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30. Could this end up being grounds for appeal?

Reply to warrior1 (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:39 AM

Jul 2013

From what I've been reading, Florida case law supports electronic messages being used as evidence.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - MORNING, Day 12, Wednesday, July 10, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

The defense did have the phone material, it had been given to them in a 'bin file'... Spazito Jul 2013 #1

OK. I only saw a few minutes of that session. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #2

The state did their job when they avebury Jul 2013 #3

do you know what is meant by a bin file? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #7

binary file that needs to be opened by an application, I believe as in convert to pdf chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #11

AFTERNOON THREAD LINK Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #354

It is like a computer file. I imagine they avebury Jul 2013 #13

Yes, they gave the defense what they had and basically made them do chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #15

thanks! TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #18

I think they're referring to a binary file. Jim__ Jul 2013 #17

The defense seems to be playing games. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #4

Yep, and adding to that the defense seems to have plenty of time for press... Spazito Jul 2013 #5

It's a delay tactic. Lisa D Jul 2013 #8

Ding ding... Winner! n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #56

I saw that video and was gobsmacked justiceischeap Jul 2013 #9

I thought the same thing. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #22

The complaining defense attorney JimDandy Jul 2013 #66

Trying to get a declaration of mis-trial? Myrina Jul 2013 #49

Is the prosecution expected to call any of Martin's friends in rebuttal to chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #6

Any witnesses the prosecution wanted to put on the stand had to be called during their phase of the Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #20

The State has the right to put on a rebuttal case after the defense rests.... Spazito Jul 2013 #23

No animation, no text messages Marrah_G Jul 2013 #10

Judge Nelson has denied the defense re the animation and the... Spazito Jul 2013 #12

Whaaaa? That's not good to allow it in closing, though, JimDandy Jul 2013 #75

they can only use it to illustrate evidence that is already admitted magical thyme Jul 2013 #86

The State, having the final say through their rebuttal closing argument after the defense... Spazito Jul 2013 #172

Judge ruled. Cartoon can't be used as evidence. TM's phone stuff can't be used. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #14

The correct ruling warrior1 Jul 2013 #16

Could this end up being grounds for appeal? YarnAddict Jul 2013 #30

they weren't admitted because they weren't authenticated TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #37

People think there are all sorts of grounds for appeal; there aren't. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #103

Dennis Root, Private Investigator and defense trainer called. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #19

This guy is about to say deadly force was used correctly, I believe. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #21

This could backfire. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #24

Very much so. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #25

If nothing else, it will showcase Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #27

I am looking forward to prosecution asking what the procedure is chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #274

They could very easily address how Martin could use self defense. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #29

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #277

I agree, particularly if the PA avebury Jul 2013 #31

I agree... Punkingal Jul 2013 #48

The second livestream works: ellisonz Jul 2013 #26

So in other words, we are to believe that avebury Jul 2013 #32

Expert on fighting & personal weapons. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #33

Nope, he's an expert on everything. n/t ellisonz Jul 2013 #38

Ok, I imagine I'm on the jury, I am doing my best, but my mind wanders as I wonder Ninga Jul 2013 #34

Zimmerman's wife has yet to testify... Spazito Jul 2013 #35

Maybe defense thinks that all the blah blah blah will make the jury forget she even exists.......nt Ninga Jul 2013 #41

They can hope but it won't happen... Spazito Jul 2013 #46

I would think the jury is already been wondering TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #43

Yep, that is my thinking as well... Spazito Jul 2013 #47

and if they do call her, Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #258

The defense is between a rock and a hard place due to the actions of their client and... Spazito Jul 2013 #281

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #269

How will the judge handle the defense witness that violated the sequester order Ninga Jul 2013 #36

There were two witnesses who violated their sequestration order.... Spazito Jul 2013 #40

Thx... Nt Ninga Jul 2013 #42

can you say more about this? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #270

Oh I get it...this arms expert wants his five minutes in the spotlight.... Ninga Jul 2013 #39

I can't figure out what he's doing on the stand at all TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #45

He's there to promote himself and his business n/t tom_kelly Jul 2013 #55

so far that's all I can see with this guy TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #61

Interesting that Root reached out to the defense in order to help them MrScorpio Jul 2013 #44

I think so, and as a jury person, if my job is to be a critical thinker, when he Ninga Jul 2013 #50

The payment he is received may be free advertising for avebury Jul 2013 #54

Of course... Ninga Jul 2013 #59

Bingo! MrScorpio Jul 2013 #60

I would like to get Root to admit that a person avebury Jul 2013 #51

I vote for you to question Root...good thinking! Nt Ninga Jul 2013 #52

"totally incapable of defending himself physically" ??? Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #238

Testimony on Zimmerman's physical ability came from his avebury Jul 2013 #248

And the trainer said that Zimmy was completely incapable of defending himself? Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #249

pretty much said he is "soft" HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #253

Yup. Doesn't even know how to throw a punch. nt avebury Jul 2013 #261

and even without MMA training, TM knows how to punch. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #264

So wait, Mr Good talked to the defense attorneys or just the defenses ME?! thx in advance uponit7771 Jul 2013 #53

Mr Goode violated the sequester order by talking to the ME, and before he testified...the other Ninga Jul 2013 #58

Mr. Goode also talked to Daniel Schumaker, consulted on the animation... Spazito Jul 2013 #64

Freakin wow!! What usually happens when soemone does this? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #65

I am not sure, the Judge will take this up for sure... Spazito Jul 2013 #73

just got the answer to the question I posed you above.. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #276

I am hoping Florida's Sunshine Laws will apply to any hearing on this... Spazito Jul 2013 #286

I guess this witness thinks everyone should have the rights of a LEO... Spazito Jul 2013 #57

I would say it calls attention to anyone being able to protect themselves, which LEO's do. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #63

Yes, I can see why you would think so... Spazito Jul 2013 #71

and most LEO's will give you a ticket for not wearing your seat belt while they are not wearing HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #77

LOL, great shift of topic... Spazito Jul 2013 #85

I should have worded it differently then, I didn't mean what you think I meant. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #91

LEOs have the right to defend themselves... Spazito Jul 2013 #114

but he has the right to defend himself if he feels his life is in danger, no? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #121

Everyone has the right to defend themselves if they feel their life is in danger... Spazito Jul 2013 #131

I'm saying that people have the right to defend themselves. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #137

did Trayvon Martin have a right to defend himself from a man with a gun? CitizenLeft Jul 2013 #325

yes. he just didn't do it well enough. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #327

does that include TM? frylock Jul 2013 #337

as I have stated before, yes. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #338

LEOs don't use seat belts because they have to exit the vehicle quickly. displacedtexan Jul 2013 #308

ok forget about seat belts. what about officers who drink and drive or let their "buddies" HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #311

Zimmerman - the wannabe cop is avebury Jul 2013 #76

and yours is so believable! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #79

It is known that Zimmerman did make a phone call (remember there is avebury Jul 2013 #88

and why has that information not come out about who was called? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #93

anyone does have a right to protect themselves. magical thyme Jul 2013 #140

which he did, did he not? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #142

we don't know for a fact what happened... magical thyme Jul 2013 #175

the gun would have to be right in from of his nose for the kickback to cause damage to the nose. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #179

And Martin may have been wrestling with Zimmerman after Z pulled his gun magical thyme Jul 2013 #196

have you ever fired a handgun before? do you realize what it would look like holding a gun right in HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #200

1. No. 2. Have you ever fired a gun while somebody had their hands over yours and was wrestling with magical thyme Jul 2013 #207

1. that answers a lot, especially how you feel about self-defense with a gun. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #211

My understanding is it takes only one finger to pull a trigger. Even toddlers seem to be offing magical thyme Jul 2013 #229

you are saying that Z would pull the gun all the way to his nice before he fires? yeah he can do it HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #233

when 2 people are wrestling for a single object, nobody has complete control over where it is magical thyme Jul 2013 #257

but Z ended up feeling his life was threatened and did what he felt he needed. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #260

it's not enough to claim to feel threatened. it must be reasonable to feel threatened. affirmative magical thyme Jul 2013 #267

maybe not enough for your life to feel threatened, but maybe it was for him. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #273

And he was friggin wrong then, and when he struck out after unarmed, innocent kid. Hoyt Jul 2013 #297

so you can tell in different situations when a person should fear for their life and when they HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #305

I can tell that your buddy Zimmerman did not give a damn about Martin. Hoyt Jul 2013 #368

LEO "rights???" HUH Duckwraps Jul 2013 #81

LEOs are given authority to act in ways the public are not... Spazito Jul 2013 #98

LEO's have powers. Citizens have rights. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #181

Actually, they have a 'legal authority' the public does not... Spazito Jul 2013 #185

LEO's don't have any different "rights" than the average citizen does, premium Jul 2013 #90

LEOs do have the authority to act in ways the public cannot... Spazito Jul 2013 #122

Legal authority would be the correct term, premium Jul 2013 #126

So many here don't understand the difference between rights .... oldhippie Jul 2013 #208

He claims that, by his training and experience, he can look at the different testimonies... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #62

Zimmerman had "no prowess" as a fighter Generic Other Jul 2013 #67

Wow, a defense witness made-to-order Lisa D Jul 2013 #72

Yeah total bs Just Saying Jul 2013 #74

And neither were any of us, premium Jul 2013 #112

We're not testifying on court. N/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #115

So? premium Jul 2013 #139

but this is so hard for people to see. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #141

Oh come on Just Saying Jul 2013 #149

but people on a message board and talking about how expert witnesses are flat out wrong. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #153

Experts are never wrong? Just Saying Jul 2013 #160

don't have a problem at all. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #165

Experts are often wrong, premium Jul 2013 #166

So we agree on one thing. n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #176

We probably agree on a lot of things, premium Jul 2013 #187

Here we go again with this crap that I'm defending Zimmerman. premium Jul 2013 #161

We're all posting theories based on what we see. Just Saying Jul 2013 #171

I've said several times that I'm a retired FLEO, premium Jul 2013 #182

I think it's your attitude that leads to my perceptions. Just Saying Jul 2013 #205

I can only speak for myself Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #298

Long winded to the point of boring katmondoo Jul 2013 #68

Is this guy saying that TM could have handled Z? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #69

Can you PLEASE find another thread to clutter up? WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #380

No I cannot. thank you for trying though. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #381

Wait, the guy who trained MMA for a year has LESS prowess than the person who didn't? uponit7771 Jul 2013 #70

Zimmerman should demand a refund.. that would be 4-6 hours a week for chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #78

OH NO! he said something you done believe so it must be wrong! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #80

So if I took boxing lessons 2-3 a week for a year, I can't chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #84

I don't know if you remembered what you learned, I don't know what you can use what you learned. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #87

It certainly doesn't but a jury will be asking themselves that someone chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #94

Anything is possible. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #101

That goes without saying, so the issue is PROBABILITY not possibility because possibility is a given uponit7771 Jul 2013 #108

exactly. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #110

So it is MORE probbable hat the person with a years worth of boxing training has the advantage over uponit7771 Jul 2013 #125

I think you mean MMA, not boxing... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #127

Facts are facts regardless of whether you believe them or not. FACT NOT IN DISPUTE - ZIMMERMAN uponit7771 Jul 2013 #130

but not boxing. so because Z had MMA training, he should be able to beat anyone up without a gun? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #136

I could care less, he had almost a years worth of MMA TM did NOT uponit7771 Jul 2013 #144

I could care less that Z had the training. Does this mean that TM was doomed because of HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #150

Most LIKELY he would be...the person with almost a years worth of training has MORE advantange than uponit7771 Jul 2013 #157

For every occasion? I don't buy it. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #164

Z had nearly a year of regular MMA training, was 40 pounds bigger, 10 years older and had a gun... magical thyme Jul 2013 #154

I thought I heard the expert say that age doesn't matter. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #158

40 pounds bigger can be 40 pounds more muscle magical thyme Jul 2013 #188

If you say so. to you Z was the Hulk and TM is an ant. n/t HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #190

Not to that extreme, but yes. Z had ~40 pounds more muscle mass, more life experience, and a gun. nt magical thyme Jul 2013 #201

So every time Z win because he had 40lbs on his and had some MMA experience, right? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #203

IIRC, he "won" his domestic violence assaults, when he picked on somebody smaller, but "lost" his magical thyme Jul 2013 #213

so change the topic. I see. n/t HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #216

I didn't change the topic. You wrote "Z always win," I wrote when he did or didn't win. also, n/t magical thyme Jul 2013 #242

so lets convict him of murder already, because of his past!!! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #245

BOOM!!! Really good point uponit7771 Jul 2013 #241

MMA has boxing in it Finnmccool Jul 2013 #330

right but MMA is not boxing, right? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #332

Not just boxing it has wrestling Finnmccool Jul 2013 #344

right, but MMA is not boxing. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #345

It's not the standard in this case. If it were there would never be any trials. chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #117

All things being equal so take all variants out. NO CREDIBLE person can say the guy with 1 year of uponit7771 Jul 2013 #95

I would imagine that TM wrestled around with his friends and maybe even been in a scrum. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #104

Please link and quote the evidence that TM "wrestled" with his friends?! tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #128

haha omg. I said "I WOULD IMAGINE" not that I read somewhere that he did. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #134

That's what Z Defenders want people to believe, it's assinine at best and racial in context uponit7771 Jul 2013 #89

who said "a black guy is the better athlete vs boxer"?? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #97

Strawman noted, I never said anyone did. Anything else? tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #102

so who are you calling a boxer then? I wasn't aware either TM or Z was a boxer? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #106

The person who had nearly a year of boxing traing uponit7771 Jul 2013 #120

do you mean Mixed Martial Arts or boxing? Two completely different things...... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #124

MMA includes boxing...nice try...come on dude, this is getting silly uponit7771 Jul 2013 #133

well then why do you only focus on the boxing aspect? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #138

because the other guy had NO TRAINING IN BOXING!! My Goodnes, this isn't hard uponit7771 Jul 2013 #145

and that means EVERYTHING! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #148

When it comes to common sense logic it means a lot. Common sense - the guy who trained MMA uponit7771 Jul 2013 #155

I think you are assuming things... Just because you had MMA classes doesnt make you better than HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #162

MMA is a full contact combat sport. It's not "completely different" from boxing. Nine Jul 2013 #296

Of course you can. Just Saying Jul 2013 #92

...REALLY good point and Z wasn't fat like he is now uponit7771 Jul 2013 #99

Some people are Chuck Norris, some are PeeWee Herman Generic Other Jul 2013 #105

what's wrong with Pee Wee Herman????? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #113

He slandered Pee Wee Generic Other Jul 2013 #167

++++ JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #279

Prosecutor objected to question about Leo discharging firearm Just Saying Jul 2013 #82

Is Root serious! avebury Jul 2013 #83

Accidents. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #100

I don't think that there is really such think avebury Jul 2013 #111

So you've missed all the news reports of YOUNG CHILDREN shooting someone or themselves? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #119

Those incidents are not accidents but due to the gross avebury Jul 2013 #123

Please refer to your first post: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #132

One might make the point that a gun owner who is avebury Jul 2013 #147

but nobody has claimed an accidental shooting here Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #303

not if they felt their life was in danger. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #107

NBC not working for me; watching the FL link. Am I supposed to like this witness? I don't. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #96

I had the same problem.. FL link works just fine. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #109

In your opinion. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #118

Yes, expressing my opinion. This man seems to ME to be advocating a fully-armed citizenry. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #193

I have to disagree. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #194

And I thought the gym owner was arrogant... Saturday Jul 2013 #116

I think this testimony about the holster Just Saying Jul 2013 #129

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #135

Prosecution just blew this guy out of the water Marrah_G Jul 2013 #143

lost feed, what happened? tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #146

Basically that the guy is testifying to market his consulting company Marrah_G Jul 2013 #151

First trial his company has testified at Generic Other Jul 2013 #169

"did you ask Zimmerman if he was afraid when he got out of the car" chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #152

the prosecution said the same thing about the ME yesterday. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #156

They are starting to sound like hacks because they didn't look at all the evidence and the ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #159

Didn't they explain why certain evidence wasn't needed. I seem to remember that. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #163

so should experts who testify not be paid at all and do it out of the goodness of their heart? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #174

HLN muted a bunch of the opening questions on the cross of Root pokerfan Jul 2013 #244

That would be references to fucking punks and assholes Marrah_G Jul 2013 #263

That's pretty much what I assumed pokerfan Jul 2013 #288

On cross, Root is coming across like avebury Jul 2013 #168

Hmm, I haven't noticed that.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #170

PA is swinging him around by the shorthairs. Ninga Jul 2013 #173

LIKE WHOA!!! POINT OUT THE GUN WAS ON HIS BUTT CHEEK NOT HIS FRONT HIP!!!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #177

Root is starting to sink fast! avebury Jul 2013 #178

He's a PA witness right now!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #180

"PA"? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #197

preosecuting attorney uponit7771 Jul 2013 #219

Costner is destroying Z's whole shooting account, the defense is on its feet uponit7771 Jul 2013 #183

Jury reaction avebury Jul 2013 #198

appreciate you posting these twitters, please keep it up Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #309

He dances with wolves! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #199

Is this a prosecution witness? bravenak Jul 2013 #184

defense just fired the person who took the call when Root phoned them and offered his services chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #204

LOL! Spazito Jul 2013 #209

This guy is spending the day advertising his services. bravenak Jul 2013 #210

LOL. I couldn't get the lighting correct because I didn't take into consideration chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #186

lofl!! Good catch uponit7771 Jul 2013 #189

Wow! The questions with the dummy were perfect! Just Saying Jul 2013 #191

Yep, the cross of this 'expert' is excellent... Spazito Jul 2013 #195

If TM had happened to reach toward where the gun was, Z(in the heat of the moment) thought that HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #215

Are you watching the trial? Just Saying Jul 2013 #223

Yes I am watching it. And I heard him say that Z could have gotten to his gun in his holster. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #226

Yes but the prosecution is showing he's full of crap. Just Saying Jul 2013 #232

almost as impossible for the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt of second degree... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #236

Now you're changing the subject. N/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #237

;) HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #240

Zimmerman is a little more animated today no? tia uponit7771 Jul 2013 #192

"Anyone looking down the barrel of a gun would be screaming for help." JimDandy Jul 2013 #202

Costner is throwing doors, hopefully the PA saved him and the other guy for last uponit7771 Jul 2013 #206

Costner made a great point - Zimmerman avebury Jul 2013 #212

Good to hear this point. FarPoint Jul 2013 #272

You hear so many stories in the news these days of avebury Jul 2013 #306

Many missed questions Deny and Shred Jul 2013 #214

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #217

so you can call Z a liar, but show me how he is a liar. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #218

Sure Deny and Shred Jul 2013 #247

why not holster your weapon if the person is not moving anymore? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #251

Exactly Deny and Shred Jul 2013 #280

ehh.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #284

"Can I borrow your doll for a moment?" YarnAddict Jul 2013 #220

LOL! "Somehow he got to hsi weapon" as if it's not important uponit7771 Jul 2013 #221

+1 Just Saying Jul 2013 #228

"How the gun got into Z's hand is moot" HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #222

Yeah, that's laughable to me too....lol uponit7771 Jul 2013 #231

well ill take the experts claims over yours. n/t HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #234

Handgun positioning and physics now what?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #235

in relation to...? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #239

relating to being a smart ass,...no really...Root sounds like a hack and now his testimony suonds uponit7771 Jul 2013 #246

so Z was able to move TM's leg away to grab the gun from his side. easily done. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #250

..according to Z it wasn't on his side...see, that's why it's important to show HOW he got his gun uponit7771 Jul 2013 #254

then refresh my memory. where was it in Z's statement? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #256

Root should be able to tell you.... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #266

then I guess it doesnt matter because he believe how Z got the gun in his hand is moot. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #271

Point being root is a hack, if root was TRULY worried about the TRUTH he would've taken both sides.. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #282

Root is saying that by what he has seen and heard, that is what he believes. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #287

This expert is wrong about the gun. Just Saying Jul 2013 #292

ill believe that when it is proven in court. until then I will take it as your opinion. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #299

How about your opinion Just Saying Jul 2013 #304

in my opinion Z got the gun after TM was beating him and shot him because he was being hit. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #310

Your opinion is based on what Zimmerman told police. Just Saying Jul 2013 #319

so TM was sittin on Z to where Z was not able to move his arms? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #324

the gun was not holstered on GZ's side frylock Jul 2013 #358

so where was the gun then the whole time this was going on? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #360

in my opinion? the gun was in GZ's hands.. frylock Jul 2013 #363

so when you tell me that the gun wsa not holstered, that is what you believe but you have HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #364

that is correct.. frylock Jul 2013 #367

yet you take this "expert's" and GZ's word as gospel.. frylock Jul 2013 #356

I take the experts words, not someone on a message board.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #362

this guy is a self-proclaimed "expert" at his first trial.. frylock Jul 2013 #373

ok master shake HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #382

I am amused by his avatar combined with his posts. uppityperson Jul 2013 #372

his jedi mind tricks aren't working.. frylock Jul 2013 #378

haha good one!!! I cant stop laughing! thanks for that!! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #384

good for you. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #383

He OVERTLY didn't hear and see all the information from both sides = hack uponit7771 Jul 2013 #294

did you hear him explain why? or are you ignoring that? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #300

Yes, because he's a hack... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #313

so you are picking and choosing who you are willing to believe and who not to believe. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #316

what the fuck do you think you're doing? frylock Jul 2013 #359

those are some harsh words.. I don't even know what you are talking about. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #361

you don't seem to know fuckall frylock Jul 2013 #365

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #366

with pleasure! frylock Jul 2013 #370

Well I hope when people get fucked that it's pleasurable! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #376

His post was hidden. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #386

i didn't alert. i like those posts to stand on their own merit.. frylock Jul 2013 #387

I don't have time to watch but try to read these threads. grantcart Jul 2013 #224

quick answer Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #317

good case for manslaughter? grantcart Jul 2013 #322

my opinion, absolutely Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #328

does self defense have to be proven or..... justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #336

I don't think the defense has a convincing case Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #341

Oh i didn't mean to say that it was convincing justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #350

OK I see what you mean. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #353

me too. The defense shennanigans are just too painful to watch. grantcart Jul 2013 #369

of all the public trials in the news, this is the only one that has captivated me in this way Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #374

you can watch the whole trial on YouTube TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #388

O'Mara is asking 'is it possible' on so many things it is becoming laughable... Spazito Jul 2013 #225

On re-cross - This would be the time to ask that, avebury Jul 2013 #227

The 10th grade kid has MORE fighting abilities than the 200lb, fit, MMA trained grown man! REALLY?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #230

not in every case, but in some cases... HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #243

...it's kind of weak to continue to proffer POSSIBILITIES when those go without saying no? I mean it uponit7771 Jul 2013 #252

doesn't the evidence of Z's face show that TM was on top of him and hitting him? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #255

No, especially since GZ had a bloody head and TM had no blood on his hands. NONE of Z's DNA.... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #265

because blood gushes everywhere as soon as someone is hit so TM should be covered, right? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #268

No, after 25 - 50 hits on his face and head...unless you want to proffer that after all that hitting uponit7771 Jul 2013 #275

That is quite possible ... ThePhilosopher04 Jul 2013 #290

REALLY GOOD Point!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #291

then I expect the prosecution to show that. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #293

Z probably got his head injuries libodem Jul 2013 #301

haha oh wow. thank you for that!!!! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #307

Welcome libodem Jul 2013 #323

uuuuuuhh .......... no. polly7 Jul 2013 #278

how did Z get those boo-boos then? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #283

AGAIN...his own gun, it had GZ's DNA on it....NOT tms hands... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #285

oh yeah, TM did nothing to Z and Z did everything to himself. that's right.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #289

No, TM scared Z by being a young black man...that scares a lot of Z types and they react negatively uponit7771 Jul 2013 #295

if only you could prove that in court. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #302

I'm being facetious, it doesn't look like Z had any racial animus towards blacks just sounds like he uponit7771 Jul 2013 #312

so he must be a racist, right. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #314

Which mzmolly Jul 2013 #259

cases you don't know about that I have witnessed personally. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #262

How many MMA trained fighters mzmolly Jul 2013 #315

so Z is now a trained MMA fighter? even though his trainer said he wasn't that great? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #318

A badly trained MMA fighter beats a person with no training at all....TM wasn't a welter weight ... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #321

how do you know TM hasnt been in a fight to give him some street training? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #326

..the same way I know Trayvon is Superman! Again, you're proffering possibilities its ...come on uponit7771 Jul 2013 #329

the same way you know Z is guilty and that TM was a saint. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #333

How do you know Zimmerman didn't have an assault charge mzmolly Jul 2013 #346

Why did Zimmerman forget he had mzmolly Jul 2013 #339

he wasn't trained well enough. Like other here have said, should have gotten his money back. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #340

Laughable. mzmolly Jul 2013 #342

good to know you have a sense of humor? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #343

Good to know you're mzmolly Jul 2013 #348

;) HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #349

One would hope after a year of training... mzmolly Jul 2013 #334

you think that the shitty trainer could get anyone to be a trained MMA fighter in a year? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #335

I think after a year of training you learn mzmolly Jul 2013 #351

I would think you are right if someone had a competent trainer. I wouldnt say that Z had a competent HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #355

Did he need training to hit a cop and a former fiance - mzmolly Jul 2013 #371

+1, that are 150ish lbs and in the 10th grade !!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #320

apparently you need to get out more.. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #331

Knock Knock just never seems to learn does he? nt avebury Jul 2013 #347

whoa!!! Kali Jul 2013 #352

How can anyone be "incapable of self defense" Finnmccool Jul 2013 #357

When it comes to the real world, Zimmerman is hardly avebury Jul 2013 #375

Guy devestating out of the gate on recross. stranger81 Jul 2013 #377

Oh boy, its gonna get messy... n/t tom_kelly Jul 2013 #379

The defense rests. Lisa D Jul 2013 #385