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52. According to CNN,

Reply to Voice for Peace (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 09:35 AM

Jul 2013

it will be allowed.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/08/justice/zimmerman-trial-pot-ruling/index.html

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 11, Tuesday, July 9, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

Crime scene reconstruction expert up now. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #1

This man seems very nervous. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #2

Is his name Dexter? Myrina Jul 2013 #8

I don't know how the judge can let this in. There is no way to cross chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #11

The defense produced a cartoon showing Z's version? pokerfan Jul 2013 #16

We have already seen Zimmerman's videotaped explanation of what happened that night... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #133

This pathologist is a joke. Atman Jul 2013 #183

Your calling the world's most renowed pathologist premium Jul 2013 #186

I haven't testified yet. Atman Jul 2013 #189

He didn't help Drew Peterson all that much. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #201

Actually, the ME said he consulted it after the autopsy pintobean Jul 2013 #202

Point taken, premium Jul 2013 #208

Who? Mr. David Jul 2013 #234

Dr. De Maio, he wrote the book on modern pathology. nt. premium Jul 2013 #241

"Your calling the world's most renowed (sp) pathologist." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #272

He is a world class expert. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #198

Lmao!!!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #211

I worry today may turn rather ugly. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #3

I suppose they want to argue that having certain content on your madaboutharry Jul 2013 #4

I hope the judge nips it in the bud before it even gets to a jury. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #5

Fish got a new trial because that kind of evidence was excluded. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #10

Except I don't know if there's a documented background of physical aggression on Trayvon's part. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #15

I was speaking mostly in the abstract. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #19

There are apparently texts from Trayvon talking about fights he had hack89 Jul 2013 #30

And Zman's history of violence would seem similarly relevant. So let's have at it. Hoyt Jul 2013 #40

You need to ask the prosecutors why they failed to enter it into evidence hack89 Jul 2013 #46

if they introduce the victims character for violence qazplm Jul 2013 #190

No they cannot. hack89 Jul 2013 #206

and of course, teenage boys never exagerate how hedgehog Jul 2013 #160

The prosecution will have an opportunity to impeach the evidence hack89 Jul 2013 #203

You can bet they do, premium Jul 2013 #212

can the prosecution call rebuttal witnesses to testify about Trayvon's character? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #289

if a black man was on trial for killing a white man alc Jul 2013 #126

Excellent post. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #135

KKK and Meth Just Saying Jul 2013 #178

But the victim IS being portrayed as the guilty party and many here on DU seem to agree with that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #209

I agree with everything you just said Just Saying Jul 2013 #246

Think carefully about what you have said. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #254

Sorry but I'm not going to suppose anything. Just Saying Jul 2013 #283

Florida's self-defense laws are the same as all the states. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #284

Nope, never said that self-defense Just Saying Jul 2013 #285

Then why did you say this: GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #292

Not the same as saying no one should use self-defense. Just Saying Jul 2013 #294

Outside of DU, there are many white people who think Zimmerman is guilty. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #256

thank you! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #291

would it be equally relevant for the prosecution to show that the shooter Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #290

Yes, and it should be brought out at trial. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #293

This is smear day for the defense. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #9

O Mara lied about a cell phone video- that Trayvon's friend beat up a homeless man.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #6

Was that during the trial or outside the court? SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #205

to the press-during the trial- O Mara seems to be getting himself on TV every night.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #247

Yes, it is going to start getting really ugly. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #7

I am disheartened that the defense is about to start painting a picture of Trayvon Ninga Jul 2013 #12

That's all they've done since the beginning Nevernose Jul 2013 #13

Of course. But wearing down the jury with lots of anti-Trayvon flag waving - can have a Ninga Jul 2013 #14

Wouldn't any computer animation done before the trial be prone to "assume facts not in evidence"? KurtNYC Jul 2013 #17

This is a sneaky way of letting Zimmerman "testify" without having to take Ninga Jul 2013 #18

it also seems almost like a kind of hypnotism KurtNYC Jul 2013 #20

^^^this, exactly magical thyme Jul 2013 #25

I would think you are right. The cartoon was made before the trial and evidence. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #21

Prosecution was so poor in cross yesterday. The first friend of Zimmerman who wrote the book KurtNYC Jul 2013 #23

Bernie the prosecutor is horrible at cross examination. woolldog Jul 2013 #67

Not too impressed with either side KurtNYC Jul 2013 #89

How is this "video" not hearsay? ellisonz Jul 2013 #22

It is heresay, but... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #31

Agree. ellisonz Jul 2013 #45

Not in "cold blood". GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #54

I'll repeat it: Trayvon Martin was MURDERED in *cold blood*!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #122

Those are after the fact emotions. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #129

Multiple witnesses who cannot fully corroborate Zimmerman's story and at least one (Good) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #142

ALL the witness agree that they were in a fight. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #145

And Zimmerman's actions fit the dictionary's definition of a cold-blooded killer!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #193

If you are correct--and I don't believe you are--then why are they going for 2nd-degree murder? Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #259

It's simple: because Trayvon is dead. The best witness for the prosecution is DEAD... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #263

Are you surprised that the jury did not see the evidence the same way you did? Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #295

It is possible to be in a fight in cold blood. You depend on Z's version though so for you, impossib uppityperson Jul 2013 #151

Z's NEN phone call has emotional content. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #158

Don't you know that facts don't count, only emotions with some people? nt. premium Jul 2013 #164

It is possible to be emotionless in a fight. My apologies for adding in about Z as that confused my uppityperson Jul 2013 #166

is the jury having to sit through this cartoon maker? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #24

Jury is not in the courtroom pokerfan Jul 2013 #26

What exactly is a "motion capture suit"? madaboutharry Jul 2013 #32

A suit that captures motion to a computer pokerfan Jul 2013 #51

it is a suit with reflectors on key points of body - all joints and head and limbs - worn to record bettyellen Jul 2013 #57

it's strictly for admissibility... magical thyme Jul 2013 #27

Eggggsactly pokerfan Jul 2013 #53

According to Twitter the jury is not present n/t Shrek Jul 2013 #28

Sadly an animation will allow the events to be sanitized by replacing the human element. Ninga Jul 2013 #29

That's because the only way Zim's fantastical tale madashelltoo Jul 2013 #34

I know. I am worried that the judge is going to rule and allow it.....which would be awful. Ninga Jul 2013 #36

she did *not* allow the trace thc to be entered. magical thyme Jul 2013 #38

I think Leatherman got that wrong in his blog, someone in the comments brought it up. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #47

According to CNN, premium Jul 2013 #52

That's not what I read. Ninga Jul 2013 #48

+1 KurtNYC Jul 2013 #80

I have never seen that, thank you uppityperson Jul 2013 #154

That is the best fight scene in a movie ever davidpdx Jul 2013 #288

The State of Florida wants Zimmerman found innocent katmondoo Jul 2013 #33

I think you might be right because then the police, etc. may possibly... Little Star Jul 2013 #102

Negligent hell, premium Jul 2013 #108

Can't say that I disagree with you because that's exactly how I feel. Little Star Jul 2013 #116

This is absurd.. Dwayne Hicks Jul 2013 #35

my bet says she'll deny it. magical thyme Jul 2013 #43

The prosecution overcharged Pennycat Jul 2013 #37

The lesser included charge of manslaughter is included avebury Jul 2013 #39

But the state didn't focus on culpable negligence Pennycat Jul 2013 #49

The cause of death isn't in dispute in this case. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #192

Unnn, the PA really came out during the rebuttal to defense montion to dismiss... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #44

Agreed! nt avebury Jul 2013 #50

You can consistently argue that Zimmerman acted both recklessly and with a depraved heart Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #61

Beyond a reasonable doubt? Pennycat Jul 2013 #72

...Z's actions of following someone with a loaded gun weren't illegal but against NWP procedures and uponit7771 Jul 2013 #79

reasonable doubt is not the same as a vague doubt Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #111

