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Blue_In_AK

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81. Yes, I remember.

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 02:16 AM

Jul 2013

I first became aware of the UA's when I worked corrections back in the early '80s. The PTB's were thrilled that they finally had a way to pop the inmates that they KNEW were getting weed into the prison. Prison was also where I first heard about AIDS. I remember one of the inmates saying to me that they were the guinea pigs for "the Man" to try things out on before bringing the measures to the wider public. Sure enough, before I knew it, workplace UA's became commonplace and everyone knew about AIDS.

Now, we're all under constant surveillance with our phone calls being monitored just as if we were all criminals ... or at least potential criminals. Prophetic.

Ed. Yes, it's probably better for everyone's health that smoking cigarettes has been restricted in public places, but I certainly see your point about our "freedoms."

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Can you remember when you were allowed to smoke on planes? [View all] kentuck Jul 2013 OP

The smoking is a question of balancing rights Recursion Jul 2013 #1

I was very ill from cigar smoke on a Chicago-Miami flight the night before Super Bowl. Coyotl Jul 2013 #2

I'm horribly allergic to it Warpy Jul 2013 #3

No, you aren't Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #58

It triggers bronchospasm. Warpy Jul 2013 #66

That doesn't make it an allergy. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #74

Yes, but when you call it an intolerance MurrayDelph Jul 2013 #85

+1 nt Javaman Jul 2013 #103

Read up on it, cowboy Warpy Jul 2013 #88

I have Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #89

Wow KentuckyWoman Jul 2013 #92

I'm saying there's no such thing as an allergy to tobacco smoke. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #94

I used to be a practicing respiratory therapist. We even called it an allergy Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #96

+1 nt Javaman Jul 2013 #102

The Mayo Clinic seems to think that "nickel allergy" is a reall allergy FarCenter Jul 2013 #111

I'm so tired of that tobacco industry bullshit. hunter Jul 2013 #131

It was disgusting on a plane. Sick. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #4

I remember a flight from Hawaii to Denver in 1977. You could smoke in the rear of the plane. likesmountains 52 Jul 2013 #5

Questioned homegirl Jul 2013 #68

Even when I used to smoke I couldn't stand it and always asked for the no smoking section. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #6

Yes. Planes, hospitals (in rooms w/o oxygen), offices, grocery stores, etc. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #7

Nobody should be forced to inhale secondhand smoke as a condition of employment. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #19

let the record show CreekDog Jul 2013 #79

wow frylock Jul 2013 #51

why should anybody stand up for you? CreekDog Jul 2013 #78

Oh for pete's sake back at cha... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #83

What you "actually typed" was LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #101

One place you could never smoke SCantiGOP Jul 2013 #119

We coughed a lot! hedgehog Jul 2013 #126

You could smoke in a movie theater. I did in the '70s. n/t RebelOne Jul 2013 #134

I'd end up spending the night in the hospital. hunter Jul 2013 #140

I won't stand up for you. Apophis Jul 2013 #157

You're honestly mad that you have to walk outside the HOSPITAL to smoke??? Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #170

I did not say that. I wish folks would pay attention to the actual words typed and not make up stuff Tx4obama Jul 2013 #174

"They came after our smoking rights and not enough people stood up", frowny frown. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #175

What was in my comment subject line was an extended list... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #177

there is no right to poison other people with toxic fumes. one is perfectly free to posion msongs Jul 2013 #8

Although I agree with your opinion... kentuck Jul 2013 #14

Perhaps curlyred Jul 2013 #17

Also inurement Bibliovore Jul 2013 #84

Tell that to trucks. robinlynne Jul 2013 #49

in my state they have been trying to clean up truck pollution CreekDog Jul 2013 #80

You btter invest in a good gas mask then. There are such things as cars, buses, napi21 Jul 2013 #59

And they are all outside, which is exactly where smokers belong too. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #172

Our air, food & water are poisoned by corporations every single day. bunnies Jul 2013 #120

1999....flight to Cairo...I flew on Egypt Air ...you could smoke in the back of the plane. HipChick Jul 2013 #9

I'm so glad they stopped indoor smoking here. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #10

Smoking on planes was causing health problems for the flight attendants The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #11

Do they have rights if they choose a job that allows it? Ter Jul 2013 #128

Yes, they do. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #163

Smoking presents a serious flight hazard. Mister Ed Jul 2013 #12

You're absolutely correct. NOTHING is wowrse than an onboard fire, but.... napi21 Jul 2013 #61

Rare, but not unheard of, to lose a plane to fire caused by cigarette. Mister Ed Jul 2013 #91

That's like saying you should never permit natural gas to heat homes or napi21 Jul 2013 #190

Incrementalism. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #13

When I'm choking on the smoke from some hammerhead's cigarette, Aristus Jul 2013 #15

