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baldguy

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43. Deliberatly lying to the police is a crime.

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:57 AM

Jul 2013

That's why you can be arrested for filing a false police report, making false accusations, and perjury.

So far, everyone's been running around hysterically screaming "NSA! SPYING! NSA! SPYING! NSA! SPYING! NSA! SPYING! NSA! SPYING!" merely because of Snowden's accusations, when the NSA was doing nothing of the sort. The only "proof" Snowden has offered to support his accusations shows the NSA was NOT spying, and was in fact following the law. I think the fact that he has fled from the US to some of the most repressive countries existing today is indicative of his character & his values.

How is promoting the lies of Snowden to the exclusion of the truth a Democratic value? How is ignoring his character a Democratic value? How is attacking anyone who raises questions about him a Democratic value?

Isn't this the type of shit the Republicans & Tea Baggers have been doing? Andrew Breitbart? James O'Keefe? Glenn Beck? Have you ever heard of those people?

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Does Snowden know Venezuela records and broadcasts activists' phone calls? [View all] uhnope Jul 2013 OP

Snowden will only have one phone call where he's going. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #1

Somehow, I suspect that you have MSNBC on all weekend. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #16

It will be on all the stations when Snowden is taken into custody. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #22

He probably is going to learn that he gave up a lot of his freedom. Cleita Jul 2013 #2

"However, he will be closely monitored" CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #4

No kidding! Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #6

Oh, no doubt. Cleita Jul 2013 #9

Great post. The prison industrial complex is a real issue here, nt uhnope Jul 2013 #11

Snowden's a civilian. He could have lawyered up to the max CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #13

That's not going to happen and you know it. There are going to be no Cleita Jul 2013 #14

If NO ONE was interested, it would mean that CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #17

No, it just means that his posse doesn't have the big bucks to afford them. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #18

Here's One All Set To Go...On Daddy's Dime... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #38

Bruce Fein, who the hell is he, and why would Lonnie Snowden be giving Eric Bolling Cleita Jul 2013 #41

A Constitutional Lawyer...And Daddy's Hired Gun... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #42

There are lawyers who love attention treestar Jul 2013 #66

I hope so. He will need them to get a fair trial n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #68

I don't think it will be all that bad Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #25

He's facing 30 years with just the current charges. The charges will be piled on. In reality, morningfog Jul 2013 #30

From his first interview, he was already aware of that. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #7

Yes, I did see that. Others apparently haven't. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #10

I'm sure that's true. randome Jul 2013 #28

He would be free to live in Venezuela so long as they don't decide to imprison him treestar Jul 2013 #65

I don't think they would imprison him, but someone as high profile as he is Cleita Jul 2013 #67

As an aside, Russia said he could stay with conditions on what he could and couldn't do. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #69

Suspicious isn't it? I just read an article that the press that were at Cleita Jul 2013 #72

He'd be free to live in VZ so long as Maduro is in charge. MADem Jul 2013 #78

K&R The ignorance, shrieking and uninformed hypocracy about all of this has been mortifyiing Number23 Jul 2013 #3

Unbelievably ironic. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #5

"When is his flight?" Number23 Jul 2013 #15

I think he knows because Wikileaks is aware of the bad optics in Venezuela flamingdem Jul 2013 #8

This is a guy who went on and on about the wonderful freedoms of China apples and oranges Jul 2013 #12

It's "Guess the Point" again. Because Venezuela is an authoritarian state you rhett o rick Jul 2013 #19

The US won't torture him either, in my opinion. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #21

And the USofA wont torture the prisoners in Gitmo either I bet. Except most of the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #23

Agree, I would want to stay out of a country that has it's media complex Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #27

Then you would want to stay out of Venezuela, too. randome Jul 2013 #29

Yes, your stating "He doesn't face anything more complicated than a trial" Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #32

How pathetic and telling that even *you* are not certain that he won't be tortured woo me with science Jul 2013 #31

Life in a US prison, especially as a high profile inmate would very probably morningfog Jul 2013 #34

For his own good of course. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #35

If taken alive, Snowden would probably wind up in ADX Florence, the federal Supermax prison kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #75

This ^^^^^^ treestar Jul 2013 #70

in your opinion frylock Jul 2013 #91

Good post. woo me with science Jul 2013 #33

you choose democracy? Snowden doesn't. uhnope Jul 2013 #59

I dont like being called a troll by anyone, esp someone new here. Plez dont bother to respond to me rhett o rick Jul 2013 #61

yeah, get huffy and personal if you can't address the points,,,nt uhnope Jul 2013 #62

Did I get personal? You called me a troll and forfeit further discussion. Go back to Free Republic rhett o rick Jul 2013 #73

funny lame tribalism. And you still haven't addressed any actual points. uhnope Jul 2013 #79

Snowden chose democracy for America. Those that live in denial will not understand rhett o rick Jul 2013 #80

in Snowden's "democracy" he's above the law and pursued by triads uhnope Jul 2013 #81

He broke the law as those at the Boston Tea Party broke the law. The laws are written to protect rhett o rick Jul 2013 #86

The USA is a worse police state than China? Your irrational hatred of the USA is showing. uhnope Jul 2013 #87

China is worse but we rank high. But I bet you love the security of the stong, dominant rhett o rick Jul 2013 #88

Goodbye. Go learn something re dictatorships & police states and wallowing uhnope Jul 2013 #89

. baldguy Jul 2013 #20

hehe yup. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #26

Do you have a point? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #37

And if it was determined you made a false report, you would be prosecuted for that. randome Jul 2013 #39

If I report a crime the police will investigate to see if I am lying. We need to investigate to rhett o rick Jul 2013 #44

I never said the government was 'sweet'. randome Jul 2013 #46

"But there is a bureaucratic maze of safeguards and restrictions in place at the NSA." rhett o rick Jul 2013 #50

The safeguards showing four levels of approvals are pretty good. randome Jul 2013 #53

Why must you insist on ignoring the documents? Why? morningfog Jul 2013 #48

What documents? randome Jul 2013 #55

The ones Snowden says he has, but hasn't released yet. baldguy Jul 2013 #56

Oh. Those documents. randome Jul 2013 #57

Exactly. Are people actually READING what has been released? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #60

Deliberatly lying to the police is a crime. baldguy Jul 2013 #43

Bullcrap. Grayson, Wilson, Wyden, Udall, Plame, Ellsberg, 26 Senators, are not screaming, but rhett o rick Jul 2013 #45

Exactly right. nt uhnope Jul 2013 #64

Well Stated treestar Jul 2013 #71

Lying to Congress is a crime - specifically the crime of perjury kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #82

I love it when more facts come out. Could this Cha Jul 2013 #24

I'm going with: Better than prison. allin99 Jul 2013 #36

maybe.. maybe not. DCBob Jul 2013 #54

Consider this ProSense Jul 2013 #40

R#16 & K n/t UTUSN Jul 2013 #47

I suspect they will take away his computers upon entry... DCBob Jul 2013 #49

Probably, which doesn't speak volumes about what he might know about the USA NoOneMan Jul 2013 #51

He knows he faces life in prison in the US. morningfog Jul 2013 #52

kick Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #58

Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #63

Whatever crap he has to endure in Venezuela it will still be better than this kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #74

Well if its only activists phone calls that's so much more limited than here!!! dkf Jul 2013 #76

Srsly? So it's OK if Venezuela is the "lesser of two evils" in this regard? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #83

I find it ironic. dkf Jul 2013 #85

Hilarity will ensue...! nt MADem Jul 2013 #77

maybe Snowden will hack their system and embarras them somehow. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #84

oh look, a penny frylock Jul 2013 #90

Matt Bors has something to day about that... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #92

SQUIRREL! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #93