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delrem

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77. It's being allowed because the Judge is bad.

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:08 AM

Jul 2013

Facts from TMs history have no fucking bearing on Z's state of mind, because Z didn't have a clue about them.
What kind of utter fool judge would think that Z could've been "in fear of death" because TM did this or that earlier, since Z didn't know anything about TM except that he was an apparently "black punk who always gets away with it"?

What is it that recommends this judgment? Is it that although Z, armed with a loaded gun, tracked down and shot TM, he *might've* known such and such about TM, if only he had know that it was TM (and not some generic "black punk&quot he was shooting dead, close up?

This trial stinks and I'll be glad when it's over, and I really really hope that the jury (chosen just because they were totally ignorant of close to *anything*) makes a decision against armed vigilantism.

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TRAYVON MARTIN IS NOT ON TRIAL [View all] Hugabear Jul 2013 OP

Why is this sort of thing being allowed in the trial? (nt) enough Jul 2013 #1

It shouldn't be. It's irrelevant as hell. Like bringing up the past sexual history of Lex Jul 2013 #4

Right now it's admissibility is being discussed Nevernose Jul 2013 #8

That's much more relevant! tblue Jul 2013 #70

Victim shaming... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #65

If it is, then the prosecution should have introduced information on Zimmerman's past sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #69

You are correct shenmue Jul 2013 #2

K&R! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #3

It's only being allowed because of a self-defense case LittleBlue Jul 2013 #5

Zimmerman didn't know anything about Trayvon Hugabear Jul 2013 #10

Exactly. nt Lex Jul 2013 #13

That isn't relevant. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #15

The defense depends on Zimmerman being afraid of what Trayvon was doing. yardwork Jul 2013 #64

It affects the probability that Martin assaulted Zimmerman. Vattel Jul 2013 #72

So thinking about buying a gun (maybe) Just Saying Jul 2013 #76

So does Zimmerman's violent history yardwork Jul 2013 #83

I agree Vattel Jul 2013 #85

No matter what Zimmerman vankuria Jul 2013 #82

Trayvon didn't have a gun that night. Lex Jul 2013 #12

It is according to the law. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #16

No it's not. nt Lex Jul 2013 #17

Then all the more reason to assume Zimmerman had his gun out when he confronted Martin. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2013 #21

cite, please frylock Jul 2013 #33

Citation LittleBlue Jul 2013 #36

So, Zimmerman was PSYCHIC, and knew that Martin had tried to buy a gun just by looking at him? TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #41

I don't know where the defense is going with this tbh LittleBlue Jul 2013 #44

is TM not afforded the right to defend himself against "Death or great bodily harm?" frylock Jul 2013 #42

He is too. Whoever wins is solid. Whoever can afford a gun to kill is the winner NoOneMan Jul 2013 #56

what a country frylock Jul 2013 #59

I hope it doesn't come down to delrem Jul 2013 #75

Yeah, but he had a picture of a gun! reusrename Jul 2013 #50

But he didn't know anything about Martin except that he was young and black Marrah_G Jul 2013 #57

It's being allowed because the Judge is bad. delrem Jul 2013 #77

That has nothing to do with the trial! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #6

Well said malaise Jul 2013 #7

It's a window into how Zimmerman saw Trayvon, and how the law enforcement community saw him. yardwork Jul 2013 #66

It sure feels like Trayvon is on trial. FarPoint Jul 2013 #9

ZM attacked a Policeman ,molested a woman, and beat up an ex GF? Why aren't they discussing that? HipChick Jul 2013 #11

To me, Zimmerman's history is highly relevant because it indicates a pattern of violent behavior. yardwork Jul 2013 #67

Can the prosecution now bring in Z's past as a defense rebuttal? The defence opened the door to Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #86

I agree, Trayvon did NOT have a gun when he was shot, Zimmerman did... Spazito Jul 2013 #14

Wouldn't it be weird if the judge prohibited discussion about Trayvon Martin? Blue Bike Jul 2013 #18

Since Trayvon has already been discussed, then yeah, Lex Jul 2013 #31

Sure, but this stuff has nothing to do with either his actions or his state of mind. reusrename Jul 2013 #52

He was a 17 year old KID. Avalux Jul 2013 #19

... CatWoman Jul 2013 #20

This!!! ^^^ Just Saying Jul 2013 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #30

YES!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #35

To a certain extent, I agree with you. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #22

Still, introducing any evidence that Trayvon may have Lex Jul 2013 #26

I was referring to the last line more than anything. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #27

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #80

Complete bullshit. Lex Jul 2013 #81

ok Hear this.. DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #32

Well said. n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #51

Ok. But if the shooter was black, tblue Jul 2013 #71

Damn Skippy, Brother! nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #24

of course Trayvon is on trial Skittles Jul 2013 #25

Defense is trying to prove that Iliyah Jul 2013 #28

Yes, the fact that the defense even came up with such a smarmy question of whether lumpy Jul 2013 #40

Of Course He Is. dballance Jul 2013 #29

By bringing in details of Martin's character/background is the defense trying to prove that lumpy Jul 2013 #47

Agreed dballance Jul 2013 #79

Yeah, CNN was saying what a nice person one of the defense lawyers was... tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #34

CNN = Faux News-lite. Turn it off. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #37

Thx. I don't usually watch it, but it was on at the gym...and I agree with you. tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #73

No kidding. I wonder if he'd SUCCEEDED in buying a gun, and ended up shooting Zimmerman TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #38

+++ Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #78

american/floridian heaven05 Jul 2013 #39

Frankly, I'm far less worried about Zimmerman getting a reduced sentence, plead down to Manslaughter TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #45

If he was going to 'plead down' to manslaughter, it would've already happened, long ago ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #74

Guns are only bad when black males are interested in them, apparently. Nine Jul 2013 #43

Trayvon was more of a man than Zimmerman ever will be riverwalker Jul 2013 #46

Most of us believe that if Martin's private life is exposed in this court then it should be allowed lumpy Jul 2013 #49

First off, he didn't have a gun the night he was murdered obama2terms Jul 2013 #48

Sounds like the defense is getting desparate. This new tactic is purely the defense trying to lumpy Jul 2013 #54

They want to jury to think that even if he didn't cause his death, he was "purgeable" NoOneMan Jul 2013 #55

I hope you're right! obama2terms Jul 2013 #88

Unfortunately he was not armed NoOneMan Jul 2013 #53

BS. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #58

In this specific case, thats true simply due to age NoOneMan Jul 2013 #60

He had a picture of a gun on his phone. reusrename Jul 2013 #61

I want to know if that mystery hand had trace THC in their bloodstream NoOneMan Jul 2013 #62

Zimmerman's troubled past c588415 Jul 2013 #63

Welcome to DU! yardwork Jul 2013 #68

victims are ALWAYS on trial markiv Jul 2013 #84

The judge, by allowing a tiny bit of marijuana in Trayvon's system to be entered as evidence, indepat Jul 2013 #87