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NuclearDem

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112. This is not good news. In fact, it's bad, bad news.

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 03:21 PM

Jul 2013

You absolutely cannot cut spending during economic downturns. The only way this can be remotely interpreted as "good news" is if it's used as a talking point against the austerity Republicans who use the deficit as a weapon; if history is any indication, this won't change their minds at all.

This trend is nearly identical to the Texas Miracle, and they're both equally bullshit. Unemployment might be falling, but it all depends on the quality of jobs that are being added. Yes, more people are being employed, but when McDonald's workers in NYC have to live in homeless shelters because they can't afford the rent, that's hardly good news.

Deficits and the debt only matter to the people who aren't in power; in that case, they're very effective ways to go after whoever occupies the White House and the Congress.

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Once Again, A Democratic President Cuts a Republican Deficit. Almost No One Notices. [View all] riqster Jul 2013 OP

Ever notice, with some people, when something good happens RC Jul 2013 #1

Main street in my average city is thriving. tridim Jul 2013 #3

Maybe the job market, but the pay scale sucks bowling balls now. RC Jul 2013 #7

I'm making good money for the first time since 1999. tridim Jul 2013 #8

Well excuse me. One good example negates the rest of the evidence. RC Jul 2013 #20

It's not just me. tridim Jul 2013 #25

Isn't Unemployment at 7.4%? eilen Jul 2013 #56

Wages are falling at a record pace this year AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #103

UE falling while numbers of part time friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #121

Wages are falling at record pace in the USA AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #95

That is a generalized MSM observation which has somehow become "common knowledge" by repetition. riqster Jul 2013 #18

But compared to 1999, in post I responded to, the economy and the job market is still nowhere close. RC Jul 2013 #22

True. But Obama isn't starting from 1999. riqster Jul 2013 #37

I am starting with 1999, because 1999 is a valid comparison. RC Jul 2013 #69

1999 is NOT a valid comparison in this context. riqster Jul 2013 #72

the poster compared it to 1999. and he's *wrong*. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #110

In this thread, Obama's starting in 10/2009. Igel Jul 2013 #109

8 years wrecking the economy ............... dothemath Jul 2013 #73

5 years after the reagan & clinton recessions, UE was back to normal range. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #113

6 million manufacturing jobs left questionseverything Jul 2013 #147

how many manufacturing jobs do you think left under reagan? regardless, UE was back within HiPointDem Jul 2013 #162

high point of manufacturing about 20 mill in 79 questionseverything Jul 2013 #176

i'm saying that lsoing manufacturing jobs isn't an excuse for no labor recovery. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #179

i was not making excuses questionseverything Jul 2013 #180

and i was offering reagan (several million manufacturing jobs lost in a smaller economy) as a kind HiPointDem Jul 2013 #181

a deliberate plan of the entire ruling class questionseverything Jul 2013 #183

I don't get it obama2terms Jul 2013 #155

Low wage jobs are dominating the U.S. recovery progressoid Jul 2013 #104

And this is relevant to the OP...how? riqster Jul 2013 #105

Just posting facts in response to tridim's anecdotal statement about job recovery. progressoid Jul 2013 #111

Point taken. Thanks. riqster Jul 2013 #117

BULLSHIT. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #108

A lot depends on where you are. riqster Jul 2013 #12

Kansas City too. tridim Jul 2013 #16

Apparently you don't notice the people on street corners, with cardboard signs and the RC Jul 2013 #26

I made no claim that Obama ended homelessness. tridim Jul 2013 #28

and here you are with your anecdotal evidence Sheepshank Jul 2013 #39

What are you talking about? RC Jul 2013 #64

Did stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #66

Link to some information bhikkhu Jul 2013 #70

seriously, you didn't just crap all over another poster Sheepshank Jul 2013 #74

You gotta be kidding me. RC Jul 2013 #77

good gawd...don't you have a scroll key? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #79

The national UE average doesn't depend on where you are. And it's that number which is used HiPointDem Jul 2013 #115

Wages have to go up a LONG way to make up for 30+ years truebluegreen Jul 2013 #154

Ever notice how when there is ever any good Obama news Sheepshank Jul 2013 #36

Yep. riqster Jul 2013 #40

Yep. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #48

Good analogy riqster Jul 2013 #53

Maybe they know who is responsible for what? treestar Jul 2013 #131

I, for one... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #156

Obviously it's just the delayed effects of BushCo's glorious economic program. tridim Jul 2013 #2

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2013 #4

Off to the greatest. this is something that President Obama deserves credit for. cali Jul 2013 #5

Agree Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #10

Careful, you're gonna lose all your shoutout fans with that attitude. nt tridim Jul 2013 #13

I could give a hot damn. cali Jul 2013 #19

That's super. tridim Jul 2013 #24

Perhaps this should be directed at the guy that accused cali bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #27

DaFuq??? Really? riqster Jul 2013 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author BenzoDia Jul 2013 #6

For some, this is bad news. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #9

Obama bad! treestar Jul 2013 #133

Lol JoePhilly Jul 2013 #135

K & R malaise Jul 2013 #11

Which is why we must bring it up, and expose the double standard. riqster Jul 2013 #119

+1,000 malaise Jul 2013 #122

They don't have to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #138

Kick and rec....n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #14

But, to be accurate... kentuck Jul 2013 #15

^^^THIS^^^^ riqster Jul 2013 #21

and to be further fair...that same $700B deficit/bill was handed to Obama Sheepshank Jul 2013 #42

Plus putting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on the books. riqster Jul 2013 #50

of course.....makes it even a bigger deal doesn't it? n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #51

THANK YOU!! SunSeeker Jul 2013 #59

I'm going to join you Politicub Jul 2013 #125

Bloody Barking Mad. riqster Jul 2013 #142

The bailout was necessary for Bush's wars and economic policies and lax regulation. To be accurate. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2013 #46

All true. kentuck Jul 2013 #54

And a small increase it was. Igel Jul 2013 #114

K&R nt Andy823 Jul 2013 #17

But wait, I thought he was helpless in the face of mean old republicans and that's why Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #23

The fiscal aspects of this are something he specifically wrung out of Boehner in negotiations Recursion Jul 2013 #34

There's a difference between being helpless and having treestar Jul 2013 #136

Yes, but I have no interest in cutting the defecit. Laelth Jul 2013 #29

+1 magellan Jul 2013 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author magellan Jul 2013 #44

Ding Ding Ding!!!! AlbertCat Jul 2013 #47

Wrong take. Yes, austerity fails now. No, Obama is not enacting austerity: GOP is. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2013 #49

Is it not the sequestration, obstruction and lack of economic stimulus eilen Jul 2013 #62

No, sequestration is responsible for far less than a third of the reduction. riqster Jul 2013 #88

Thank you. Why some are celebrating the victories that Republicans got is astounding. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #58

if we don't celebrate that the deficit is under control... SunSeeker Jul 2013 #65

Destroying a bs meme is a poor excuse for applauding cuts that have done so much harm magellan Jul 2013 #86

No one is applauding the harmful cuts. We're trying to stop more cuts. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #91

You want everyone to "celebrate that the deficit is now under control". magellan Jul 2013 #94

Celebrating it affirms it has been done, so we can move on. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #96

It'd help a lot if the Dems didn't play along with it. n/t magellan Jul 2013 #97

It'd help a lot if the Dems worked together. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #124

As in stfu and clap? magellan Jul 2013 #127

No, as in stop insulting people who are on you side. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #129

You first magellan Jul 2013 #140

I haven't insulted you. You, on the other hand, have been heaping it on me. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #157

What garbage magellan Jul 2013 #160

What did I say that was "nasty" or "garbage"? SunSeeker Jul 2013 #161

I'm not going to point it out again magellan Jul 2013 #163

Repeating lies about Obama is not criticism. It's lying. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #165

There was no lie in what dawgs said. magellan Jul 2013 #166

I didn't say there was. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #169

Can you explain how the insult relates to the post you replied to? magellan Jul 2013 #171

It is not an insult, it is a fact. Folks lie about Obama. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #172

"if we don't celebrate that the deficit is under control... magellan Jul 2013 #182

No, the deficit was not brought down by "wrecking ball cuts." SunSeeker Jul 2013 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author magellan Jul 2013 #166

So, basically, 'keep your mouth shut because there's nothing we can do about it'. Dawgs Jul 2013 #98

Not at all. We can do something about if we'd work together. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #123

Agree. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #152

"Under control" is a loaded term. Igel Jul 2013 #116

But if we do not shout that Obama cut the deficit in half... SunSeeker Jul 2013 #63

Perfectly put! nt riqster Jul 2013 #89

+1. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #99

Someone else posted this good news the other day.. and I had no idea Peacetrain Jul 2013 #30

'Twas Babylon sister who posted this image a few days ago. riqster Jul 2013 #41

Yep exactly Babylon sister Peacetrain Jul 2013 #68

Thanks for posting it again, riqster.. Good news always Cha Jul 2013 #134

Noticed it yesterday in BOG JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #31

Geez if Pres O Iliyah Jul 2013 #32

Noticing and applauding that effort. Obama has handled the economy masterfully think Jul 2013 #33

That's the pattern... Democrats clean up Republican messes and when things really start to turn gtar100 Jul 2013 #35

"They bank on short-term memory. " riqster Jul 2013 #52

repuke MO. easy to fool people BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #61

you mean the liberal media isn't shouting this from the highest heights??????? spanone Jul 2013 #38

Didn't make the News here. ffr Jul 2013 #55

There is a difference between noticing and caring or understanding DFW Jul 2013 #57

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #60

K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #67

K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #71

Damn straight. riqster Jul 2013 #75

Nominated .... credit where credit is due Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #76

Agree completely riqster Jul 2013 #93

Some disagree with you. RC Jul 2013 #78

Kindly See Post 72 and respond to it. riqster Jul 2013 #85

This just shows that Democrats do not get it either!! LakeErieLiberal Jul 2013 #80

Republicans claim Romney could have fixed the deficit in six months.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #81

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #82

The Dems have not controlled the house "since 2007". riqster Jul 2013 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #84

The Democrats have controlled the House for 4 of the last 19 years. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #87

Oh yeah. nt riqster Jul 2013 #90

Remarkable considering all the headwinds from the Grand Obstructionists Party. DCBob Jul 2013 #92

You're kidding, right? Dawgs Jul 2013 #100

"GOP got EXACTLY what it wanted" -- your kidding about that right? DCBob Jul 2013 #101

Of course they wanted more. Doesn't mean they aren't happy about what they got. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #106

Those f'kers will never be happy until they "take back THEIR country". DCBob Jul 2013 #118

No, they got far less. riqster Jul 2013 #102

No, they got more than they expected. That's different than not getting everything they want. Dawgs Jul 2013 #107

This is not good news. In fact, it's bad, bad news. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #112

Kick and Rec! zappaman Jul 2013 #120

This is a patten we see all the time now. Rex Jul 2013 #126

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #128

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #130

Hey Republicons, U Mad? Cha Jul 2013 #132

And far too many of us play chorus to the GOP leaders. riqster Jul 2013 #143

PREACH IT. Though most of the "us" doing that I don't think are "us" at all. Number23 Jul 2013 #150

Point. I am using the term broadly. riqster Jul 2013 #174

He likely fought tooth and nail felix_numinous Jul 2013 #137

Good thread. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #139

A specialty of mine. riqster Jul 2013 #144

You are confusing the debt and the deficit. former9thward Jul 2013 #141

No, actually, I'm not. riqster Jul 2013 #146

I notice you provide no figures. former9thward Jul 2013 #148

They inherit deficits as well. W_HAMILTON Jul 2013 #149

I told you where to find the figures riqster Jul 2013 #173

its a good start, friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #145

Sup? RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #151

Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #153

The poor have taken notice.... midnight Jul 2013 #158

We have also notice how much the Repukes are out to hurt us. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #168

K&R Bigredhunk Jul 2013 #159

Smaller deficits are good SnakeEyes Jul 2013 #164

Yes, the debt ballooned under Bush. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #170

The National Debt is a cumulative number, created by annual budget deficits. riqster Jul 2013 #175

Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #177

Best word ever for a kick! riqster Jul 2013 #178

.... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #185