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In reply to the discussion: Why do people keep bringing up the treatment of Manning in a military prison re: Snowden? [View all]struggle4progress
(126,066 posts)126. Statement by the President on H.R. 1540 (December 31, 2011)
... The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists. Over the last several years, my Administration has developed an effective, sustainable framework for the detention, interrogation and trial of suspected terrorists that allows us to maximize both our ability to collect intelligence and to incapacitate dangerous individuals in rapidly developing situations, and the results we have achieved are undeniable. Our success against al-Qa'ida and its affiliates and adherents has derived in significant measure from providing our counterterrorism professionals with the clarity and flexibility they need to adapt to changing circumstances and to utilize whichever authorities best protect the American people, and our accomplishments have respected the values that make our country an example for the world.
Against that record of success, some in Congress continue to insist upon restricting the options available to our counterterrorism professionals and interfering with the very operations that have kept us safe. My Administration has consistently opposed such measures. Ultimately, I decided to sign this bill not only because of the critically important services it provides for our forces and their families and the national security programs it authorizes, but also because the Congress revised provisions that otherwise would have jeopardized the safety, security, and liberty of the American people. Moving forward, my Administration will interpret and implement the provisions described below in a manner that best preserves the flexibility on which our safety depends and upholds the values on which this country was founded.
Section 1021 affirms the executive branch's authority to detain persons covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). This section breaks no new ground and is unnecessary. The authority it describes was included in the 2001 AUMF, as recognized by the Supreme Court and confirmed through lower court decisions since then. Two critical limitations in section 1021 confirm that it solely codifies established authorities. First, under section 1021(d), the bill does not "limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force." Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any "existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF. Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.
Section 1022 seeks to require military custody for a narrow category of non-citizen detainees who are "captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force." This section is ill-conceived and will do nothing to improve the security of the United States. The executive branch already has the authority to detain in military custody those members of al-Qa'ida who are captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the AUMF, and as Commander in Chief I have directed the military to do so where appropriate. I reject any approach that would mandate military custody where law enforcement provides the best method of incapacitating a terrorist threat. While section 1022 is unnecessary and has the potential to create uncertainty, I have signed the bill because I believe that this section can be interpreted and applied in a manner that avoids undue harm to our current operations.
I have concluded that section 1022 provides the minimally acceptable amount of flexibility to protect national security. Specifically, I have signed this bill on the understanding that section 1022 provides the executive branch with broad authority to determine how best to implement it, and with the full and unencumbered ability to waive any military custody requirement, including the option of waiving appropriate categories of cases when doing so is in the national security interests of the United States. As my Administration has made clear, the only responsible way to combat the threat al-Qa'ida poses is to remain relentlessly practical, guided by the factual and legal complexities of each case and the relative strengths and weaknesses of each system. Otherwise, investigations could be compromised, our authorities to hold dangerous individuals could be jeopardized, and intelligence could be lost. I will not tolerate that result, and under no circumstances will my Administration accept or adhere to a rigid across-the-board requirement for military detention. I will therefore interpret and implement section 1022 in the manner that best preserves the same flexible approach that has served us so well for the past 3 years and that protects the ability of law enforcement professionals to obtain the evidence and cooperation they need to protect the Nation ...
Against that record of success, some in Congress continue to insist upon restricting the options available to our counterterrorism professionals and interfering with the very operations that have kept us safe. My Administration has consistently opposed such measures. Ultimately, I decided to sign this bill not only because of the critically important services it provides for our forces and their families and the national security programs it authorizes, but also because the Congress revised provisions that otherwise would have jeopardized the safety, security, and liberty of the American people. Moving forward, my Administration will interpret and implement the provisions described below in a manner that best preserves the flexibility on which our safety depends and upholds the values on which this country was founded.
Section 1021 affirms the executive branch's authority to detain persons covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). This section breaks no new ground and is unnecessary. The authority it describes was included in the 2001 AUMF, as recognized by the Supreme Court and confirmed through lower court decisions since then. Two critical limitations in section 1021 confirm that it solely codifies established authorities. First, under section 1021(d), the bill does not "limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force." Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any "existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF. Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.
Section 1022 seeks to require military custody for a narrow category of non-citizen detainees who are "captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force." This section is ill-conceived and will do nothing to improve the security of the United States. The executive branch already has the authority to detain in military custody those members of al-Qa'ida who are captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the AUMF, and as Commander in Chief I have directed the military to do so where appropriate. I reject any approach that would mandate military custody where law enforcement provides the best method of incapacitating a terrorist threat. While section 1022 is unnecessary and has the potential to create uncertainty, I have signed the bill because I believe that this section can be interpreted and applied in a manner that avoids undue harm to our current operations.
I have concluded that section 1022 provides the minimally acceptable amount of flexibility to protect national security. Specifically, I have signed this bill on the understanding that section 1022 provides the executive branch with broad authority to determine how best to implement it, and with the full and unencumbered ability to waive any military custody requirement, including the option of waiving appropriate categories of cases when doing so is in the national security interests of the United States. As my Administration has made clear, the only responsible way to combat the threat al-Qa'ida poses is to remain relentlessly practical, guided by the factual and legal complexities of each case and the relative strengths and weaknesses of each system. Otherwise, investigations could be compromised, our authorities to hold dangerous individuals could be jeopardized, and intelligence could be lost. I will not tolerate that result, and under no circumstances will my Administration accept or adhere to a rigid across-the-board requirement for military detention. I will therefore interpret and implement section 1022 in the manner that best preserves the same flexible approach that has served us so well for the past 3 years and that protects the ability of law enforcement professionals to obtain the evidence and cooperation they need to protect the Nation ...
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Why do people keep bringing up the treatment of Manning in a military prison re: Snowden? [View all]
Recursion
Jul 2013
OP
I wonder if Manny has links to some documentation which backs up his accusation.
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2013
#8
So the answer is "yes, he can be put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life"
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2013
#19
If he were convicted and sentenced to life in prison, and the prison regulations allowed that
Recursion
Jul 2013
#43
Yes, despite the fact that the MILITARY'S OWN PSYCHIATRIST said he wasn't a suicide risk! n/t
markpkessinger
Jul 2013
#40
Actually, there were several psychiatrists involved, including one who not long before
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#49
Bullshit. He was treated that way by military personnel because they viewed him
JaneyVee
Jul 2013
#28
Who, exactly, is the commander in chief, the top dog, the head honcho, of the military?
ret5hd
Jul 2013
#77
So will there be any courts-martial for that gross violation of human rights
HardTimes99
Jul 2013
#183
They need to excuse the assholes treason. Obama is guilty of following the law
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#3
Well, the 2012 version only applies to persons identified as members of Al Qaeda
Recursion
Jul 2013
#94
Why don't you find in the NDAA the exact section that you think could be used
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#50
The bill was hundreds of pages long. I suspect the poster never bothered to read
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#86
Stop spreading disinformation. Section 1021 outlines indefinite detention, not 1022.
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#113
You're the one claiming there's some law allowing the indefinite detention of US Citizens
Recursion
Jul 2013
#153
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody
Demit
Jul 2013
#177
Stop spreading disinformation. No. 1021 is for indefinite detention,
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#111
That's exactly what I posted, only I didn't make stuff up about it like you did
Recursion
Jul 2013
#112
Yes. You're claiming there is some law that allows the indefinite detention of US citizens
Recursion
Jul 2013
#141
So, we're agreed no law allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens? Great.
Recursion
Jul 2013
#171
No, the point is that Americans are not clearly exempted from indefinite detention,
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#173
So, Section 1021 turned up empty for you, and now you're just saying there's a generic "danger"?
Recursion
Jul 2013
#174
Well, Snowden can always end in Gitmo. Not sure if I would consider THAT an improvement over
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#12
Yes. What he is most likely will end up in is a solitary confinement, not much better than Gitmo.
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#34
I know. It will be a solitary more likely and not better than what Manning had to go though.
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#35
He was in solitary while he was on suicide watch. This is a problem with military prisons in general
Recursion
Jul 2013
#48
I too am troubled that his request for a private unmonitored interview was denied
Recursion
Jul 2013
#125
I also think that Manning is getting a raw deal. It was he who brought the attention
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2013
#29
Sigh. He released a video that confirmed the military's finding that the attack was within the R.O.E
Recursion
Jul 2013
#54
Can't help but laugh at "Snowden would likely have been charged and released on bail".
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#64
Because when you go to the effort of keeping secret decisions based on secret laws made by secret
dkf
Jul 2013
#79
That's why I can't help but laugh at complete absurdity and hypocrisy of their posts.
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#180
Those are allowed by the rules of military prisons. Those rules should probaby be changed
Recursion
Jul 2013
#99
Well hell, we don't know that they didn't download his brain into a giant computer
Recursion
Jul 2013
#134
As I've said several times, his treatment was found to be illegal by a court
Recursion
Jul 2013
#151
And a judge held the law was broken, and came very close to setting him free
Recursion
Jul 2013
#150
No, that's established case law now. There wasn't case law on this before Padilla
Recursion
Jul 2013
#162
*shrug* Like I said, I can think of a million ways the government could screw us if it ignored law
Recursion
Jul 2013
#166
Because Obama is a power-mad dictator who likes to murder his enemies bare-handed.
baldguy
Jul 2013
#67
Does that mean you do not believe if caught, they might not consider tossing him in a
Drew Richards
Jul 2013
#81
Well I will have to go look it up but if he is possibly charged with treason I believe his
Drew Richards
Jul 2013
#102
Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but given our recent use of things like rendition
Arcanetrance
Jul 2013
#82
He will have all the rights and protections any accused federal felon has.
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#93
Yeah, after all there's no chance of a civilian ending up in a military prison without trial...
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#137
As a person who has family and friends in prison. Bradley Manning was not tortured any more
bravenak
Jul 2013
#138
You are 100% correct. Instead he can be charged under a whole suite of SECRET laws, we, he AND...
TheMadMonk
Jul 2013
#169
A little Carribean vacation resort known as Gitmo. Numerous reports on prisoner treatment...
TheMadMonk
Jul 2013
#179