92

They are going to go to any lengths to make sure hifiguy Jul 2013 #110

So now it's open season on teenaged pot smokers? Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #126

The prosecution's own witness, the ME, is the one premium Jul 2013 #130

Was the info offered in response to a particular question Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #139

That's not true. Total fabrication. Nevernose Jul 2013 #142

Sorry CatWoman rufus dog Jul 2013 #136

*hugs* CatWoman Jul 2013 #176

People here on DU are so pissed off at Obama for cracking down on pot. Let's see how Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #141

True that. nt. premium Jul 2013 #150

I am pissed that the Obama Administration has been so aggressive on cracking down on pot AND . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #172

Many Zimmerman supporters have been inconsistent. Why stop now? Thanks for being consistent. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #175

I see. Well, I am not a Zimmerman supporter! n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #181

I was not referring to you. n/t Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #182

I get that . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #183

Z says on 911 call he thinks M might be on drugs. Toxicology report shows small amount of weed. Azathoth Jul 2013 #153

Since pot makes people LESS violent and confrontational.... Ken Burch Jul 2013 #158

It makes some people paranoid. Paranoid people can panic and do stupid things Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #160

Yeah, cuz Trayvon was paranoid that a scary white (Hispanic or whatever he calls himself) man... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #162

Are you suggesting that he shouldn't have already been paranoid? Dawgs Jul 2013 #163

It's the equivalent of slut shaming a rape victim Nevernose Jul 2013 #164

I just don't think that this is the big issues that avebury Jul 2013 #165

What are the results of Zimmerman's drug testing? AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #171

Blame the Victim. Octafish Jul 2013 #173

Maybe this might back fire on them. I was listening to a local LA radio host this morning Cleita Jul 2013 #177

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #178

Better hope the members of the jury are under 50 HockeyMom Jul 2013 #179