I am very glad the freedom to breath non-smoky air has been given to me in so many places. Seatbelts uppityperson Jul 2013 #16

Yes, and it was horrible. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #18

Yes, I flew to Portugal Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #20

:) nilram Jul 2013 #45

I flew to Europe twice in the '80s and you could smoke. RebelOne Jul 2013 #135

even though I smoked back then I never smoked on plane Skittles Jul 2013 #21

I think I was still at the candy cigarette stage of my addiction back then. bluedigger Jul 2013 #22

yup, I remember my first business trip, in 1987 markiv Jul 2013 #23

Yes, I do remember the days. janlyn Jul 2013 #24

Yes! Just Saying Jul 2013 #25

Separate smoking areas did not even come in until the late 70's - even in hospital cafeterias Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #26

I once had a couple sitting in the smoking section complain about my smoking. sweetloukillbot Jul 2013 #73

But you gotta admit that post-mile-high club cigarette was extra satisfying Blue Owl Jul 2013 #27

Gross! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #28

I won't mention his name - since that might be interpreted as unfairly calling someone out Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #29

What a crock. Smoking indoors is an assault on other people's lungs. pnwmom Jul 2013 #30

What is my "argument"? kentuck Jul 2013 #33

That banning the release of toxic particulates into the air diminishes people's "rights." pnwmom Jul 2013 #34

No. kentuck Jul 2013 #39

It wasn't the beginning. The first law that said you can't punch someone in the face pnwmom Jul 2013 #43

+1 nt Javaman Jul 2013 #106

Here's an argument: Hissyspit Jul 2013 #38

Agreed. I am GRATEFUL that those particular "rights" were curtailed! calimary Jul 2013 #48

Second hand smoke is disgusting. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #31

yes. and in stores and business offices and lots of places. i actually find the crowded HiPointDem Jul 2013 #32

This ole man donco Jul 2013 #35

OMG, that was awful. noamnety Jul 2013 #36

OMG - ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #37

Wrong. Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #86

Spoken like a true Ron Paul supporter. Forget those environmental regulations geek tragedy Jul 2013 #139

Pathetic attempt ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #142

You just said that laws that save lives and protect the health of workers geek tragedy Jul 2013 #143

It is Big Brother if Big Brother is the government. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #145

You're equating laws based on medical science to protect human geek tragedy Jul 2013 #146

yes, it is fear. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #147

Idiotic comparison. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #148

Another pathetic attempt ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #149

Your position is textbook libertarianism. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #152

Come on Kentuck rufus dog Jul 2013 #40

Did you read my post? kentuck Jul 2013 #93

Actually I can. I can also remember when the airlines gave you a little pack of six cigarettes Cleita Jul 2013 #41

I too, flew on "antique planes"..and also remember the piano bar in COACH on 747s SoCalDem Jul 2013 #110

I can remember *being forced* to smoke in planes, in bars, at work and in the restaurant. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #42

I think it was 1998 when we flew to Europe and my daughter age 12 and I were seated in the smoking vanlassie Jul 2013 #44

Yes, and I absolutely HATED it. calimary Jul 2013 #46

I am sick of overlords myself, but knowing what I know now, I would not smoke on a plane, not that I lonestarnot Jul 2013 #47

I am 50 years old and can remember back in the 1980s smoking on planes DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #50

have you ever noticed that smoking in a gambling casino doesn't seem to bother anybody Booster Jul 2013 #52

Guess again. SheilaT Jul 2013 #69

yes. i smoked on a plane as late as 97-98 arely staircase Jul 2013 #53

Agreed. Little by little we're giving it all away. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #54

Thanks! kentuck Jul 2013 #95

You're welcome. The smoke nazis have tunnel vision. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #118

"Smoke nazis"??? And what are you? You want us to ignore medical science about smoking CreekDog Jul 2013 #166

Whatever. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #181

do you wear your seatbelt? CreekDog Jul 2013 #182

Only to stop that incessant beeping. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #185

Ah, you'd wear it sporadically, because wearing it sporadically makes you sporadically safer CreekDog Jul 2013 #186

No, I just don't always remember to put it on. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #187

driving without a seat belt is more dangerous that riding a roller coaster CreekDog Jul 2013 #188

The problem with science is that you're smarter than all that bullshit CreekDog Jul 2013 #189

Exactly my point... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #121

So, you think it's ridiculous to protect the health of people who work in bars geek tragedy Jul 2013 #141

I think the risk is highly exaggerated. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #150

Medical science disagrees with you. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #154

Yeah, they just smoked pipes and cigars and rolled their own. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #158

asdf geek tragedy Jul 2013 #159

It's not a defense of smoker's rights. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #160

Well, some people don't believe in evolution or global warming. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #161

