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Martin Eden

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43. Obama was not misleading in the OP quote, within the actual context.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jul 2013

Let's be fair, and let's be accurate. The OP was a clever but misleading attempt to demonize the president as a hypocrite.

Citizens standing up and speaking out is one thing, and breaking the law by leaking classified information is another. As Chief Executive responsible for national security the president could be in legal trouble himself if he instructed the Justice Department to ignore criminal conduct. At the very least it would create a shitstorm that would sidetrack everything else he's trying to accomplish. He'd gain support in some circles, but he'd be in big trouble in Washington.

That is a significant aspect of the reality of the situation. Now, you can argue that what he's trying to accomplish in other areas (economy, social justice, environmental protection) has fallen short of what you hoped or expected from this president, and that's a good (but different) debate. You could also argue the collection of meta data begun under the previous administration and continued under this one violates the US Constitution the president is sworn to uphold. Ultimately, that is a question for the SCOTUS.

Personally, I think what Snowden did needed to be done. Constitutionally legal or not, the gathering of meta data on American citizens should only be with the informed consent of the governed. Conducted secretly without consent it is ripe for abuse, and as the tentacles of the National Security State reach deeper into our private lives our civil rights & liberties can be threatened.

However, we don't really know what the president personally thinks about this and how much real freedom of action he has in challenging the institutions of the National Security State. I'm not in his shoes, and neither are you.

I try to be a realist in all things, without losing sight of my ideals. President Obama is far from perfect. I've been very disappointed more than once, and I think he has fallen far short of the kind of leadership I thought he would bring to the office. But let's not try to paint him as the devil when we discover he's not a saint.

The OP was IMO a cheap shot that hinders any realistic assessment of this president and of the issue at hand.

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The irony, oh the irony. [View all] grahamhgreen Jul 2013 OP
Why do you hate America? Electric Monk Jul 2013 #1
LoL. Yeah, the IRONY of this thread. railsback Jul 2013 #2
Instead we're all just sitting down tearing each other apart on DU. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #3
no, not all of us Skittles Jul 2013 #4
I agree, it isn't all. Seems like they make the loudest noise. It's hard to even JaneyVee Jul 2013 #5
LOL Skittles Jul 2013 #6
Huh? Didn't think that called for an LOL moment followed by a smiley. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #7
Didn't you know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #11
The trolls do the devil's work, know it, and are proud. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #14
What was that word I heard earlier today here on DU... "Quizzlings"? n/t ReRe Jul 2013 #19
Very applicable. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #32
:\ R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #16
Speak for yourself. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #33
We stood up and screemed about gun control. Yea that worked dint it. pffft L0oniX Jul 2013 #8
Yeah that was heartbreaking. A testament to our rabid extremist opposition. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #9
And it was clear that the majority of people favored at least a public option dflprincess Jul 2013 #15
More than a majority - 70+% according to most polls. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #21
What was the MOMENT, and what did it DEMAND? Martin Eden Jul 2013 #10
The moment when we lost our democracy and had our Constitution shredded, IMHO. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #29
That's what Obama was referring to in the quoted statement? Martin Eden Jul 2013 #31
No, that is THIS moment. Our moment. The moment. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #42
To me, this moment means, with respect... BornLooser Jul 2013 #12
How is what Snowden did different than what the Rosenbergs or any spy has done? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #13
He revealed not just a crime, but a pattern and practice of criminality. Whistleblowing is not a grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #30
Whether or not he is above reproach... Orsino Jul 2013 #40
This might be a strategic move executed by those who own our government. Billy Pilgrim Jul 2013 #17
Not being snarky.... do you have a date when he spoke those words? ;-) n/t ReRe Jul 2013 #18
Obama did NOT say 'go out and commit felonies and then run off to China and Russia' n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #20
Agreed. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #34
Here is the quote (concerning climate change) in full context: Gore1FL Jul 2013 #22
Thank you for the context. From my point of view, it nails the OPs point. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #23
Well, that's another crime he's committed, apparently! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #35
Thank you for putting the quote in context Martin Eden Jul 2013 #37
It does? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #38
The OP was very misleading Martin Eden Jul 2013 #39
No, it's Obama who is misleading. Speaking out is what Snowden did. He should amplify grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #41
Obama was not misleading in the OP quote, within the actual context. Martin Eden Jul 2013 #43
k & r! nt wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #24
K&R- INDEED! nt Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #25
K&R Nice. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #26
Oh, that stings Hydra Jul 2013 #27
I tried when BP destroyed the Gulf Coast. Rex Jul 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #36
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