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uppityperson

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25. Problem is that requirements are not adequate for MTs to do acupuncture. Malpractice is bad, but
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jul 2013

happens with every profession.

While the ruling against Spurrell is heartening, what is rather depressing is how Canadian authorities came around to it. Acupuncture is a licensed specialty. So authorities had to “prove” that Spurrell had no valid reason to insert a needle there (“valid” being defined within the system of traditional Chinese medicine undergirding acupuncture). In other words, they had to show that there was no reason under TCM to think that a needle stuck in that particular location would treat Kibble-Orr’s recurrent headaches. Moreover, it wasn’t the College of Acupuncturists who had jurisdiction, but rather the College of Massage Therapists, that had jurisdiction, and the College only requires a certain number of hours of extra training to be able to administer acupuncture, a requirement that Spurrell had met. Of course, we at SBM would argue that there’s no science-based reason at all to think that sticking a needle in a point between the clavicle and the ribs would have any effect whatsoever on recurrent chronic headaches, and that should be enough. That’s the problem with regulating quackery; to prove misconduct or malpractice, you have to do it within the system of magical thinking of the quackery that has been licensed. If, for instance, Spurrell had been able to show that there was a valid rationale under TCM for inserting the needle there, he still might have been nailed for incompetence because he stuck the needle in too deep, but quite possibly he might not have been.


I find it difficult to believe that an accupunture needle could pierce the lung NV Whino Jul 2013 #1
That wasn't the finding of the Ontario Court... SidDithers Jul 2013 #3
The needles are 2" long NV Whino Jul 2013 #18
Watch this video, (Warning, not for the weak stomach types) snooper2 Jul 2013 #20
This is why most states regulate to those physicians (and veterinarians) who go on to receive hlthe2b Jul 2013 #2
So what's the science that tells an accupuncturist... SidDithers Jul 2013 #5
I won't be insulted, Sid.. I indicated this person didn't know basic anatomy. hlthe2b Jul 2013 #8
I read a study that determined pscot Jul 2013 #4
Not really "random". Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #15
I have no idea how it works but I know 4 people who quit smoking from acupuncture. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #6
and I know a guy who finally quit smoking after hypnosis SCantiGOP Jul 2013 #9
The cashectomy effect pscot Jul 2013 #13
I, my wife and 6 other friends quit after laser treatment kysrsoze Jul 2013 #31
lost track of how many times G_j Jul 2013 #7
True, but idiots still have the needles stuck in them so the cause continues. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #12
one story G_j Jul 2013 #16
That massage therapist had - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #10
The Science-Based Medicine Blog is a great resource as well. longship Jul 2013 #11
Yup... SidDithers Jul 2013 #14
And yet your story is about a massage threapist practicing medicine illegally, or it would be here Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #17
Thanks for the link. Iggo Jul 2013 #30
The Nationl Institutes of Health (NIH) concludes differently: hlthe2b Jul 2013 #19
Well NCCAM concludes differently... SidDithers Jul 2013 #23
NCCAM is one of the Insitutes of NIH... Educate yourself, SID, please hlthe2b Jul 2013 #26
And what about the Journal for the AMA grantcart Jul 2013 #33
I have type II CRPS cali Jul 2013 #34
The most important sentence zipplewrath Jul 2013 #35
I am a very satisfied person using acupuncture on several occasions and would continue with the Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #21
Acupuncture helped my brain and energy flow. ananda Jul 2013 #22
You might fool people but it does not work that way with little pups. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #24
I get acupuncture because it was recommened to me by a friend who is not just an MD Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #27
Problem is that requirements are not adequate for MTs to do acupuncture. Malpractice is bad, but uppityperson Jul 2013 #25
My wife is a Tradition Chinese Medicine practitioner agent46 Jul 2013 #28
It hasn't developed over the centuries. HuckleB Oct 2013 #38
Thanks for this link agent46 Oct 2013 #39
I gripe about homeopathy I see in drugstores, Sid, you gripe about acupuncture. Archae Jul 2013 #29
None of them work. That's the bottom line. HuckleB Oct 2013 #36
On the other hand acupuncture helped me lose 23 pounds LiberalEsto Jul 2013 #32
It's all a big placebo. HuckleB Oct 2013 #37
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