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In reply to the discussion: Why do people keep bringing up the treatment of Manning in a military prison re: Snowden? [View all]struggle4progress
(126,070 posts)186. hmmm
In brig, WikiLeaks suspect Bradley Manning ordered to sleep without clothing
By Ellen Nakashima,March 05, 2011
... Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said ... he had visited Quantico to observe the conditions of Mannings detention ... Theres this misperception out there that he is in somehow in solitary confinement, out on his own somewhere in a dark and dreary cell, Morrell said. That could not be further from the truth ... <Mannings attorney David Coombs> ... said .. Manning is technically not held in solitary confinement ...
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-03-05/world/35260997_1_david-e-coombs-brig-psychiatrist-military-detention-facility
US v. Pfc. Manning
Court Ruling on defense Article 13 motion
By Alexa O'Brien on January 9, 2013 11:59 AM
This ruling was read into the Court record at the Article 39(a) session of United Stated v. Pfc. Bradley Manning at Fort Meade, Maryland on January 8 and 9, 2013.
... CONCLUSIONS OF LAW ... The defense challenges the periods the accused remained on suicide risk over Captain Hocter's recommendation as unlawful pretrial punishment. The Government concedes that maintaining the accused on suicide risk after mental health provider determined he was no longer a suicide risk constitutes unlawful pretrial punishment under Article 13. The Court agrees ... The accused was not held in solitary confinement. Solitary means alone without human contact. Although the accused was confined by himself in a cell similar to that of other detainees at Marine Corps Brig Quantico, he had daily human contact. There was no additional door separating the accused cell from the main hallway. He can view all activity going on in the hallway. He had weekly visits with his counselor and mental health professionals as well as daily walk through visits by the Brig O ... There was no intent to punish the accused by anyone on the Marines Corps Brig staff or Marines Corps Quantico chain of command. Their intent was to ensure the accused was safe, did not hurt or kill himself, and was present for trial ... The Court finds the continued maintenance of the accused on POI status over mental health recommendation after 1 November 2010 was excessive in relation to the legitimate POI interest .. except for the period of 10 through 13 December 2011, when Captain Hocter recommended the accused remain on POI. The Court will award one day of sentence credit for 1 November to 17 January 2011-- minus those three days for a total of 75 days ... The Court will grant day for day sentence credit from 1 to 20 April 2011 for a total of twenty days ... The Court grants ten days of sentence credit ... The Court recognizes that RCM 305(k) can provide an independent basis for additional credit ... The accused has been granted with 112 days of sentence credit for Article 13 punishments ...
http://www.alexaobrien.com/secondsight/wikileaks/bradley_manning/appellate_exhib/us_v_pfc_manning_court_ruling_on_defense_article_13_motion.html
Why I called Bradley Manning's treatment 'stupid'
The US should uphold the highest standards towards its citizens, including the WikiLeaks accused. I stand by what I said
PJ Crowley
Tuesday 29 March 2011 11.00 EDT
... Earlier this month, I was asked by an MIT graduate student why the United States government was "torturing" Private First Class Bradley Manning, who is accused of being the source of the WikiLeaks cables that have been reported by the Guardian and other news outlets and posted online. The fact is the government is doing no such thing ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/29/bradley-manning-wikileaks
By Ellen Nakashima,March 05, 2011
... Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said ... he had visited Quantico to observe the conditions of Mannings detention ... Theres this misperception out there that he is in somehow in solitary confinement, out on his own somewhere in a dark and dreary cell, Morrell said. That could not be further from the truth ... <Mannings attorney David Coombs> ... said .. Manning is technically not held in solitary confinement ...
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-03-05/world/35260997_1_david-e-coombs-brig-psychiatrist-military-detention-facility
US v. Pfc. Manning
Court Ruling on defense Article 13 motion
By Alexa O'Brien on January 9, 2013 11:59 AM
This ruling was read into the Court record at the Article 39(a) session of United Stated v. Pfc. Bradley Manning at Fort Meade, Maryland on January 8 and 9, 2013.
... CONCLUSIONS OF LAW ... The defense challenges the periods the accused remained on suicide risk over Captain Hocter's recommendation as unlawful pretrial punishment. The Government concedes that maintaining the accused on suicide risk after mental health provider determined he was no longer a suicide risk constitutes unlawful pretrial punishment under Article 13. The Court agrees ... The accused was not held in solitary confinement. Solitary means alone without human contact. Although the accused was confined by himself in a cell similar to that of other detainees at Marine Corps Brig Quantico, he had daily human contact. There was no additional door separating the accused cell from the main hallway. He can view all activity going on in the hallway. He had weekly visits with his counselor and mental health professionals as well as daily walk through visits by the Brig O ... There was no intent to punish the accused by anyone on the Marines Corps Brig staff or Marines Corps Quantico chain of command. Their intent was to ensure the accused was safe, did not hurt or kill himself, and was present for trial ... The Court finds the continued maintenance of the accused on POI status over mental health recommendation after 1 November 2010 was excessive in relation to the legitimate POI interest .. except for the period of 10 through 13 December 2011, when Captain Hocter recommended the accused remain on POI. The Court will award one day of sentence credit for 1 November to 17 January 2011-- minus those three days for a total of 75 days ... The Court will grant day for day sentence credit from 1 to 20 April 2011 for a total of twenty days ... The Court grants ten days of sentence credit ... The Court recognizes that RCM 305(k) can provide an independent basis for additional credit ... The accused has been granted with 112 days of sentence credit for Article 13 punishments ...
http://www.alexaobrien.com/secondsight/wikileaks/bradley_manning/appellate_exhib/us_v_pfc_manning_court_ruling_on_defense_article_13_motion.html
Why I called Bradley Manning's treatment 'stupid'
The US should uphold the highest standards towards its citizens, including the WikiLeaks accused. I stand by what I said
PJ Crowley
Tuesday 29 March 2011 11.00 EDT
... Earlier this month, I was asked by an MIT graduate student why the United States government was "torturing" Private First Class Bradley Manning, who is accused of being the source of the WikiLeaks cables that have been reported by the Guardian and other news outlets and posted online. The fact is the government is doing no such thing ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/29/bradley-manning-wikileaks
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Why do people keep bringing up the treatment of Manning in a military prison re: Snowden? [View all]
Recursion
Jul 2013
OP
I wonder if Manny has links to some documentation which backs up his accusation.
Cali_Democrat
Jul 2013
#8
So the answer is "yes, he can be put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life"
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2013
#19
If he were convicted and sentenced to life in prison, and the prison regulations allowed that
Recursion
Jul 2013
#43
Yes, despite the fact that the MILITARY'S OWN PSYCHIATRIST said he wasn't a suicide risk! n/t
markpkessinger
Jul 2013
#40
Actually, there were several psychiatrists involved, including one who not long before
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#49
Bullshit. He was treated that way by military personnel because they viewed him
JaneyVee
Jul 2013
#28
Who, exactly, is the commander in chief, the top dog, the head honcho, of the military?
ret5hd
Jul 2013
#77
So will there be any courts-martial for that gross violation of human rights
HardTimes99
Jul 2013
#183
They need to excuse the assholes treason. Obama is guilty of following the law
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#3
Well, the 2012 version only applies to persons identified as members of Al Qaeda
Recursion
Jul 2013
#94
Why don't you find in the NDAA the exact section that you think could be used
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#50
The bill was hundreds of pages long. I suspect the poster never bothered to read
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#86
Stop spreading disinformation. Section 1021 outlines indefinite detention, not 1022.
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#113
You're the one claiming there's some law allowing the indefinite detention of US Citizens
Recursion
Jul 2013
#153
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody
Demit
Jul 2013
#177
Stop spreading disinformation. No. 1021 is for indefinite detention,
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#111
That's exactly what I posted, only I didn't make stuff up about it like you did
Recursion
Jul 2013
#112
Yes. You're claiming there is some law that allows the indefinite detention of US citizens
Recursion
Jul 2013
#141
So, we're agreed no law allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens? Great.
Recursion
Jul 2013
#171
No, the point is that Americans are not clearly exempted from indefinite detention,
woo me with science
Jul 2013
#173
So, Section 1021 turned up empty for you, and now you're just saying there's a generic "danger"?
Recursion
Jul 2013
#174
Well, Snowden can always end in Gitmo. Not sure if I would consider THAT an improvement over
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#12
Yes. What he is most likely will end up in is a solitary confinement, not much better than Gitmo.
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#34
I know. It will be a solitary more likely and not better than what Manning had to go though.
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#35
He was in solitary while he was on suicide watch. This is a problem with military prisons in general
Recursion
Jul 2013
#48
I too am troubled that his request for a private unmonitored interview was denied
Recursion
Jul 2013
#125
I also think that Manning is getting a raw deal. It was he who brought the attention
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2013
#29
Sigh. He released a video that confirmed the military's finding that the attack was within the R.O.E
Recursion
Jul 2013
#54
Can't help but laugh at "Snowden would likely have been charged and released on bail".
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#64
Because when you go to the effort of keeping secret decisions based on secret laws made by secret
dkf
Jul 2013
#79
That's why I can't help but laugh at complete absurdity and hypocrisy of their posts.
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#180
Those are allowed by the rules of military prisons. Those rules should probaby be changed
Recursion
Jul 2013
#99
Well hell, we don't know that they didn't download his brain into a giant computer
Recursion
Jul 2013
#134
As I've said several times, his treatment was found to be illegal by a court
Recursion
Jul 2013
#151
And a judge held the law was broken, and came very close to setting him free
Recursion
Jul 2013
#150
No, that's established case law now. There wasn't case law on this before Padilla
Recursion
Jul 2013
#162
*shrug* Like I said, I can think of a million ways the government could screw us if it ignored law
Recursion
Jul 2013
#166
Because Obama is a power-mad dictator who likes to murder his enemies bare-handed.
baldguy
Jul 2013
#67
Does that mean you do not believe if caught, they might not consider tossing him in a
Drew Richards
Jul 2013
#81
Well I will have to go look it up but if he is possibly charged with treason I believe his
Drew Richards
Jul 2013
#102
Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but given our recent use of things like rendition
Arcanetrance
Jul 2013
#82
He will have all the rights and protections any accused federal felon has.
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#93
Yeah, after all there's no chance of a civilian ending up in a military prison without trial...
NuclearDem
Jul 2013
#137
As a person who has family and friends in prison. Bradley Manning was not tortured any more
bravenak
Jul 2013
#138
You are 100% correct. Instead he can be charged under a whole suite of SECRET laws, we, he AND...
TheMadMonk
Jul 2013
#169
A little Carribean vacation resort known as Gitmo. Numerous reports on prisoner treatment...
TheMadMonk
Jul 2013
#179