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161. An excellent example of MISSION CREEP

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:42 AM

Jul 2013

Yes, the Border Patrol was allowed to set up checkpoints deeper into the country than they are nominally allowed TO FIND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. I love people with theoretical understanding of this law talking about it. Look, just try to "not answer" at one of those checkpoints sometime and see how you're treated. Your friends might start telling you that you sound like a libertarian afterwards!

And pray tell, why then do they get to jump a drug dog up onto my truck bed to sniff around when I pass through their checkpoint? It isn't with my permission certainly. It has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. So much for the Supreme Court ruling that "A search or seizure is ordinarily unreasonable in the absence of individualized suspicion of wrongdoing (Indianapolis v. Edmond)." It's MISSION CREEP -- they got you standing there for one thing so they might as well check for another.

And I am supposed to be okay with massive dragnet surveillance because they will stop at "National Security?"

Not like they've had a great track record keeping to their mandate.

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An alternative view from a �lackey butt-kissing shit� [View all] grantcart Jul 2013 OP

Seriously? NoOneMan Jul 2013 #1

And yours highlights the lost art of reading and comprehension. sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #4

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That would require I valued wading past the first few paragraphs NoOneMan Jul 2013 #8

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IOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #82

�lackey butt-kissing shit� pocoloco Jul 2013 #172

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speaking for everyone? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #50

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Rec because it is a GREAT post. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #2

Indeed...eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #51

I agree. Blanks Jul 2013 #177

Well Done, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #3

You lost me here: GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #9

That's a shame ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #85

Good post...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #12

The opposite is also true here. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #14

If there are people who state that then it is wrong and counter productive, but grantcart Jul 2013 #21

Here is the counter list: Pholus Jul 2013 #135

Don't forget "authoritarian" and "jack booted thug"... MADem Jul 2013 #155

Two wrongs don't make a right--and ironically, you complain about their name calling you ("hater)-- Moonwalk Jul 2013 #35

Phony enthusiasm is like high school pep rallies. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #39

Once again, you prove the point, by trying to excuse YOUR condemnation.... Moonwalk Jul 2013 #128

A swing and a miss hobbit709 Jul 2013 #130

No miss at all if others get the message. Thank you for being such a good example. Moonwalk Jul 2013 #132

That's a natural and very old cognitive habit that is used by either/any side to OPPRESS. patrice Jul 2013 #96

There's an old saying IrishAyes Jul 2013 #195

This should resonate more than it will. great white snark Jul 2013 #16

I WILL FITE YOU for "lackey butt-kissing shit" #1 position. phleshdef Jul 2013 #19

Yeah, I'd be no where in the Cha Jul 2013 #131

It's a shame that the President has put his most ardent supporters into a position where ... dawg Jul 2013 #22

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #24

some of which are war crimes, un constitutional and crimes against humanity..very sad indeed..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #34

^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #36

^^^THIS^^^ = strawman...noted along with Paulian memes. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #40

That's all you've got? dawg Jul 2013 #42

Is more needed? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #65

I honestly don't think you even understand ... dawg Jul 2013 #70

Unfortunately, many of our conservative defenders of an authoritarian government ... bvar22 Jul 2013 #185

That's all any of them have. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #120

That was not pitchy at all, dawg!! bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #76

that's not support, it is OBSESSION Skittles Jul 2013 #143

Zactly.......nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #149

Yep. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #162

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #181

Overload ...got a life ...I reserve book time for late night. L0oniX Jul 2013 #23

lol did someone force you by gun point to read the OP? grantcart Jul 2013 #30

bwahh haa haa haaa *gasp for air* haaahhaaa Sheepshank Jul 2013 #52

I thank people like that for the kick.... MADem Jul 2013 #156

I appreciate the friend who sent me a link to your OP IrishAyes Jul 2013 #196

Well done. bemildred Jul 2013 #27

Sorry but your OP is way too long to address each point. I do find it interesting rhett o rick Jul 2013 #29

I didn't complain about DU not hiding a thread grantcart Jul 2013 #33

We must fight apathy and complacency and be vigilant. It's not paranoia to recognize rhett o rick Jul 2013 #81

Kick & Recommend Pirate Smile Jul 2013 #31

What does it mean to be a "100% supporter of the President" ??? polichick Jul 2013 #32

I consider myself to be a FDR Democrat. grantcart Jul 2013 #41

I must've missed "the vitriol that is used to disparage the President"... polichick Jul 2013 #73

Great post. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #88

It's pretty obvious that 'shit' refers to behaviour, not a person muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #37

Obviously you find vitriol against the President and his supporters to be grantcart Jul 2013 #49

If they're fishing through everyone's records for patterns, then everyone's under surveillance muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #61

missed his point, I think bigtree Jul 2013 #58

"ask them what they believe or represent" - so why didn't he ask WillyT, instead of posting the OP? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #68

good example bigtree Jul 2013 #78

Thank you! Cha Jul 2013 #136

Lame attempt. No one.. much less bigtree is Cha Jul 2013 #137

Hey, count me in too! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #197

K&R. Well said. Bottom line: GOTV 2014. FSogol Jul 2013 #38

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Absolutely n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #90

An excellent OP, grant! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #43

Kick! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #45

I'm seeing this issue in pretty much the same way as grantcart Jessy169 Jul 2013 #46

thank you! bookmarking to read later BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #47

Yes. Long time since I heard that one. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #198

nice thread, as usual bigtree Jul 2013 #48

Well, first of all, let me say this is very well put-together OP NuclearDem Jul 2013 #53

Wow...a complete list of excuses and rationalizations all in one place zeemike Jul 2013 #54

K & R MoreGOPoop Jul 2013 #55

Do you expect me to read books about your hurt feelings? xtraxritical Jul 2013 #57

Based on your nuanced and insightful response, no one expects you to read any books at all. Ever. 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author xtraxritical Jul 2013 #84

The lexicon and manners of those who wear Obama's name like a shield speak volumes Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #169

I can't imagine someone who objects to this OP being too long reading Dostoevsky or Tolstoy stevenleser Jul 2013 #194

Your incredible effort on the OP is appreciated - well done, and thought-provoking. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #59

I couldn't have said it better. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #125

If you can't catch a rodent any other way, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #199

Well done and worth the read Sheepshank Jul 2013 #63

K & R! Quite possibly the most sane and rational OP I've ever read on DU. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #64

This is the longest post at DU I have read all the way Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #66

Great OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #71

Not entirely. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #200

I want to start... Wait Wut Jul 2013 #75

A rather long thread to get the point across. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #77

Maybe you should have ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #92

I did read it. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #95

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #99

The other points were burrs on bushes that scratch your leg. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #107

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #110

Touche. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #201

Thanks for the authoritarian view. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #167

A couple of points and a question. cali Jul 2013 #80

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #94

I doubt cali read the whole thing the first time. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #98

I doubt more than a few ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #100

well written and seriously needed sigmasix Jul 2013 #83

Enthusiastic K&R!!!!! cliffordu Jul 2013 #86

Sanity has returned to DU with your post BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #87

Fascist propaganda against those with whom they disagree is prejudiced & over-simplified. You can patrice Jul 2013 #91

These same people Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #157

And we are known by our fruits. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #202

There is no such thing as an absolute right. Rights are relative; that's what makes them rights. patrice Jul 2013 #93

K/R CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #97

If you want to think of yourself as a lackey etc etc Rex Jul 2013 #101

You said, "No one is going to be persuaded by this thread." Ilsa Jul 2013 #102

Its just on this issue that for the most part opinions have crystallilzed grantcart Jul 2013 #105

Yes, a ton of assumption, conclusion jumping (me too), and petty personal attacks here BornLooser Jul 2013 #103

I wish I could rec a reply. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #109

Thanks BornLooser Jul 2013 #114

Thank you, grantcart -- you're my kind of "lackey butt-kissing shit"! VOX Jul 2013 #104

Excellent post! zappaman Jul 2013 #106

Reminded me of the requirement to report payments over $10,000 treestar Jul 2013 #108

An excellent post. Kick. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #111

Why are we assuming that everyone on either/any side of this is exactly what they patrice Jul 2013 #112

Thank you Grantcart felix_numinous Jul 2013 #113

An interesting manifesto. bvar22 Jul 2013 #115

Thanks for your reply grantcart Jul 2013 #118

Nobody here praises FDR for the Japanese Internment. bvar22 Jul 2013 #126

The double standard that is being used to judge President Obama is so grantcart Jul 2013 #165

Let me make it real simple for you. bvar22 Jul 2013 #187

You'd make a great spin doctor. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #205

My argument (that YOU avoid adressing in your Ad Hominen attack) is Basic Logic bvar22 Jul 2013 #206

Some people mistake a string of hot words as wisdom IrishAyes Jul 2013 #207

No ... No ... No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #192

An excellent example of MISSION CREEP Pholus Jul 2013 #161

Not too many years ago, I could drive Coast to Coast WITHOUT... bvar22 Jul 2013 #186

which court? oh, the roberts court. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #164

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #150

I think you completely miss the point of the surveillance state. reusrename Jul 2013 #116

Yes! dougolat Jul 2013 #189

Simply Outstanding. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #117

Truly, some people are comfortable with their chains and the callouses they have grown galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #119

are you comfortable in your chains? Californeeway Jul 2013 #191

Concise and informative post from a long-timer. Spot-on analysis, sir. byronius Jul 2013 #121

Great post grantcart! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #122

Screw that noise! I don't even trust myself 100% Throd Jul 2013 #123

K&R!!!!!! Bravo and thank you! stevenleser Jul 2013 #124

Excellent post, grantcart. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #127

Man... Must Have Hit A Nerve... Thanks GrantCart !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #133

Of course, it was obvious who the OP was refering to.. Cha Jul 2013 #134

anyone who supports a politician 100% lacks credibility Skittles Jul 2013 #138

Agreeing with and supporting are two different things. grantcart Jul 2013 #142

Good that you aren't announcing that you're leaving. I would have given you my normal salute bluestate10 Jul 2013 #139

WOW! A long but GREAT post! jazzimov Jul 2013 #140

I can't believe that I missed you the first time. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #141

Wow - amazing post! Politicub Jul 2013 #144

I'M A HUGE FAN!!!!! Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #145

Flemish? Kurovski Jul 2013 #146

You didn't hit the link grantcart Jul 2013 #166

Kick for the night crowd cliffordu Jul 2013 #147

Well, it's settled then. n/t pa28 Jul 2013 #148

This forum is totally unworthy of such an intelligent FACTUAL post Number23 Jul 2013 #151

grantcart dropping a reasonable and clear headed post, as usual. joshcryer Jul 2013 #152

That was a lovely romp! Not only do I agree with your comments, I've said most of them as well, MADem Jul 2013 #153

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #158

We desperately need more threads like these in GD. Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #159

Beats the vitriolic ones for sure...and the ones that have One Cryptic Sentence as the subject line! MADem Jul 2013 #204

Great post. Bravo to my favorite LBKS. lamp_shade Jul 2013 #160

Whining about DU. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #163

If you think this is whining about DU then first please hit the alert button grantcart Jul 2013 #168

tldr East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #183

sis boom bah bobduca Jul 2013 #170

It is impossible to have substantive discussions with those who cannot grasp, Zorra Jul 2013 #171

I found your reply hilarious and I don't apologize if you think it is condescending grantcart Jul 2013 #173

"Good luck with that whole "going to change the world by posting copies of lyrics" thing." bobduca Jul 2013 #175

I would be happy if that became the new standard for civility. grantcart Jul 2013 #178

I'm sorry, but I believe you must have missed this part of my post: Zorra Jul 2013 #182

! Number23 Jul 2013 #190

Great post. Thank you! ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #174

Thanks, grant. I've dropped out of the NSA threads - too high strung, reactionary, toby jo Jul 2013 #176

I did read all of your post, and I am impressed Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #179

Lol excellent point. I don't think anyone was rising to the level of an epitaph. grantcart Jul 2013 #180

Good, I would hate to see you go away! Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #184

Here's a very public thank you. Autumn Jul 2013 #188

Kick nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #193

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