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kenny blankenship

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164. He was apparently repeatedly pressed to allow a search of his plane, while not able to leave

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 05:15 PM

Jul 2013

that's the "ransom demand" ingredient that makes this event comparable to a "hostage taking."

According to Morales' recounting of the bizarre multiple parleys with the Spanish Ambassador, in order to ransom himself out of an apparently indefinite detention in Vienna, Morales was repeatedly urged to allow his plane to be boarded and searched. Instead of being allowed to leave according to a simple refueling schedule, Morales was detained in rounds of negotiations in which he and his plane were the hostage. His answers were conveyed by the Ambassador to nameless others, and met with new demands, fresh reasons, as the incident dragged in newscycle units on to the point where we might have soon seen banner headlines such as DAY TWO: BOLIVIAN HEAD OF STATE HELD CAPTIVE AT AUSTRIAN AIRPORT.

And as we know too well there are a couple dozen posters here who would have cheered such headlines, too. "He's on that plane I knew it! They've got that Snowden bastard at last - caught him with the Communist Presidente! They wouldn't be holding that jug eared little Indian if he didn't have something to hide! We can speed this up by cutting off their food and water. It's only a matter of time now.

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Evo Morales: I was "being held hostage" in unplanned Vienna stop [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 OP

Held hostage? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #1

Was Morales free to leave without the plane being searched? nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #2

There was no hostage taking. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #12

But, was he free, as a head of state, to leave? morningfog Jul 2013 #13

The Austrians did not hold the President of Bolivia hostage Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #17

Who is talking about any of that nonsense? Was the President of Bolivia free to leave his morningfog Jul 2013 #19

Morales was free to leave and he did Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #25

His presidential plane was held for 12 hours while it was searched. morningfog Jul 2013 #27

Held hostage? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #31

Forced to land. Prevented to leave until a search was conducted. morningfog Jul 2013 #33

Thank you for confirming it does not meet the definition of hostage taking. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #35

Wow. The double think cognitive dissonance is strong with you. morningfog Jul 2013 #37

"double think cognitive dissonance" Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #39

Let's walk through it: morningfog Jul 2013 #43

This was not a hostage taking in any way. Sorry. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #44

I'll try it your way. He was held hostage. Sorry. morningfog Jul 2013 #49

Okay he was Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #51

Your dissociation with reality is impressive. dgibby Jul 2013 #62

Its not possible that it was kidnapping LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #115

It fits to the letter, the US definition of kidnapping. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #86

Would you buy "unlawfully detained"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #126

From the Oxford Dictionary of U.S. English (online) markpkessinger Jul 2013 #68

How dare you confuse us with definitions from the world's most respected dictionary! merrily Jul 2013 #106

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #120

"We're trying to post free form here." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #162

Sounds like a hostage taking to me. ananda Jul 2013 #55

Then what word do you use to describe being detained until you agree to the terms 1monster Jul 2013 #53

This was an egregious act malaise Jul 2013 #40

Yes, it was. nt tsuki Jul 2013 #93

We never walked on the moon ... dawg Jul 2013 #45

and the government was not spying on nineteen50 Jul 2013 #76

He was apparently repeatedly pressed to allow a search of his plane, while not able to leave kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #164

Editing as Cali Democrat is unable to respond. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #161

The Austrian newspaper Der Standard reported on Evo Morales' stay in the Vienna Schwechat airport JDPriestly Jul 2013 #65

Excellent post, JD. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #67

This needs to be an OP. Excellent post. You are right - most Americans don't realize. Even here. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #70

Brilliant post! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #75

I was living in Germany during the Prague Spring, and closely followed the Slav from Bratislav. tsuki Jul 2013 #98

Great post! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #121

Thank you for sharing felix_numinous Jul 2013 #130

moales kardonb Jul 2013 #71

Why does that sound fascist? nineteen50 Jul 2013 #77

Because it is. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #79

You do realize that is the classic refrain of an authoritarian, don't you? markpkessinger Jul 2013 #83

Let me know how that shoe fits if it happens to an American leader...... think Jul 2013 #4

Someone made him go to Austria, unplanned, and wait there, what 18 hours? morningfog Jul 2013 #6

I have to disagree. What was done is an outrage! It was a diplomatic flight and what they did was... hrmjustin Jul 2013 #7

Word games? merrily Jul 2013 #96

Our authoritarian apologists are out in force with their talking points and ROFLs. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #3

You mean PAID authoritarian apologists Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #10

It is obvious which ones are paid and which aren't. morningfog Jul 2013 #14

The apparently paid ones also seem to have a ready supply of A Simple Game Jul 2013 #100

Paid and unpaid. merrily Jul 2013 #102

Its the unpaid ones that provide the comic relief LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #117

Kidnapping? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #118

"talking points and ROFLs." dawg Jul 2013 #46

The Austrians held him "hostage"? ProSense Jul 2013 #5

They wanted his jewelry Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #8

Racist like me, perhaps? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #9

Is this snark? ProSense Jul 2013 #15

No, it's a snipe. dawg Jul 2013 #52

Ever been on a snipe hunt? DevonRex Jul 2013 #156

I think I may have taken someone on a snipe hunt once. dawg Jul 2013 #157

Heehee! DevonRex Jul 2013 #160

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #38

your odious posts are beyond subtle. you hate Barack Obama. We get it. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #11

How did you get that from the OP? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #16

Obama 24/7 Hydra Jul 2013 #18

what? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #21

You heard me Hydra Jul 2013 #23

I was specifically addressing Manny Goldstein's constant bashing of the President Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #24

Oh, I see Hydra Jul 2013 #26

It's okay to bash Obama's policies leftstreet Jul 2013 #29

So you are you that you KNOW what any poster means, dgibby Jul 2013 #34

manny goldstein bashes shit policy.. frylock Jul 2013 #85

That's all that Rove pays me to do MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #110

well, you don't want to be TOO obvious! frylock Jul 2013 #116

I think it is fair to say . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #89

No he is limited to his nineteen50 Jul 2013 #78

*bwah!* Hydra Jul 2013 #80

LOL! You're fighting the NSA by posting crap on DU? Care to point out all the informative posts KittyWampus Jul 2013 #158

Thanks for necroing my post :p Hydra Jul 2013 #159

"We"? idwiyo Jul 2013 #42

Beyond subtle writing? Sounds like a great compliment. merrily Jul 2013 #101

Not really seeing that that's what the post you're responding to is saying. sibelian Jul 2013 #132

you know who else said move along? frylock Jul 2013 #148

i don't think 'subtle' is the word you're looking for nashville_brook Jul 2013 #150

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #20

Hostage smostage. You know the austrians had no idea why he landed there flamingdem Jul 2013 #22

Do you really think the Austrians are that stupid? GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #47

THey did search the plane. morningfog Jul 2013 #56

Next you will tell me none of this happened nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #64

these aren't the droids you're looking for frylock Jul 2013 #87

My bad...those R2 units I tell ya nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #88

This is the country that put a foreign leader into a US prison Matariki Jul 2013 #28

A foreign leader who was a trusted ally until he said, 'No' to terror in Nicargua. Octafish Jul 2013 #32

And I thought it was about him moving all that CIA coke hootinholler Jul 2013 #129

+ struggle4progress Jul 2013 #136

Snowden must have downloaded DC's Swiss bank account data. Octafish Jul 2013 #30

I shudder to think of the outrage dgibby Jul 2013 #36

You kidding? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #50

I would be justifiably pissed if it happened. morningfog Jul 2013 #57

Sure you would be. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #59

I would be, too, dgibby Jul 2013 #60

Face it. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #94

No, I am NOT kidding, dgibby Jul 2013 #58

I disagree with you Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #61

You should make it a poll. I think you would be surprised. morningfog Jul 2013 #66

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that poll. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #84

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This message was self-deleted by its author pa28 Jul 2013 #41

ok Obama league, time find dirt on Evo Morales Enrique Jul 2013 #48

lmao!!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #54

Regardless of what DU'ers think, a whole lot of the world thinks some nasty crap went down. Jerry442 Jul 2013 #63

there seems to be a coordinated effort warrprayer Jul 2013 #69

So! Does this mean bush can be detained now? Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #72

No. We must look toward the future. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #73

I wonder what this board would be posting nineteen50 Jul 2013 #74

The Board would be cheering. Led by Rove's paid Fake Progressives. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #82

The nineteen50 Jul 2013 #90

Comedy Central here. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #97

No only a handful are fake progressives. emulatorloo Jul 2013 #99

I could bore you over with Issa stories if you want nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #104

nadin you and I go back a ways emulatorloo Jul 2013 #122

I was nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #123

2014 2016 - yes in a way everything is in flux now. nerf balls, LOL emulatorloo Jul 2013 #124

I admit, this year I threw a real hard ball at Pelosi nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #125

I'm curious LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #119

Calling for war nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #91

Yeah, YouBetterBelieveIt! emulatorloo Jul 2013 #95

Bullshit treestar Jul 2013 #81

See post #68 above markpkessinger Jul 2013 #92

Wachet auf! MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #103

Landing to be refueled is not "being held hostage" gcomeau Jul 2013 #105

Wachet auf! MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #107

It's sad that you think you just made some kind of point. -nt gcomeau Jul 2013 #109

Well, we can agree that *something* is sad. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #112

Thank you. Because we're not interested in hearing it. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #108

Observation contradicts your statement. -nt gcomeau Jul 2013 #111

Yeah... you see.... sibelian Jul 2013 #133

it's weird that they had to land to refuel after being stuck in a holding pattern for so long.. frylock Jul 2013 #135

You know, I'm sure there's a perfectly understandable explanation of some kind. sibelian Jul 2013 #147

I certainly don't believe the numerous propagandists that the 1% has obviously flooded the internet Zorra Jul 2013 #128

They have finally spun it all off the axle. sibelian Jul 2013 #131

God, no. Can you point me to it? nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #134

It was not well received, at least. sibelian Jul 2013 #137

Wow. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #138

Isn't this all just too weird? sibelian Jul 2013 #139

I just posted the only thing I could think of: MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #140

HA! sibelian Jul 2013 #141

It's just impossible to compete with that. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #142

Wow. I missed that one, because that doucheclown was already on my ignore list. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #143

Also on mine, now. sibelian Jul 2013 #145

Wow! I thought the story was that it never happened, but there is proof that it not only sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #163

I think that particular thread was a bit of propaganda sibelian Jul 2013 #165

Recommend! KoKo Jul 2013 #144

Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Jul 2013 #146

k and r -- for exploding head factor of +10 nashville_brook Jul 2013 #149

But there's a Google Map of some airports ... DirkGently Jul 2013 #151

PROOF! yargle bargle...doncha know. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #152

That's the USSR401 ring road 'round Moscow.... Octafish Jul 2013 #153

To laugh or dismiss someone felix_numinous Jul 2013 #154

Whom to believe. Whom to believe. woo me with science Jul 2013 #155