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Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:57 PM

Jul 2013

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I COMPLETELY support Snowden. [View all] Bonobo Jul 2013 OP

one must fight an evil empire where one can according to ability eh? nt msongs Jul 2013 #1

There are so few. kentuck Jul 2013 #2

Of Course BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #41

He did the right thing, he will suffer for doing it. Autumn Jul 2013 #3

Unreservedly so. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #4

I thought this wasn't about him? Recursion Jul 2013 #5

That game works both ways. Bonobo Jul 2013 #8

Fair enough. I can't say much about him because I'm only about 85% convinced he exists at this point Recursion Jul 2013 #10

I have no idea what that means (except literally) Bonobo Jul 2013 #12

I rate my confidence at about 85% that "Edward Snowden" is a real person Recursion Jul 2013 #14

I must admit. Bonobo Jul 2013 #17

The only footage of him is that produced video Recursion Jul 2013 #20

Creative marions ghost Jul 2013 #40

No, he had direct contact with a reporter from a Hong Kong newspaper, the South China totodeinhere Jul 2013 #54

Thank you. I didn't realize that interview was face to face Recursion Jul 2013 #56

He did a 'face to face' interview with a newspaper... Blanks Jul 2013 #158

Booz Allen Hamilton confirmed he worked for them; the US government put out arrest warrants muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #144

"But that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion of him." Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #22

Shouted down? Bonobo Jul 2013 #24

I actually don't have a problem with a vigorous discussion about Snowden Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #35

So let's agree that: Bonobo Jul 2013 #36

It's still not about him... kentuck Jul 2013 #52

Then you're completely opposed to the premise of the OP. baldguy Jul 2013 #81

But he finds him honorable because of what he did.... kentuck Jul 2013 #124

well said. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #231

The problem with Snowden is gholtron Jul 2013 #162

The problem with your reply is LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #205

You're right that I'm hung up on law. gholtron Jul 2013 #208

People do, citizens do LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #210

My morality may be different from yours gholtron Jul 2013 #223

I'm hung up on law too, and I can't imagine how Progressive dog Jul 2013 #213

What court? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #220

I didn't know Nelson Mandela lived in the USA and Progressive dog Jul 2013 #221

So its just Americans that run from the State that are cowards? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #227

Whose laws did Snowden run from, South Africa? LOL Progressive dog Jul 2013 #230

Manning broke the law gholtron Jul 2013 #224

Things you can't unsee Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #44

Well, your first message reply out of the gate cheapdate Jul 2013 #86

That is NOT shouting someone down. Bonobo Jul 2013 #100

And you'd be an expert on shouting down wouldn't you? Blanks Jul 2013 #160

Blanks... Bonobo Jul 2013 #161

If Snowden had remained anonymous; it would have given you more time... Blanks Jul 2013 #175

Do you think an anonymous leaker would really have credibility? Bonobo Jul 2013 #178

An anonymous leaker would be trying to hide. Blanks Jul 2013 #191

You can't be shooting blanks LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #209

Lets see if I follow your exquisite reasoning... Blanks Jul 2013 #216

You know what they say about ASSUMING LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #222

I can't tell you what the motivations of MLK, Ghandi etc... Blanks Jul 2013 #232

It was accurate. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #110

It was bullshit. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #153

Screaming that it's BS doesn't make it any less accurate. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #154

Screaming "it's accurate" doesn't make it so, either. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #155

I am not the one with issues about whats being said Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #156

Ok... Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #157

he was not incorrect about direct access questionseverything Jul 2013 #233

.... questionseverything Jul 2013 #234

It wasn't, but the defenders of the Surveillance state made it about him, so now they sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #106

Of course you do RobertEarl Jul 2013 #6

I keep seeing Dorothy's dog pulling away the curtain of the Great and Powerful Oz. Gregorian Jul 2013 #7

AMERICA..LOVE IT OR.. Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #9

I agree. Thank you for the post. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #11

Abso-freaking-lutely. hifiguy Jul 2013 #13

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #15

Did Snowden make the country safer with his revelations? Zorro Jul 2013 #16

Time will tell. Bonobo Jul 2013 #18

To answer that you first have to answer truebluegreen Jul 2013 #19

The issue doesn't have to be about safety. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #59

Hear, hear. woo me with science Jul 2013 #21

This will be a good bookmark for when Ed goes down. Get the whole Fan Club in one spot. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #23

"Have at thee!" Bonobo Jul 2013 #26

That's what NSA says about DU. Octafish Jul 2013 #122

Can you imagine the CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #25

If the issue were regarding NSA surveillance... Bonobo Jul 2013 #28

I disagree. I don't think his motives are as honorable as you believe. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #37

Oh please, ProSense Jul 2013 #27

"He invented most of his claims." Bonobo Jul 2013 #29

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #32

Well Snowden claims proof about direct access is coming Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #38

He didn't invent any claims about Prism. Bonobo Jul 2013 #47

You ProSense Jul 2013 #51

Reductionism. Bonobo Jul 2013 #55

Can't answer the question, huh? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #62