Reckless seems spot on, even Z defenders see going against advice from the NWP and 911 as stupid... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #76

Gee do you think that the Judge is getting a tad bit avebury Jul 2013 #41

A video reenactment is nothing more than a hypothetical, and is hugely Ninga Jul 2013 #42

Nevermind, it was in regard to another witness darkangel218 Jul 2013 #55

I think that it has something to do with some Doctor that avebury Jul 2013 #58

Yup, i heard after i posted. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #62

It seems to me that a lot of these witness/evidence issues avebury Jul 2013 #56

Defense brings out Martin's shirt and puts display right in front of victim's family chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #59

I noticed that as well.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #60

Already been done by the prosecution. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #63

But this is the defense doing it. They could have put it anywhere reasonable in the chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #65

What is wrong with that? hack89 Jul 2013 #68

Maybe they could lean it against Zimmerman's table since sensibilities don't matter chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #82

Where is it relative to the jury? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #90

Good point Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #98

So? premium Jul 2013 #69

QUESTION: Does the PA have rebuttal to defense after defense rest? thx in advance uponit7771 Jul 2013 #64

Yes. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #66

thx! If the PA performs like they did during the defense request for dismissal I think views will... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #71

But limited in scope Pennycat Jul 2013 #91

Yes, and the defense gets to cross those rebuttal witness'. nt. premium Jul 2013 #74

This doctor speaks funny. almost creepy darkangel218 Jul 2013 #70

Really? Why? premium Jul 2013 #77

No. he sounds like a mad doctor. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #78

How? premium Jul 2013 #85

Im not accusing you of anything. This guy is creepy and thats all. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #94

If no one should care pintobean Jul 2013 #100

You're probably in the minority, premium Jul 2013 #106

Hes a paid witness charging $400 per hour. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #114

No. It is simply that you hate him because he is a defense witness. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #93

LMAO!! oh really?? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #96

You have labeled the doctor's accent as "creepy". GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #99

Im not biased based on the fact that hes a defense witness. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #101

You can't see your own bias. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #107

And you cant accept others opinions. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #109

I try to base my opinions on facts. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #115

So far you were wrong several times. You assume alot for someone claiming darkangel218 Jul 2013 #117

++++++++++++ uppityperson Jul 2013 #156

Have you noticed that Dr. Di Maio has said the same things I have? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #167

neither you or the doctor know that for sure. noiretextatique Jul 2013 #262

Since he is a world famous forensic pathologist, I will believe him. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #269

he is a paid consultant noiretextatique Jul 2013 #278

Being a paid consultant does NOT mean he is lying. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #281

let's all try to get along Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #180

Hear, hear premium Jul 2013 #184

He has a New York accent. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #83

You shouldn't be on a jury cpwm17 Jul 2013 #144

So you have never thought that someone sounded creepy? never ever in your life? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #199

Your comment is totally irrelevant to the case cpwm17 Jul 2013 #233

The one displaying poor thinking skills is you. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #242

Insulting comments on people's looks is poor form cpwm17 Jul 2013 #257

Oh really, do you mind copying and pasting where i insulted the pathologist's looks?? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #258

And speaking about growing out of bad habits darkangel218 Jul 2013 #270

I thought I just heard on HLN that the Judge agreed to have the records that show TM had THC in his HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #73

Yup its true. nt darkangel218 Jul 2013 #75

Yes, the defense has to make the case that there's chance MJ makes one aggresive... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #84

makes me eat food and watch tv.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #104

they could say that it can make one paranoid -- isn't that true? KurtNYC Jul 2013 #119

Not in most cases uponit7771 Jul 2013 #139

paranoid only in that you might avoid doing things or become withdrawn bettyellen Jul 2013 #153

Not sure why they did that Shrek Jul 2013 #217

Dr. DiMaio, forensic pathologist, on the stand down. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #81

Ny accent mixed with TX accent makes him creepy. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #86

how is he supposed to help the defense? thx in advance uponit7771 Jul 2013 #87

I have no idea. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #95

Man if I were on the Jury I would have already avebury Jul 2013 #113

The same people who are suppling Zimmerman with his color coordinated outfits katmondoo Jul 2013 #125

So far, pretty good credentials. nt. premium Jul 2013 #92

Dr. Shiping Bao testified that he consulted Di Maio's book(s) pintobean Jul 2013 #121

...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... This blah blah sleep inducing. n/t Ninga Jul 2013 #88

From the Phil Spector trial. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #97

No relevance to the Zimmerman trial. Start you own thread, please. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #103

He is a typical defense witness and a "hired gun." madaboutharry Jul 2013 #110

That he testified in another trial has no relevance to this trial. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #120

You remind me of that clip from Seinfeld darkangel218 Jul 2013 #112

Oh shit!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #105

From @bobkealing: avebury Jul 2013 #118

LOL, hand raised here and I bet if the jury could, they, too, would... Spazito Jul 2013 #123

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #140

From @bobkealing avebury Jul 2013 #124

I think the issue here is that Trayvon's shirt was not against his skin. Jim__ Jul 2013 #128

2 - 4 inches is still pretty darn close to me. avebury Jul 2013 #130

I expect that the prosecution will strongly challenge this guy's claims. Jim__ Jul 2013 #134

++ looking forward to the cross examination Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #191

Or GZ was pulling at his shirt- I thought the holes were lower on the shirt than his body- bettyellen Jul 2013 #131

I really expect the prosecution to challenge this guy's claims. Jim__ Jul 2013 #137

Good luck with that, premium Jul 2013 #141

the prosecution just has to get the doctor to validate other possible interpretations Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #197

They will have a very hard time of it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #143

Yes. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #132

He likely was on top. KurtNYC Jul 2013 #146

Does the prosecution accept that? I haven't been listening to the whole trial. Jim__ Jul 2013 #149

I am unclear on what the prosecution believes the positions were KurtNYC Jul 2013 #181

it really doesn't contradict their case at all. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #204

They are taking a lot of time to establish that Dr. Di Maio as a world-class expert. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #127

Good or bad for Defense? avebury Jul 2013 #136

Don't know yet, premium Jul 2013 #147

If Trayvon died as quickly at this witness says he did, avebury Jul 2013 #152

"You say Trayvon Martin could have lived up to XXX minutes after he was shot... SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #232

Jurors seem captivated Shrek Jul 2013 #138

Doesn't the Doctor's testimony better avebury Jul 2013 #148

Looking at the facts yes...it was brought up yesterday that GZ was wearing a waste holster meaning uponit7771 Jul 2013 #159

In addition, this witness absolutley does not support avebury Jul 2013 #162

RIGHT! I've had a concusion in football, not a mark on my scalp but if I had NO helmet uponit7771 Jul 2013 #171

I think "that doesn't sound like me" was a preemptive dodge in case they could prove it wasn't him bettyellen Jul 2013 #249

Establishing Zimmerman's claim of Trayvon being able to still say "you got me"...which means what??? Ninga Jul 2013 #150

This testimony is gross katmondoo Jul 2013 #155

Psychologically, the expert's testimony might be a little counterproductive Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #163

Is ANYONE going to ask about the lack of DNA on TM hands after slamming GZ's bloody head? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #157

That is the prosecution's job. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #170

What is the likely hood someone would have a point blank shot to the heart during even a mild ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #161

Doubt Zimmerman was aiming for the heart, Lurks Often Jul 2013 #165

...that would be a pretty lucky shot vs firing in TM's ribs or even stomach...he'd have to bring the uponit7771 Jul 2013 #168

Can you scream help with a mild concussion or "stunned"? jbond56 Jul 2013 #169

Yes, and I know this from personal experience. nt. premium Jul 2013 #175

Was your speech slured? jbond56 Jul 2013 #177

No, not really, premium Jul 2013 #179

Dang jbond56 Jul 2013 #187

I can only speak for myself, and this was over 40 years ago, premium Jul 2013 #200

you must have felt confused about whether you had just died or not Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #213

