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OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
120. This corroborates Snowden's claim.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:50 PM
Jul 2013

From March, 2008.

http://www.whistleblower.org/program-areas/homeland-security-a-human-rights/surveillance/fisababak-pasdar

For civil liberties advocates, the first week of March 2008 wasn’t shaping up very well. For months, the House of Representatives had
been wrangling to work out a compromise bill for a pressing issue – anti-terrorist spying legislation. That political hot-button
guaranteed a tremendous amount of media coverage, as the bill represents Congress’ response to the “domestic spying” scandal
plastered on the front pages of newspapers for years – proof that the Bush administration had violated the privacy rights of American
citizens by circumventing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requirements to secure judicial warrants to target monitor
citizen’s communications.

~snip~

That’s when GAP helped our client, Babak Pasdar, educate our representatives on the full scope of what information certain telecoms
provided to the Bush administration. In a word – everything. Pasdar’s disclosures shocked Congress, and delayed the vote.

The “Quantico Circuit”

Pasdar, a experienced computer expert, was hired as a contractor to do security work for a major telecommunications company. In
doing so, he discovered a mysterious “Quantico Circuit” at the company’s facility (media sources identified the telecom as Verizon).
The circuit, linked to Quantico, VA, provided the federal government unfettered access to all of that company’s customer mobile phone
communications – all calls, emails, text messages, internet use, videos, billings, and even customer locations. However, the line was
configured so no record of what was being tapped by the government existed.


Pasdar stated that logs should be kept of what was recorded, but he was quickly moved off the project. When the telecommunications
immunity vote seemed imminent, he knew he had to expose his finding to the country before judgment was passed. How could any
immunity be reasonable, or just, if the full violations were not known? Pasdar sought help from GAP.


http://www.themediaconsortium.com/reporting/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/affidavit-bp-final.pdf

My name is Babak Pasdar, President and CEO of Bat Blue Corporation. I have given this affidavit to
Thomas Devine, who has identified himself as the legal director of the Government Accountability
Project, without any threats, inducements or coercion.

I have been a technologist in the computer and computer security industry for the past nineteen years
and am a "Certified Ethical Hacker" (E-Commerce Consultants International Council.) I have worked
with many enterprise organizations, telecommunications carriers, as well as small and medium sized
organizations in consulting, designing, implementing, troubleshooting, and managing security systems.
This statement is to make a record ofmy concerns about the privacy implications for our society from
what I personally witnessed at a major telecommunications carrier, as summarized below.

~snip~

Our plan that evening was to migrate a set of users to the new firewall, and then determine if and how it
impacted access and functionality. We started testing and, all-in-all, the small users test migration went
very well. The test went so well that we then set out to migrate over 300 sites that were carrier owned
or affiliate locations. These 300 or so sites were mostly sales offices. We migrated the locations by
redirecting their traffic to the new firewalls. All was going extremely well. As the night went on you
could feel the relief taking over the anxiousness everyone had felt earlier.

At one point I overheard C1 and C2 talkfng about skipping a location. Not wanting to do a shoddy job
I stopped and said "we should migrate all sites."

C1 told me this site is different.

I asked, "Who is it? Carrier owned or affiliate?"

C1 said, "This is the 'Quantico Circuit.'''

I remember that he paused and looked at me as did C2. I inquired, "Quantico, Virginia? Is this a store
location?"

C1 responded, "No."

"Is it what I think it is?", I asked.

C1 did not reply but just smiled. It was a very telling smile and I knew we were discussing something
unusual.

"What kind of circuit is it?", I asked.

"A DS-3," replied C1. (A DS-3 is a 45 mega bit per second circuit that supports data and voice
communications.)

C1 said that this circuit should not have any access control. He actually said it should not be
firewalled.


I suggested to migrate it and implement an "Any-Any" rule. ("Any-Any" is a nickname for a
completely open policy that does not enforce any restrictions.) That meant we could log any activity
making a record ofthe source, destination and type of communication. It would have also allowed
easy implementation of access controls at a future date. "Everything at the least SHOULD be logged," I
emphasized.

C1 said, "I don't think that is what they want."

"Who?", I asked, and again C1 and C2 did not respond.

C2 by this point had stepped back and his body language showed that he was very uncomfortable
discussing this matter.

"Come on guys, let's just do it and ask for forgiveness later. You know its the right thing." I suggested.

C1 and C2 did not want to comply. Instead they got on the phone with DS who asked me to stop what I
was doing and move on. To my surprise, he then drove the one hour or so to the data center.

The tentative, uncertain DS I had known was transformed into a man wagging his finger in my face and
telling me to "forget about the circuit" and "move on" with the migration, and ifI couldn't do that then
he would get someone who would.

I politely and in a low-key manner informed DS that my intention was to deliver security in line with
industry-acceptable use scenarios, and although I am not intimately familiar with their security policy,
it was reasonable to think that having a third party with completely open access to their network core
was against organizational policy.


DS did not want to hear any of it and re-doubled his emphatic message to move on. This was serious
stuff. He had let me know in no uncertain terms that I was treading above my pay grade.

When DS left, I asked C1 again, "Is this what I think it is?"

"What do you think?", he replied again, smiling.

I shifted the focus. "Forgetting about who it is, don't you think it is unusual for some third party to have
completely open access to your systems like this? You guys are even firewalling your internal offices,
and they are part of your own company!"


C1 said, "Dude, that's what they want."

I didn't bother asking who "they" were this time. "They" now had a surrogate face - DS. That told me
that "they" went all the way to the top, which was why the once uncertain DS could now be so sure and
emphatic.

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one must fight an evil empire where one can according to ability eh? nt msongs Jul 2013 #1
There are so few. kentuck Jul 2013 #2
Of Course BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #41
He did the right thing, he will suffer for doing it. Autumn Jul 2013 #3
Unreservedly so. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #4
I thought this wasn't about him? Recursion Jul 2013 #5
That game works both ways. Bonobo Jul 2013 #8
Fair enough. I can't say much about him because I'm only about 85% convinced he exists at this point Recursion Jul 2013 #10
I have no idea what that means (except literally) Bonobo Jul 2013 #12
I rate my confidence at about 85% that "Edward Snowden" is a real person Recursion Jul 2013 #14
I must admit. Bonobo Jul 2013 #17
The only footage of him is that produced video Recursion Jul 2013 #20
Creative marions ghost Jul 2013 #40
No, he had direct contact with a reporter from a Hong Kong newspaper, the South China totodeinhere Jul 2013 #54
Thank you. I didn't realize that interview was face to face Recursion Jul 2013 #56
He did a 'face to face' interview with a newspaper... Blanks Jul 2013 #158
Booz Allen Hamilton confirmed he worked for them; the US government put out arrest warrants muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #144
"But that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion of him." Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #22
Shouted down? Bonobo Jul 2013 #24
I actually don't have a problem with a vigorous discussion about Snowden Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #35
So let's agree that: Bonobo Jul 2013 #36
It's still not about him... kentuck Jul 2013 #52
Then you're completely opposed to the premise of the OP. baldguy Jul 2013 #81
But he finds him honorable because of what he did.... kentuck Jul 2013 #124
well said. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #231
The problem with Snowden is gholtron Jul 2013 #162
The problem with your reply is LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #205
You're right that I'm hung up on law. gholtron Jul 2013 #208
People do, citizens do LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #210
My morality may be different from yours gholtron Jul 2013 #223
I'm hung up on law too, and I can't imagine how Progressive dog Jul 2013 #213
What court? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #220
I didn't know Nelson Mandela lived in the USA and Progressive dog Jul 2013 #221
So its just Americans that run from the State that are cowards? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #227
Whose laws did Snowden run from, South Africa? LOL Progressive dog Jul 2013 #230
Manning broke the law gholtron Jul 2013 #224
Things you can't unsee Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #44
Well, your first message reply out of the gate cheapdate Jul 2013 #86
That is NOT shouting someone down. Bonobo Jul 2013 #100
And you'd be an expert on shouting down wouldn't you? Blanks Jul 2013 #160
Blanks... Bonobo Jul 2013 #161
If Snowden had remained anonymous; it would have given you more time... Blanks Jul 2013 #175
Do you think an anonymous leaker would really have credibility? Bonobo Jul 2013 #178
An anonymous leaker would be trying to hide. Blanks Jul 2013 #191
You can't be shooting blanks LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #209
Lets see if I follow your exquisite reasoning... Blanks Jul 2013 #216
You know what they say about ASSUMING LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #222
I can't tell you what the motivations of MLK, Ghandi etc... Blanks Jul 2013 #232
It was accurate. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #110
It was bullshit. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #153
Screaming that it's BS doesn't make it any less accurate. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #154
Screaming "it's accurate" doesn't make it so, either. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #155
I am not the one with issues about whats being said Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #156
Ok... Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #157
he was not incorrect about direct access questionseverything Jul 2013 #233
.... questionseverything Jul 2013 #234
It wasn't, but the defenders of the Surveillance state made it about him, so now they sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #106
Of course you do RobertEarl Jul 2013 #6
I keep seeing Dorothy's dog pulling away the curtain of the Great and Powerful Oz. Gregorian Jul 2013 #7
AMERICA..LOVE IT OR.. Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #9
I agree. Thank you for the post. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #11
Abso-freaking-lutely. hifiguy Jul 2013 #13
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #15
Did Snowden make the country safer with his revelations? Zorro Jul 2013 #16
Time will tell. Bonobo Jul 2013 #18
To answer that you first have to answer truebluegreen Jul 2013 #19
The issue doesn't have to be about safety. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #59
Hear, hear. woo me with science Jul 2013 #21
This will be a good bookmark for when Ed goes down. Get the whole Fan Club in one spot. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #23
"Have at thee!" Bonobo Jul 2013 #26
That's what NSA says about DU. Octafish Jul 2013 #122
Can you imagine the CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #25
If the issue were regarding NSA surveillance... Bonobo Jul 2013 #28
I disagree. I don't think his motives are as honorable as you believe. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #37
Oh please, ProSense Jul 2013 #27
"He invented most of his claims." Bonobo Jul 2013 #29
No, ProSense Jul 2013 #32
Well Snowden claims proof about direct access is coming Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #38
He didn't invent any claims about Prism. Bonobo Jul 2013 #47
You ProSense Jul 2013 #51
Reductionism. Bonobo Jul 2013 #55
Can't answer the question, huh? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #62
It was Bonobo Jul 2013 #63
You said: "If the Powerpoint was inaccurate about the 'direct' access, it was not his doing." ProSense Jul 2013 #69
OK then Bonobo Jul 2013 #74
It appears they use contractors for the direct access to servers. reusrename Jul 2013 #97
he was not wrong about direct access questionseverything Jul 2013 #236
"He invented most his claims", yet other countries are upset and Obama is willing to discuss....... Logical Jul 2013 #31
And ProSense Jul 2013 #34
Your attempts to derail with reductionistic, unanswerable, pointless questions. Bonobo Jul 2013 #65
LOL: "unanswerable" ProSense Jul 2013 #70
Link. Bonobo Jul 2013 #75
Maybe ProSense Jul 2013 #78
I'm the one laughing. Bonobo Jul 2013 #89
No, ProSense Jul 2013 #127
And his claims are supported by facts. Bonobo Jul 2013 #129
This corroborates Snowden's claim. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #120
See Reply 120. nt OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #139
Yes, it is a sign of other things than opportunism. You think all other countries are craven muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #145
+1 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #143
Come on.... micraphone Jul 2013 #45
Maybe, ProSense Jul 2013 #60
Definitely micraphone Jul 2013 #66
Except, apparently, for Venezuela's government (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #107
If Venezuela will be his new home, he will be spied on every minute! Amonester Jul 2013 #138
# L0oniX Jul 2013 #235
Not me - the smell of Bush op has been mighty from day one. blm Jul 2013 #30
Finally, someone who gets it. Avalux Jul 2013 #33
Thank You For Sharing Your Thoughts cantbeserious Jul 2013 #39
No! These People are Hero's. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #42
So, tell me how Snowden could "run towards the danger" NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #46
As Hunter Thompson said: Bonobo Jul 2013 #50
Yeah....saw that somewhere. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #71
I thought you sounded sleepy. Bonobo Jul 2013 #77
Leakers are leakers when they can prove with tangible evidence what they claim is true. Amonester Jul 2013 #58
Can you prove he sold the documents? If not, you can't even hold NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #64
And I'm not self-proclaiming myself a leaker or whistleblower... Amonester Jul 2013 #68
No Tangible Evidence? NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #76
That's not tangible evidence that the NSA *spies illegally* on US. Amonester Jul 2013 #87
Well it depends on your definition of legality NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #92
The USSC disagrees with you. baldguy Jul 2013 #94
USSC has not ruled on FISA's use of the "special needs" provision to justify universal data mining NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #98
"Right" & "legal" are two different things. You said that FISA is illegal when in fact it IS legal. baldguy Jul 2013 #105
I didnt say "FISA IS ILLEGAL" . reread what I actually said. NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #111
You tied yourself up in semantic knots. baldguy Jul 2013 #112
Not if you can read English NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #126
Furthermore, regarding legality---read this from breaking news NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #199
Did you know about this? Yes or no? Bonobo Jul 2013 #79
Yes, and did you know about this? Yes or no? Amonester Jul 2013 #96
Absolutely. So we both knew about both things... Bonobo Jul 2013 #99
I think he is lying about the direct access because he can brag all he wants Amonester Jul 2013 #103
But the link I gave you SHOWS evidence of direct access. Bonobo Jul 2013 #104
That evidence was before the Senate vote Amonester Jul 2013 #113
So you think then that the access was cut off? Bonobo Jul 2013 #116
If there was nothing ridiculous about his claim of direct access Amonester Jul 2013 #119
Those are really speculative questions. Bonobo Jul 2013 #121
They might have direct access, but they now have very strict rules to abide to Amonester Jul 2013 #130
I strongly disagree with the assertion of "strict rules" Bonobo Jul 2013 #131
Out of over 300 million people, 1,800 requests Amonester Jul 2013 #135
Except they are 1,800 requests that cover tens of millions of people. Bonobo Jul 2013 #140
Take a look at this OP: Amonester Jul 2013 #141
Apples to Oranges sheshe2 Jul 2013 #67
Please--- "Standing like a man"? You're appealing to emotions NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #202
Many people can be heroes simultaneously. Bonobo Jul 2013 #49
Are you kidding? Those people can go home at night. Snowden took a giant hit for his country. Gregorian Jul 2013 #88
I questioned his motives (who are his customers, who is paying his way, etc.) and was called a AlinPA Jul 2013 #43
Ed was a citizen, he knew what the price would be... BornLooser Jul 2013 #53
And I say that people that cannot Bonobo Jul 2013 #61
Read it again... kentuck Jul 2013 #72
My bad. I misread it. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #73
Buzzinga!!! BornLooser Jul 2013 #148
Of course you do. BornLooser Jul 2013 #147
I am going to bookmark this. kentuck Jul 2013 #57
I support what he did. Apophis Jul 2013 #80
Then, let me tell you about this bridge I have for sale... baldguy Jul 2013 #82
Great joke. Bonobo Jul 2013 #83
Not nearly as good as the joke in the OP. baldguy Jul 2013 #84
You're about as fresh as Milton Berle. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #91
Eddie certainly needs all the love he can get railsback Jul 2013 #85
He did a very brave thing, no doubt. 99Forever Jul 2013 #90
Grounding/Searching Morales plane smelled very Bush Admin too Hydra Jul 2013 #115
I am grateful for the truths he has exposed marions ghost Jul 2013 #93
good point..heroic action of civil disobedience..and great op, i feel the same way xiamiam Jul 2013 #114
thanks marions ghost Jul 2013 #164
At the VERY VERY LEAST he has forced a discussion on an issue that is central to our ability to Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #95
^^^^this^^^^ ...that's what matters. L0oniX Jul 2013 #181
I am COMPLETELY bored with this whole topic. classof56 Jul 2013 #101
Your boredom is precisely what some people want. Bonobo Jul 2013 #102
i have to agree with you... madrchsod Jul 2013 #136
I am close to 60 and I am finding it absolutely fascinating. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #197
I think Edward Snowden has been extremely brave - if everything we Swagman Jul 2013 #108
yep! wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #109
Agreed G_j Jul 2013 #117
Ditto! DesertDiamond Jul 2013 #118
I agree, Bonobo. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #123
Snowden stands for what the country was built on. Octafish Jul 2013 #125
Face it,...some people are slathering over Snowden... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #128
I don't have any idea what that post is meant to mean. Bonobo Jul 2013 #132
A lot of Liberals are DESPERATE for a hero,...but they're also fickle.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #137
Actually, Their Desperate for Anyone They Think Is Going To Destroy Obama Skraxx Jul 2013 #170
Naw,...Obama was a fling for them but they don't want to destroy him.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #174
that's why i voted for him again in 2012.. frylock Jul 2013 #179
Sure You Did! Skraxx Jul 2013 #183
yeh, i'm lying.. frylock Jul 2013 #186
I Love Pics! Please Share! Skraxx Jul 2013 #187
here's your picture.. frylock Jul 2013 #188
That's You? You're Cool! Skraxx Jul 2013 #189
Lot's of people agree. He should be pardoned limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #133
K&R midnight Jul 2013 #134
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #142
And I do not. stlsaxman Jul 2013 #146
Martin Luther King, Jr. is a hero. As are Rosa Parks and Edward R. Murrow... VOX Jul 2013 #149
Kicked & Recommended In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #150
Of course you do. great white snark Jul 2013 #151
I think he's paranoid, like many teabaggers BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #152
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #159
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #163
Edward Snowden: Hero of The People, Enemy of The State Towlie Jul 2013 #165
totally off base think_critically Jul 2013 #166
Kick Scuba Jul 2013 #167
A-Fucking-Men! Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #168
LOL! Oh, He's So Dreamy! Skraxx Jul 2013 #169
Boy you got me! Bonobo Jul 2013 #171
No! I Get It! He's Superman and Batman All Rolled Into One! Skraxx Jul 2013 #182
No you were right the first time with your homophobic post Bonobo Jul 2013 #184
LOL! You Think He's Dreamy Too? Skraxx Jul 2013 #185
How could I possibly deny it? Bonobo Jul 2013 #190
wouldn't that make you a cheerleading Snowdenobot? Whisp Jul 2013 #172
Call me whatever you want. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #173
Well, I sympathize and ever agree with him... Deep13 Jul 2013 #176
How do you know he didn't intentionally lie? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #177
There is ample reason to believe Snowden did not lie. Maedhros Jul 2013 #192
I guess you are arguing some points...NSA collection of info isn't in question Sheepshank Jul 2013 #204
Snowden may have misinterpreted or inaccurately related some information. Maedhros Jul 2013 #211
Inaccurately related some information = lied. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #214
Not necessarily. "Lie" speaks to motive, about which one can only speculate. Maedhros Jul 2013 #215
"Misspeak" refers to an accidental choice of words..also for which there is no evidence n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #217
Donate to wikileaks, since they're helping him... allin99 Jul 2013 #180
Enthusiastic K&R! I think Snowden is an American hero, a modern day Paul Revere quinnox Jul 2013 #193
I completely support Snowden coming back to the US to explain everything in a public and open.... marble falls Jul 2013 #194
So where do you send the checks? we can do it Jul 2013 #195
I completely think he is a coward baronjake Jul 2013 #196
No way to carry out the mission otherwise marions ghost Jul 2013 #218
You're right LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #219
A message ProSense Jul 2013 #198
Light needs to be shown on whatever big brother does that intrudes upon the liberties enumerated in indepat Jul 2013 #200
Basically apart from all the repug bs, he defended human dignity Mosaic Jul 2013 #201
But.. But.. He's a CHINESE SPY! SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #203
K&R: Well said! caseymoz Jul 2013 #206
Nope not at all.. I completely support no one.. period.. Peacetrain Jul 2013 #207
I COMPLETELY SUPPORT PRESIDENT OBAMA rury Jul 2013 #212
Dafuq I just read? NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #228
Excellent post NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #225
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #226
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Jul 2013 #229
K&R Thank you. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #237
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