It was Bonobo Jul 2013 #63

You said: "If the Powerpoint was inaccurate about the 'direct' access, it was not his doing." ProSense Jul 2013 #69

OK then Bonobo Jul 2013 #74

It appears they use contractors for the direct access to servers. reusrename Jul 2013 #97

he was not wrong about direct access questionseverything Jul 2013 #236

"He invented most his claims", yet other countries are upset and Obama is willing to discuss....... Logical Jul 2013 #31

And ProSense Jul 2013 #34

Your attempts to derail with reductionistic, unanswerable, pointless questions. Bonobo Jul 2013 #65

LOL: "unanswerable" ProSense Jul 2013 #70

Link. Bonobo Jul 2013 #75

Maybe ProSense Jul 2013 #78

I'm the one laughing. Bonobo Jul 2013 #89

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #127

And his claims are supported by facts. Bonobo Jul 2013 #129

This corroborates Snowden's claim. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #120

See Reply 120. nt OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #139

Yes, it is a sign of other things than opportunism. You think all other countries are craven muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #145

+1 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #143

Come on.... micraphone Jul 2013 #45

Maybe, ProSense Jul 2013 #60

Definitely micraphone Jul 2013 #66

Except, apparently, for Venezuela's government (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #107

If Venezuela will be his new home, he will be spied on every minute! Amonester Jul 2013 #138

# L0oniX Jul 2013 #235

Not me - the smell of Bush op has been mighty from day one. blm Jul 2013 #30

Finally, someone who gets it. Avalux Jul 2013 #33

Thank You For Sharing Your Thoughts cantbeserious Jul 2013 #39

No! These People are Hero's. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #42

So, tell me how Snowden could "run towards the danger" NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #46

As Hunter Thompson said: Bonobo Jul 2013 #50

Yeah....saw that somewhere. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #71

I thought you sounded sleepy. Bonobo Jul 2013 #77

Leakers are leakers when they can prove with tangible evidence what they claim is true. Amonester Jul 2013 #58

Can you prove he sold the documents? If not, you can't even hold NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #64

And I'm not self-proclaiming myself a leaker or whistleblower... Amonester Jul 2013 #68

No Tangible Evidence? NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #76

That's not tangible evidence that the NSA *spies illegally* on US. Amonester Jul 2013 #87

Well it depends on your definition of legality NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #92

The USSC disagrees with you. baldguy Jul 2013 #94

USSC has not ruled on FISA's use of the "special needs" provision to justify universal data mining NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #98

"Right" & "legal" are two different things. You said that FISA is illegal when in fact it IS legal. baldguy Jul 2013 #105

I didnt say "FISA IS ILLEGAL" . reread what I actually said. NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #111

You tied yourself up in semantic knots. baldguy Jul 2013 #112

Not if you can read English NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #126

Furthermore, regarding legality---read this from breaking news NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #199

Did you know about this? Yes or no? Bonobo Jul 2013 #79

Yes, and did you know about this? Yes or no? Amonester Jul 2013 #96

Absolutely. So we both knew about both things... Bonobo Jul 2013 #99

I think he is lying about the direct access because he can brag all he wants Amonester Jul 2013 #103

But the link I gave you SHOWS evidence of direct access. Bonobo Jul 2013 #104

That evidence was before the Senate vote Amonester Jul 2013 #113

So you think then that the access was cut off? Bonobo Jul 2013 #116

If there was nothing ridiculous about his claim of direct access Amonester Jul 2013 #119

Those are really speculative questions. Bonobo Jul 2013 #121

They might have direct access, but they now have very strict rules to abide to Amonester Jul 2013 #130

I strongly disagree with the assertion of "strict rules" Bonobo Jul 2013 #131

Out of over 300 million people, 1,800 requests Amonester Jul 2013 #135

Except they are 1,800 requests that cover tens of millions of people. Bonobo Jul 2013 #140

Take a look at this OP: Amonester Jul 2013 #141

Apples to Oranges sheshe2 Jul 2013 #67

Please--- "Standing like a man"? You're appealing to emotions NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #202

Many people can be heroes simultaneously. Bonobo Jul 2013 #49

Are you kidding? Those people can go home at night. Snowden took a giant hit for his country. Gregorian Jul 2013 #88

I questioned his motives (who are his customers, who is paying his way, etc.) and was called a AlinPA Jul 2013 #43

Ed was a citizen, he knew what the price would be... BornLooser Jul 2013 #53

And I say that people that cannot Bonobo Jul 2013 #61

Read it again... kentuck Jul 2013 #72

My bad. I misread it. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #73

Buzzinga!!! BornLooser Jul 2013 #148

Of course you do. BornLooser Jul 2013 #147

I am going to bookmark this. kentuck Jul 2013 #57

I support what he did. Apophis Jul 2013 #80

Then, let me tell you about this bridge I have for sale... baldguy Jul 2013 #82

Great joke. Bonobo Jul 2013 #83

Not nearly as good as the joke in the OP. baldguy Jul 2013 #84

You're about as fresh as Milton Berle. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #91

Eddie certainly needs all the love he can get railsback Jul 2013 #85

He did a very brave thing, no doubt. 99Forever Jul 2013 #90

Grounding/Searching Morales plane smelled very Bush Admin too Hydra Jul 2013 #115

I am grateful for the truths he has exposed marions ghost Jul 2013 #93

good point..heroic action of civil disobedience..and great op, i feel the same way xiamiam Jul 2013 #114

thanks marions ghost Jul 2013 #164

At the VERY VERY LEAST he has forced a discussion on an issue that is central to our ability to Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #95

^^^^this^^^^ ...that's what matters. L0oniX Jul 2013 #181

I am COMPLETELY bored with this whole topic. classof56 Jul 2013 #101

Your boredom is precisely what some people want. Bonobo Jul 2013 #102

i have to agree with you... madrchsod Jul 2013 #136

I am close to 60 and I am finding it absolutely fascinating. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #197

I think Edward Snowden has been extremely brave - if everything we Swagman Jul 2013 #108

yep! wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #109

Agreed G_j Jul 2013 #117

Ditto! DesertDiamond Jul 2013 #118

I agree, Bonobo. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #123

Snowden stands for what the country was built on. Octafish Jul 2013 #125

Face it,...some people are slathering over Snowden... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #128

I don't have any idea what that post is meant to mean. Bonobo Jul 2013 #132

A lot of Liberals are DESPERATE for a hero,...but they're also fickle.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #137

Actually, Their Desperate for Anyone They Think Is Going To Destroy Obama Skraxx Jul 2013 #170

Naw,...Obama was a fling for them but they don't want to destroy him.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #174

that's why i voted for him again in 2012.. frylock Jul 2013 #179

Sure You Did! Skraxx Jul 2013 #183

yeh, i'm lying.. frylock Jul 2013 #186

I Love Pics! Please Share! Skraxx Jul 2013 #187

here's your picture.. frylock Jul 2013 #188

That's You? You're Cool! Skraxx Jul 2013 #189

Lot's of people agree. He should be pardoned limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #133

K&R midnight Jul 2013 #134

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #142

And I do not. stlsaxman Jul 2013 #146

Martin Luther King, Jr. is a hero. As are Rosa Parks and Edward R. Murrow... VOX Jul 2013 #149

Kicked & Recommended In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #150

Of course you do. great white snark Jul 2013 #151

I think he's paranoid, like many teabaggers BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #152

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #159

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #163

Edward Snowden: Hero of The People, Enemy of The State Towlie Jul 2013 #165

totally off base think_critically Jul 2013 #166

Kick Scuba Jul 2013 #167

A-Fucking-Men! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #168

LOL! Oh, He's So Dreamy! Skraxx Jul 2013 #169

Boy you got me! Bonobo Jul 2013 #171

No! I Get It! He's Superman and Batman All Rolled Into One! Skraxx Jul 2013 #182

No you were right the first time with your homophobic post Bonobo Jul 2013 #184

LOL! You Think He's Dreamy Too? Skraxx Jul 2013 #185

How could I possibly deny it? Bonobo Jul 2013 #190

wouldn't that make you a cheerleading Snowdenobot? Whisp Jul 2013 #172

Call me whatever you want. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #173

Well, I sympathize and ever agree with him... Deep13 Jul 2013 #176

How do you know he didn't intentionally lie? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #177

There is ample reason to believe Snowden did not lie. Maedhros Jul 2013 #192

I guess you are arguing some points...NSA collection of info isn't in question Sheepshank Jul 2013 #204

Snowden may have misinterpreted or inaccurately related some information. Maedhros Jul 2013 #211

Inaccurately related some information = lied. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #214

Not necessarily. "Lie" speaks to motive, about which one can only speculate. Maedhros Jul 2013 #215

"Misspeak" refers to an accidental choice of words..also for which there is no evidence n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #217

Donate to wikileaks, since they're helping him... allin99 Jul 2013 #180

Enthusiastic K&R! I think Snowden is an American hero, a modern day Paul Revere quinnox Jul 2013 #193

I completely support Snowden coming back to the US to explain everything in a public and open.... marble falls Jul 2013 #194

So where do you send the checks? we can do it Jul 2013 #195

I completely think he is a coward baronjake Jul 2013 #196

No way to carry out the mission otherwise marions ghost Jul 2013 #218

You're right LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #219

A message ProSense Jul 2013 #198

Light needs to be shown on whatever big brother does that intrudes upon the liberties enumerated in indepat Jul 2013 #200

Basically apart from all the repug bs, he defended human dignity Mosaic Jul 2013 #201

But.. But.. He's a CHINESE SPY! SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #203

K&R: Well said! caseymoz Jul 2013 #206

Nope not at all.. I completely support no one.. period.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #207

I COMPLETELY SUPPORT PRESIDENT OBAMA rury Jul 2013 #212

Dafuq I just read? NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #228

Excellent post NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #225

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #226

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Jul 2013 #229

K&R Thank you. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #237