An alternative view from a “lackey butt-kissing shit”

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118. Thanks for your reply

Re Border Patrol Checkpoints

There have been various detailed Supreme Court rulings that have looked at the issue in depth. Within 100 miles of the border the Border Patrol is allowed to stop and ask you questions but you are not required to answer. To conduct further investigation and searches they would have to have probable cause.

http://www.texasobserver.org/border-patrol-takes-no-for-an-answer-at-internal-checkpoints/

By email later, a Border Patrol spokesman gave me the answer I was looking for: “Although motorists are not legally required to answer the questions ‘are you a U.S. citizen and where are you headed,’ they will not be allowed to proceed until the inspecting agent is satisfied that the occupants of vehicles traveling through the checkpoint are legally present in the U.S.”

Border Patrol agents are granted authority to question the occupants of vehicles traveling through an established checkpoint based on U.S. vs. Martinez-Fuerte. That was a 1976 Supreme Court decision that said permanent or fixed checkpoints set up by the U.S. Border patrol on public highways leading to or away from the Mexican border are not a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

You completely missed the point re FDR. The point is that there is a double standard by many DUers when it comes to critiquing Presidents. Some DUers will praise FDR in one breath and condemn "Obama's assault on the 4th amendment" in the next. There is no metric that can be applied that would put FDR ahead of Obama in terms of protecting the 4th Amendment. Over 100,000 legal residents and citizens were rounded up put in camps and their property taken. Under Obama that number is exactly 0,

Under Bush ICE conducted random neighborhood searches looking for undocumented workers and deported them by the thousands. Under Obama that practice was halted (in the San Diego Sector one ICE Agent deported a single undocumented worker and was reprimanded). I travel with my undocumented future son in law through Border Patrol Check Points and show them the card allowing for temporary permission even though he has no visa and we travel along with no fear of a knock on the door.

FDR's use of Executive Order defied rational explanation of any kind because it didn't effect Japanese living in Hawaii where there was an active spy ring but did in Arizona where there was none. Moreover we had already broken the code and were reading the cable traffic at will so the whole thing had absolutely zero strategic or tactical sense.

The point again is that among many at DU there is one standard that applies to Obama that is not applied to other Democratic Presidents. If you want to have further insight into this phenomena I invite you to the African American Group and they will fill you in.