What percentage is that of 300 million? MrSlayer Jul 2013 #169

That's what Bush said about Iraq. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #173

plenty of nonsmokers breathe second hand smoke CreekDog Jul 2013 #165

Again, whatever. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #183

so you're saying why bother since they are predisposed anyway? CreekDog Jul 2013 #184

And restaurants, and offices, and parks...I hated it bhikkhu Jul 2013 #55

I can remember when they gave out sample cigarettes on the planes. Downwinder Jul 2013 #56

I sure do remember when you could smoke on airplanes. The first change was to move the smokers to napi21 Jul 2013 #57

smoke homegirl Jul 2013 #71

I think nonsmokers have every right to breath clean air struggle4progress Jul 2013 #60

i remember. i stopped smoking in DesertFlower Jul 2013 #62

Even my high school had a smoking area - LOL LeftInTX Jul 2013 #63

"Even my high school had a smoking area" KansDem Jul 2013 #105

I remember..... AnneD Jul 2013 #64

It was a Mexicana (or Aero Mexico?) flight out of JFK in about 1994. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #65

NO - it was the ascendance of the rights of those not addicted - not the diminishing of the rights Mira Jul 2013 #67

Exactly, thank you. My right to breath non-smoky air has been improved. However, I think uppityperson Jul 2013 #77

Would be true if what you are doing to your health Mira Jul 2013 #99

What people say here seem to forget that there are other "tolerated" snappyturtle Jul 2013 #107

Valid points. Mira Jul 2013 #114

It sounds as if you have given much thought to others. Kudos! snappyturtle Jul 2013 #115

Should employers be able to dictate diet and exercise also? not uppityperson Jul 2013 #116

Lucky you if the smoke in confined spaces doesn't bother you at all. SheilaT Jul 2013 #70

As a nonsmoker with a hangover, tblue Jul 2013 #72

smoking never bothered you? CreekDog Jul 2013 #75

Last Dec. on a Costa cruise ship, with about 2/3 European passengers No Vested Interest Jul 2013 #76

Yes, I remember. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #81

Stuck in the back of the plane with smoking parents - thought I'd choke SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #82

My favorite encounter with a smoker on a plane Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #87

I remember being able to smoke in applegrove Jul 2013 #90

Remember when we had lead in all our paint? Because it was cheaper? FSogol Jul 2013 #97

We also used to have lead in all our gasoline. nt raccoon Jul 2013 #122

Yup, good times. Cough, cough. n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #124

What year was it when they restricted smoking on shorter flights? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #179

1988!!! Smoking restrictions for flights of 2 hours or less became the law in 1988!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #180

Yes. The "No Smoking" light would come on until you hit like 20,000 or so. JM42 Jul 2013 #98

These days at restaurants I have to go inside BadgerKid Jul 2013 #100

The first time I flew I was 12 years old. Not only could you smoke, cbayer Jul 2013 #104

so you're saying that protecting the staff from smoking is not important as allowing cigarettes? CreekDog Jul 2013 #164

Huh? Where did I say that? cbayer Jul 2013 #167

My hair smelled like smoke because of my smoke-stack coworker Kolesar Jul 2013 #108

I have alway thought that individual rights - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #109

Yup, I sure do.. truebrit71 Jul 2013 #112

I can remember when there was a 4-pack of cigarettes on every dinner tray FarCenter Jul 2013 #113

A lot of you missed the point entirely SmittynMo Jul 2013 #117

Starting by bemoaning the "right" of some asshole to blow smoke all over me Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #123

That's libertarian horseshit. Why not let Dow chemical be "free" to dump shit in the river then? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #138

1978 Flight to Germany telclaven Jul 2013 #125

I remember almost choking to death on all the fumes. Smoking kills. Thank God it was banned. graham4anything Jul 2013 #127

I remember Lurker Deluxe Jul 2013 #129

Yes I do olddots Jul 2013 #130

Smoking on an airplane imposed an unhealthy situation on unwilling bystanders. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #132

According to the smoking libertarians, nonsmokers' rights are not relevant. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #144

like the assult on the freedom to drive how and when anyone wants... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #133

false juxtaposition. unblock Jul 2013 #136

My right to avoid inhaling cancer fumes outweights someone else's right to emit them, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #137

Never WovenGems Jul 2013 #151

I remember airplanes having built-in ashtrays in each seat krispos42 Jul 2013 #153

Yep, I remember fidgeting with the ashtrays in the armrests when I was a kid. Butterbean Jul 2013 #155

Wanting a healthier public atmosphere = erosion of rights? Apophis Jul 2013 #156

I think the erosion of our rights began in the early 1990s with laws requiring bike helmets onenote Jul 2013 #162

You think that's surreal? felix_numinous Jul 2013 #168

No, but I remember when other people were, and the rest of us couldn't fucking escape. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #171

I remember smoking being allowed in the grocery store, the bank, buses... louis-t Jul 2013 #176

Yes. How stupid was that. Whisp Jul 2013 #178