I was wondering what the hell had just hit me, premium Jul 2013 #220

An excellent question. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #176

Yes. I was in an car accident. Mild concussion. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #210

Screaming for help and at the same time, going for your gun? A concussion and bloodied nose? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #218

Can't talk and walk at the same time? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #225

You and I both know that it's actually a normal thing, premium Jul 2013 #230

Oh, yes Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #238

O.K., but if I'm trying to prove that I acted out of self defense, I would want to have some Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #265

Dr. Di Maio seems to disagree n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #207

How would injuries on the front of GZ's head be indicative of his head being bashed into concrete? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #172

Blow delivered to front, driving head into what is behind it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #194

I would like to know if this witness looked avebury Jul 2013 #173

This Defense expert reminds me of Henry Lee who always testifies for the Defense katmondoo Jul 2013 #174

"Definite evidence of six impacts" Shrek Jul 2013 #182

This guy is destroying the ME the state called Pennycat Jul 2013 #185

State's ME referred to Defense ME's book. dkf Jul 2013 #188

Drew Peterson and Phil Spector Thank Dr. DiMaio for his exculpatory testimony DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #195

Other DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #196

Is Dr. DiMaio the Dr that was on the stand? I thought it was some other last name uponit7771 Jul 2013 #214

Totally irrelevant to this trial. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #215

They prefer Dr. Bao. dkf Jul 2013 #216

Quit calling other posters names. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #219

Point is, the guy is falliable. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #221

This testimony is devasting to the states case premium Jul 2013 #224

The OP is the one doing it. lol!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #228

So he's the only one doing it? premium Jul 2013 #237

So its Okay to call our own DUers names, as the OP is doing, because some posters commented darkangel218 Jul 2013 #245

Not as foolish as testifying that Lana Clarkson DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #267

WHAT IF TRAYVON MARTIN WAS SHOT IN THE ARM AND DID NOT DIE? wdkellysr Jul 2013 #222

I wish we were Pennycat Jul 2013 #226

I think it entirely possible that Trayvon MArtin would have been on trial for attacking Zimmerman! hedgehog Jul 2013 #235

Agreed JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #243

Z's father was not and is not a judge. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #248

Fair Enough JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #253

None of that has anything to do with the fact the Z's father is/was NOT a judge. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #282

True JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #286

My objection was to calling his father a judge, and nothing more. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #287

Zimmerman's father was never a judge, premium Jul 2013 #251

Zimmerman would be a hell of a lot happier now, Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #239

George knew you get in more trouble for pulling a weapon on someone when it's not needed than you do bettyellen Jul 2013 #252

I would like to hear the Defense's ME witness explain avebury Jul 2013 #223

Maybe the prosecution can bring it up Shrek Jul 2013 #227

I would like for that question to be asked too. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #229

STARTING NEW THREAD FOR THE AFTERNOON SESSION. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #236

And I would like to hear why--if Zimmerman's head was bashed at least six times-- Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #231

I expect that part to be ripped by the PA...Zimmerman is either the luckiest guy in the world that uponit7771 Jul 2013 #240

Yup. Eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #255

STARTING NEW THREAD FOR THE AFTERNOON SESSION. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #244

link? frylock Jul 2013 #266

I really hope that the PA who handled the avebury Jul 2013 #250

The prosecution is hammering this paid defense witness!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #260

I am truthfully and honestly trying to make sense of this case... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #261

i agree with you: his story just doesn't add up noiretextatique Jul 2013 #264

Yup. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #273

what's even more ridiculous noiretextatique Jul 2013 #280

Two common misconceptions Pennycat Jul 2013 #271

self-defense? noiretextatique Jul 2013 #279

So, let's see.... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #268

+1000 darkangel218 Jul 2013 #274

Bernie made a good analogy... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #275

Pro zimmies are desperate. They know zimmy is guilty but keep hopping he'll get aquitted darkangel218 Jul 2013 #276

Aw, yes. Here we have the "I have a black friend, therefore I can't be racist" witness... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #277