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In reply to the discussion: Former Hostess Employees Bitter About Wage Cuts (fork lift operator- $11 an hour) [View all]RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)168. The fact that it can get even worse doesn't mean we have to pretend 11/hr is 'nice'
The race to the bottom needs to stop somewhere
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Former Hostess Employees Bitter About Wage Cuts (fork lift operator- $11 an hour) [View all]
cali
Jul 2013
OP
Every time I see workers in mass layoffs or salaries cut, it's management that failed to do its job.
SharonAnn
Jul 2013
#103
that's BS and paired with your denial of global warming, the pattern is emerging
CreekDog
Jul 2013
#167
wrong,the greatest companies in the US were not government RUN companies but were heavily subsidized
kelliekat44
Jul 2013
#29
"others' money"? HOSTESS is the one who stole "others' money". "Communism" is apparently
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#134
"others money", a favorite RW talking point. Enjoy your stay. You won't be here long.
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#209
Most citizens from democratic socialist countries in Scandinavia would disagree. Strongly. nt
stillwaiting
Jul 2013
#48
It does NOT detract from the FACT that their form of socialism has provided
stillwaiting
Jul 2013
#82
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc, followed by a bumper sticker, and then a rationalization for summation
LanternWaste
Jul 2013
#121
Actually some investors are starting to divest from WalMart over their shitty labor practices.
Starry Messenger
Jul 2013
#111
But you can't blame the new owners" bullshit, corporate toady.. poor mis-understood owners
leftyohiolib
Jul 2013
#15
I operated a fork lift in 1960, fresh out of high school. It is not an upwardly
bike man
Jul 2013
#9
The guy is not 'expected' to do anything. He can accept a job at several dollars
bike man
Jul 2013
#21
I'd say he's learned not to trust employers or the US government, at a minimum. Also to do the
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#138
as another poster has pointed out, $11/hour buys you what minimum wage did in the 60s.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#154
I agree that the wage itself is bullshit. However, NOT because he has 22 years experience
joeglow3
Jul 2013
#176
The man worked at the same company for 22 years and maxed out at $16/hour, $33K/year.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#193
It's their problem because they will not get good, experienced employees at those wages.
surrealAmerican
Jul 2013
#14
Per IRS data, average income for the middle quintile of households in 2009 was $64.3K.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#199
Because IRS has the actual income/tax data, not the 'stated' data from census (which btw is noted
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#219
The guy gets $500/month for a 'pension'. not upper-middle class. Class is about relation to the
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#146
There are only two definitions of class that make any sense. One is about position on the income
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#191
what bullshit you spout. no, the ptb benefit when people like you whine about how a bakery
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#190
since you don't know what 'his wife the RN' makes, i'm not sure how it is you draw that conclusion.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#197
who are you kidding? $500 a month pension & he's in the 'upper middle class'?
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#140
he didn't 'retire at 55'. he lost his fucking job & had his pension stolen. try reading the article
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#188
he wasn't in the upper-middle-class when he was working & he isn't in the upper middle class
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#196
There's no perspective via which a bakery worker is upper-middle class. Even if he's married
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#216
And that's how it starts...the whole idea behind what's happened to our middle class.
maddiemom
Jul 2013
#53
We need to raise the minimum wage, and establish a guaranteed mimimum income for those who
reformist2
Jul 2013
#17
Forklifts can be damn dangerous. Shouldn't people controlling dangerous machines make a little more
tclambert
Jul 2013
#22
When you compare US wages to those in other countries, do you compare healthcare costs too?
Demit
Jul 2013
#59
If he can chef in "an upscale market," he's far from a ski bum. A lot of parents
maddiemom
Jul 2013
#57
Good for both of you. My brother and sister-in-law were upset that my nephew
maddiemom
Jul 2013
#101
bullshit. hostess increased their execs' pay while they were supposedly 'bankrupt'.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#217
big kr. happening in my town. I hate the fucks that are doing this, not only to this country, but
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#152
It can be a risk to eat food made by angry employees. Good luck to those willing to do so.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#92
This article reads like the forklift operators are acting like ungrateful children.
Apophis
Jul 2013
#107
Sorry I thought you were expressing your opinion about the workers. I'm sorry
HangOnKids
Jul 2013
#142
First, $16 an hour is huge bucks in many parts of the country, and $11 an hour is nice as well...
Demo_Chris
Jul 2013
#112
You're the one mocking this guy for not being happy about being paid shit.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#172
I live in one of the cheapest parts of the country and 16 an hour is not much.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#144
You're right, but it is MORE than virtually any of America's top ten employers pay
Demo_Chris
Jul 2013
#155
Your argument is basically "Hey it's terrible but there's nothing better so suck it up."
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#170
The fact that it can get even worse doesn't mean we have to pretend 11/hr is 'nice'
RedCappedBandit
Jul 2013
#168
If the posters who say such things are being serious, I am shocked and amazed.
reformist2
Jul 2013
#210
$11/hr for an experienced tradesman is an insult anywhere in the US or Canada. (nt)
Posteritatis
Jul 2013
#161
Five people in this thread alone defending the slow asphyxiation of the middle class.
LanternWaste
Jul 2013
#123
it's disgusting. one is retired so i guess the attitude is fuck you, i got mine.
frylock
Jul 2013
#182
another company gets away with suppressing wages and we're suppose to believe the
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#165
From a strictly financial point of view $11 an hour may be better then being unemployed
tiredtoo
Jul 2013
#185