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In reply to the discussion: Snowden: I never gave any information to Chinese or Russian governments [View all]think
(11,641 posts)19. Yep. Then their name is sent to the DOJ to be brought up on charges.
Then the FBI comes and arrests you and ransack your house.
Ask Thomas Drake how that working with in the system thing went for him.
Wikipedia: Thomas Drake 2007 FBI raids
In July 2007, armed FBI agents raided the homes of Roark, Binney, and Wiebe, the same people who had filed the complaint with the DoD Inspector General in 2002.[27] Binney claims they pointed guns at his wife and himself. Wiebe said it reminded him of the Soviet Union.[21] None of these people were charged with any crimes. In November 2007, there was a raid on Drake's residence. His computers, documents, and books were confiscated. He was never charged with giving any sensitive information to anyone; the charge actually brought against him is for 'retaining' information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)).[20] The FBI tried to get Roark to testify against Drake; she refused.[21] Reporter Gorman was not contacted by the FBI.[15][22]
Drake initially cooperated with the investigation, telling the FBI about the alleged illegality of the NSA's activities.[21] The government created a 'draft indictment' of Drake, prepared by prosecutor Steven Tyrrell. It listed charges as "disclosing classified information to a newspaper reporter and for conspiracy". Diane Roark, Binney, Wiebe, and Loomis (the complainants to the DoD IG in 2002) were also allegedly listed as "unindicted co-conspirators".[27] In 2009 a new prosecutor came on the case, William Welch II,[15][21] and changed the indictment. Some charges were removed, as was any naming of 'co-conspirators'. The new case only contained charges against Drake.[27]
Prosecutors wanted Drake to plead guilty, but he refused. He believed that he was innocent of the charges against him.[15] The government wanted him to help prosecute the other whistleblowers. He refused this as well.[21] He later explained his motivations to the Ridenhour Prizes organization:...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake#2007_FBI_raids
In July 2007, armed FBI agents raided the homes of Roark, Binney, and Wiebe, the same people who had filed the complaint with the DoD Inspector General in 2002.[27] Binney claims they pointed guns at his wife and himself. Wiebe said it reminded him of the Soviet Union.[21] None of these people were charged with any crimes. In November 2007, there was a raid on Drake's residence. His computers, documents, and books were confiscated. He was never charged with giving any sensitive information to anyone; the charge actually brought against him is for 'retaining' information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)).[20] The FBI tried to get Roark to testify against Drake; she refused.[21] Reporter Gorman was not contacted by the FBI.[15][22]
Drake initially cooperated with the investigation, telling the FBI about the alleged illegality of the NSA's activities.[21] The government created a 'draft indictment' of Drake, prepared by prosecutor Steven Tyrrell. It listed charges as "disclosing classified information to a newspaper reporter and for conspiracy". Diane Roark, Binney, Wiebe, and Loomis (the complainants to the DoD IG in 2002) were also allegedly listed as "unindicted co-conspirators".[27] In 2009 a new prosecutor came on the case, William Welch II,[15][21] and changed the indictment. Some charges were removed, as was any naming of 'co-conspirators'. The new case only contained charges against Drake.[27]
Prosecutors wanted Drake to plead guilty, but he refused. He believed that he was innocent of the charges against him.[15] The government wanted him to help prosecute the other whistleblowers. He refused this as well.[21] He later explained his motivations to the Ridenhour Prizes organization:...
Full Entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake#2007_FBI_raids
Then ask Binney, Tice, Weibe, Edmonds etc etc etc how that working within the current law structure created under Bush and epitomized by the Patriot Act....
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Snowden: I never gave any information to Chinese or Russian governments [View all]
ProSense
Jul 2013
OP
Well, the Chinese newspaper said they were shown details, including IP addresses.
randome
Jul 2013
#1
Ellsberg broke the law to tell the truth too. But whistleblowers should be punished.
think
Jul 2013
#5
clarification- whistleblowers bring info to Congress first. Leakers do not. From what I've read
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#11
It would make your posts easier to decipher if you would use the 'excerpt' when quoiting people.
RC
Jul 2013
#37
I suppose Snowden never slept, either. Or slept like a baby, assured by Chinese officials
blm
Jul 2013
#32
The why did he go to China and Russia? He could have gone straight to Venezuela.
MjolnirTime
Jul 2013
#35
I don't think Snowden really cares about what does or doesn't help his case. The
Cleita
Jul 2013
#45