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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Pholus
(4,062 posts)82. That's easy. Make students sign a no-suicide pact with financial penalties for their survivors.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html
Hey you. You commit suicide, we will make sure your family will not benefit from your loss past "legal minimums."
What do you suppose the "legal minimum" in damages is under Chinese law? I tried to find out and could only find a single source.
http://www.theconglomerate.org/2008/02/tort-damages-fo.html
Okay. So their minor/unable to work dependents typically get a cost-of-living payment, locally adjusted (no wonder most of these people come from rural areas) until they turn 18. In addition your funeral expenses are paid. There is a payment of 20 years of the average net income for the location where you came from -- not where you died -- again biased against rural areas and much lower than the factory rate.
Two example payments of this sort were given in 2008 as being between $9700 and $23700 with the principal difference being locality of the deceased family (rural vs. urban). I would imagine that foxconn can afford it easily.
Searched around for a while, couldn't establish what the difference is between "typical" and "legal minimum" but I'm betting the deal probably gets substantially worse so that there is a substantial disincentive to take the easy way out. All for our shiny compu-gismos.
Anyway, it's just more of the same "over the barrel" cheap labor tactics, turned towards blunting a PR problem. No wonder the suicide rate is low -- foxconn takes hostages.
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The related post is the Scheer article which was discussed elsewhere this morning...
Pholus
Feb 2012
#9
Great point "the physical conditions are way, way above average of the norm."
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#13
That's easy. Make students sign a no-suicide pact with financial penalties for their survivors.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#82
Fascinating. North Korea also has a similar law, if you kill yourself, your entire family suffers.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#88
Begs the question - how bad is the norm? We need to end the Costly Trade Agreements, increase tariff
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#12
Way, way? Is that some professional lingo? Is 'way, way' twice 'way' or 10x 'way'?
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2012
#14
It's a professional term: Way, way is "way to the way'th power" In other words EXPONENTIALLY. nt
Pholus
Feb 2012
#17
Your points are logical, and well reasoned, I do not expect a coherent response.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#57
I'm glad you pointed out the required technical conditions, I probably would've overlooked that.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#64
I'm simply amazed how things like this can ever be justified. Or that people even try...
Pholus
Feb 2012
#87
Sounds to me like "Hey, there *might* be a *surprise* inspection on Tuesday at 6:30 a.m." n/t
Earth_First
Feb 2012
#25
The board of the "Fair Labor Association" is full of corporate CEOs. What a joke!
Romulox
Feb 2012
#42
It's a significant amount, to be sure. I consider it dishonest not to disclose this fact
Romulox
Feb 2012
#47
IMHO, some of this raises questions about using DU for commercial promotion. nt
Romulox
Feb 2012
#48
So anyone who uses an electronic device has no business being concerned about the working conditions
Incitatus
Feb 2012
#58
Yes. I imagine you thought this comeback was a real winner. THEN YOU RAN ACROSS ME...
Pholus
Feb 2012
#90
I thought you said I wasn't worth debating with. I'll counter that Walmart sells loads too.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#121
Incidentally, that does prove you ran out of arguments when you resorted to "neener neener" talk.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#122
I appreciate the tactics which were brought to bear to make this happen. Very classy. See #82.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#83
Okay. Let's put this "everybody does it" thing to bed here. It's simply morally repugnant.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#110
Oh yes. People fight hard when desperate. Fundamental tenet of the "cheap labor" movement.
Pholus
Feb 2012
#112
Apple says that you too hold a blacksmith's hammer in the brave new "global economy."
Pholus
Feb 2012
#114
You make no sense. Why would ruining a perfectly functional TV make this better?
Pholus
Feb 2012
#116
Not enough? Too many? Who counts? Just call me an Apple hater; I like it.
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2012
#80