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ClarkJonathanKent

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141. This probably stopped being productive a long time ago...

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 07:31 PM

Jul 2013

I am going to break this down for you.

You said that I called Obama supporters "cheerleaders."

You said this as if I was doing something bad.
The only way it could be bad is if:

A. Absolutely no supporters qualify as "cheerleaders."
B. No one here at DU qualifies as a "cheerleader."

The statement itself also implies that I mean ALL supporters are cheerleaders because only a moron would object to the idea that SOME supporters are cheerleaders.

The only way we can find out which of these is your opinion is if you answer actual questions. Since you refuse to do so, we can never arrive at a consensus or find some middle ground.

Unlike yourself, I actually addressed points you were trying to make. I participated in a dialog in a good faith effort to reach some sort of resolution.

You did not. All you did was keep moving the goalposts and ignore direct questions when the answers to those questions would betray your narrative. So I think I am done. Now I know how Obama feels when he tries to have a reasonable dialog with the Republicans.

Take care. Feel free to have the last word.

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Surprised by the atmosphere here.... [View all] ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 OP

The quickest way to make the Greatest page is to bash Obama from the left. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #1

you summed it up well in your post title sentence Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #2

which is why icarusxat Jul 2013 #93

Obama's FDR-like speeches used to make the Greatest page leftstreet Jul 2013 #8

he got elected nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9

He got elected and failed to even give lip service to promises that were important to byeya Jul 2013 #16

DU is not reflective of either the Democratic party or the USA. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #19

You don't need a majority to agree with you to rule. David__77 Jul 2013 #31

Progressives by and large do critically support him. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #33

OK. sibelian Jul 2013 #76

LOL.....sibelian Skittles Jul 2013 #116

Wow, way to diss most of the board. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #78

I didn't say 'most' of DU. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #81

Lol, okay if you say so! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #119

Take any poll done re: Obama and tell me I'm wrong nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #120

What does that have to do with my comment? How odd that the first thing to jump sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #121

To which party are you referring? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #122

The Third Party that has infiltrated the Democratic Party. Would you like a history of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #145

A bit premature for purges. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #146

There is never a time for purging. But there is always a time for cleaning out sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #147

LMAO. Last word is yours. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #148

Of course, it's hard to argue against facts, I understand, I've found myself in that sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #149

You're contradicting yourself. Marr Jul 2013 #37

No, I'm saying that (1)it's a lot easier to campaign than to govern; and (2) Obama has always geek tragedy Jul 2013 #40

+1000 Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #51

I believe he was the one that wanted t have his feet held to the fire. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #36

I'm glad you like Obama, but that statement is so friggin' false. loudsue Jul 2013 #74

It's fucking true. Bashing Obama is way more popular here than bashing geek tragedy Jul 2013 #90

Your definition of "bashing" is anything that doesnt give acolades to the President. And they wouldn rhett o rick Jul 2013 #111

Half the people you list are Democrats. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #113

No, they are all Republicans. That nominal letter by the name is meaningless. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #131

Criticizing his policies isn't "bashing him" AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #152

Calling for more reasoned debate is always welcome! randome Jul 2013 #3

I'll agree with that Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #5

Maturity is sure to kick in after another few days flamingdem Jul 2013 #50

President Obama was the single best choice since LBJ. He was not JUST the best available, but the #1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #4

stop with the cheerleading. mmmkay?? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #6

Why should I not give my opinion which many people agree with? President Obama is the graham4anything Jul 2013 #12

Yea Baby Jane for POTUS... L0oniX Jul 2013 #15

OMG STOP IT L0oniX Skittles Jul 2013 #75

I needed a good belly laugh today - thank you! Divernan Jul 2013 #85

Count me as agreeing with you! beveeheart Jul 2013 #61

No way BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #71

+1 L0oniX Jul 2013 #99

Yeah, I would join you in a pipe, TheJames Jul 2013 #96

LOL L0oniX Jul 2013 #98

Extreme worshipping is rampant here. L0oniX Jul 2013 #13

He has his hero, you have yours. randome Jul 2013 #14

yup, plenty worship manning and snowden.. some even stand with rand. nt dionysus Jul 2013 #70

Another exaggeration treestar Jul 2013 #83

LOL, and you still question the "cheerleading" complaints? n-t Logical Jul 2013 #25

After 1001 smears against the president, from the birthers to Rev. Wright, etc. it's just another graham4anything Jul 2013 #30

"finally, LBJ is being seen as the greatest liberal president of all time" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #35

I see LBJ for what he is: A President who lied the country into war using a false incident. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #47

What are you smoking? Apophis Jul 2013 #39

I could name you any number of choices who would have been better progressive alternatives totodeinhere Jul 2013 #54

Welcome toDU October Jul 2013 #7

There is plenty of balance. Only those who are losing the argument are complaining. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #26

No. Don't think so. Been here a long time. October Jul 2013 #144

Actually I disagree with you. It's more like a right-wing Obama hate fest lately. OregonBlue Jul 2013 #10

I think this is worse than the heydey of Occupy. randome Jul 2013 #20

Am I a right wing Obama hater when I am critical of the president for doing right wing things? tularetom Jul 2013 #24

why of course you are, and far worse, so please don't criticize any policies ok lol nt msongs Jul 2013 #32

No. Did someone accuse you of being one? n/t ElboRuum Jul 2013 #64

that's a problem G_j Jul 2013 #34

The louder the cheer-leading the louder the criticism nineteen50 Jul 2013 #41

Or . . . TimeToGo Jul 2013 #66

Why do you use the negative term "cheer leading" for one side treestar Jul 2013 #84

yep mick063 Jul 2013 #158

LOLOL Skittles Jul 2013 #68

Yep and yep and yep again. Number23 Jul 2013 #73

Right-wing hate fest? Can you point me to some posts that criticize Obama for being too liberal? Doctor_J Jul 2013 #125

I've lurked here too friendlyFRIEND Jul 2013 #11

I would like to downplay it as a "family squabble" Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #17

Well-said. Thanks for posting it. spooky3 Jul 2013 #18

My complaints are always based on disagreement with Obama's and all democrats' policies. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #21

Amen carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #22

Oy. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #23

Well said. pacalo Jul 2013 #27

You must not be a very good lurker.. DCBob Jul 2013 #28

Bravo. Excellent post. Thanks. Scuba Jul 2013 #29

Well said randr Jul 2013 #38

Nice try CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #42

Nailed it CakeGrrl. The trolls are out in force and having fun at our expense. OregonBlue Jul 2013 #43

Yes, everyone that disagrees with an Obama policy LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #62

Greenwald's Army? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #65

I think you're un-necessarily defensive. Myrina Jul 2013 #89

I suspect Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #95

So I guess whining about DU is okay as long JTFrog Jul 2013 #44

I guess the old Pony VS Cheerleader Compromise has been rendered null & void by the new jury system. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #48

What about a cheerleader on a pony? flamingdem Jul 2013 #52

No sex threads, remember? Scurrilous Jul 2013 #56

Yes burnodo Jul 2013 #55

I agree. I have severe problems with his drug, privacy, Afgan, I think single payer... marble falls Jul 2013 #45

And a quick read though of this thread and you see zeemike Jul 2013 #46

very well said and spot in IMHO. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #49

really nice post! the either/or push is counterproductive b/c like you say, we can nashville_brook Jul 2013 #53

I think we got a huge influx of recovering Republicans Warpy Jul 2013 #57

You Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #58

LOL! nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #126

The only ones who have been disloyal to the Party, blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #59

I'm still trying to figure how/why this is something "new" stupidicus Jul 2013 #60

Excellent post! dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #108

thanks stupidicus Jul 2013 #118

Yes, I have had the same dashed hopes dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #150

far from a waste of time stupidicus Jul 2013 #159

Nice try, Superman. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #63

you speak the truth, Clark Skittles Jul 2013 #67

Good for you! another_liberal Jul 2013 #69

I'm not surprised Hydra Jul 2013 #72

THANK YOU HYDRA Skittles Jul 2013 #77

+1000 forestpath Jul 2013 #86

Hydra, that was so well said Oilwellian Jul 2013 #97

I wish I could recommend this post Marrah_G Jul 2013 #101

people of conscience have a conscience datasuspect Jul 2013 #112

It took awhile to grind me down Doctor_J Jul 2013 #154

This is Definitly not any Cheerleaders for Obama association. All you have to do is Cha Jul 2013 #79

You forgot the davidpdx Jul 2013 #82

And this hit and run JTFrog Jul 2013 #91

Whining about DU isn't Meta when it's bashing Obama supporters... SidDithers Jul 2013 #123

I know, Sid.. The Obama Haters are in Charge. I hope they don't think Cha Jul 2013 #134

there are those who politics is about advancing a policy agenda and there are those who see politics Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #80

K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #87

thanks LindaCollins11 Jul 2013 #88

Cool story, Bro! FSogol Jul 2013 #92

This. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #94

Hey Bobbie Jo Puglover Jul 2013 #155

I'm flattered Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #156

As a fellow long-time lurker Saviolo Jul 2013 #100

Let me first say thank you to the mostly polite responses so far.. ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #102

"Bashing" is projection-- what THEY want to do to YOU to punish criticism carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #130

Very well said, Mr. Kent. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #151

Sadly big brother often treats dissent as a form of disloyalty that will not be tolerated, as in the indepat Jul 2013 #103

Well said! nt jimlup Jul 2013 #104

I say this about our politicians, "He's an asshole, but he is our asshole." alfredo Jul 2013 #105

I Suprised At The Number of These Threads otohara Jul 2013 #106

It doesn't seem reasonable to me. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #107

I will try to address this: ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #132

You are joking, you have to be Progressive dog Jul 2013 #133

I think you are deliberately trying to be difficult here ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #136

You started trying to be difficult and stayed Progressive dog Jul 2013 #138

Is this the "I know you are but what am I" distraction? ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #139

my assumptions are from your own words Progressive dog Jul 2013 #140

This probably stopped being productive a long time ago... ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Progressive dog Jul 2013 #142

You don't give up making stuff up Progressive dog Jul 2013 #143

"The attack Obama side routinely uses tea-party name calling with Nazi, Fascist, authoritarian" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #137

Very well said. While some actions of the President Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #109

You appear to have decided that the majority of the responsibility for what has gone wrong patrice Jul 2013 #110

Not sure if this was addressed to me. ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #128

here at DU. nt patrice Jul 2013 #129

I think there is certainly a lot of blame to go around. ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #135

Dissent is not the same as disloyalty... Crow73 Jul 2013 #114

Beautifully said. Thanks. You express my opinion and my sentiments. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #115

Nuance. What a radical concept. n/t Crunchy Frog Jul 2013 #117

You make DU suck. great white snark Jul 2013 #124

Given your name, I am not sure if your comments are supposed to be taken seriously... ClarkJonathanKent Jul 2013 #127

+1 n/t!!!!!!! Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #153

K&R Question everything, regardless of who Dash87 Jul 2013 #157