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83. So does Zimmerman's violent history

Reply to Vattel (Reply #72)

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:18 AM

Jul 2013

Zimmerman's history of multiple assaults says a lot about the probability that he assaulted Martin without provocation.

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TRAYVON MARTIN IS NOT ON TRIAL [View all] Hugabear Jul 2013 OP

Why is this sort of thing being allowed in the trial? (nt) enough Jul 2013 #1

It shouldn't be. It's irrelevant as hell. Like bringing up the past sexual history of Lex Jul 2013 #4

Right now it's admissibility is being discussed Nevernose Jul 2013 #8

That's much more relevant! tblue Jul 2013 #70

Victim shaming... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #65

If it is, then the prosecution should have introduced information on Zimmerman's past sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #69

You are correct shenmue Jul 2013 #2

K&R! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #3

It's only being allowed because of a self-defense case LittleBlue Jul 2013 #5

Zimmerman didn't know anything about Trayvon Hugabear Jul 2013 #10

Exactly. nt Lex Jul 2013 #13

That isn't relevant. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #15

The defense depends on Zimmerman being afraid of what Trayvon was doing. yardwork Jul 2013 #64

It affects the probability that Martin assaulted Zimmerman. Vattel Jul 2013 #72

So thinking about buying a gun (maybe) Just Saying Jul 2013 #76

So does Zimmerman's violent history yardwork Jul 2013 #83

I agree Vattel Jul 2013 #85

No matter what Zimmerman vankuria Jul 2013 #82

Trayvon didn't have a gun that night. Lex Jul 2013 #12

It is according to the law. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #16

No it's not. nt Lex Jul 2013 #17

Then all the more reason to assume Zimmerman had his gun out when he confronted Martin. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2013 #21

cite, please frylock Jul 2013 #33

Citation LittleBlue Jul 2013 #36

So, Zimmerman was PSYCHIC, and knew that Martin had tried to buy a gun just by looking at him? TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #41

I don't know where the defense is going with this tbh LittleBlue Jul 2013 #44

is TM not afforded the right to defend himself against "Death or great bodily harm?" frylock Jul 2013 #42

He is too. Whoever wins is solid. Whoever can afford a gun to kill is the winner NoOneMan Jul 2013 #56

what a country frylock Jul 2013 #59

I hope it doesn't come down to delrem Jul 2013 #75

Yeah, but he had a picture of a gun! reusrename Jul 2013 #50

But he didn't know anything about Martin except that he was young and black Marrah_G Jul 2013 #57

It's being allowed because the Judge is bad. delrem Jul 2013 #77

That has nothing to do with the trial! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #6

Well said malaise Jul 2013 #7

It's a window into how Zimmerman saw Trayvon, and how the law enforcement community saw him. yardwork Jul 2013 #66

It sure feels like Trayvon is on trial. FarPoint Jul 2013 #9

ZM attacked a Policeman ,molested a woman, and beat up an ex GF? Why aren't they discussing that? HipChick Jul 2013 #11

To me, Zimmerman's history is highly relevant because it indicates a pattern of violent behavior. yardwork Jul 2013 #67

Can the prosecution now bring in Z's past as a defense rebuttal? The defence opened the door to Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #86

I agree, Trayvon did NOT have a gun when he was shot, Zimmerman did... Spazito Jul 2013 #14

Wouldn't it be weird if the judge prohibited discussion about Trayvon Martin? Blue Bike Jul 2013 #18

Since Trayvon has already been discussed, then yeah, Lex Jul 2013 #31

Sure, but this stuff has nothing to do with either his actions or his state of mind. reusrename Jul 2013 #52

He was a 17 year old KID. Avalux Jul 2013 #19

... CatWoman Jul 2013 #20

This!!! ^^^ Just Saying Jul 2013 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #30

YES!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #35

To a certain extent, I agree with you. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #22

Still, introducing any evidence that Trayvon may have Lex Jul 2013 #26

I was referring to the last line more than anything. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #27

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #80

Complete bullshit. Lex Jul 2013 #81

ok Hear this.. DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #32

Well said. n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #51

Ok. But if the shooter was black, tblue Jul 2013 #71

Damn Skippy, Brother! nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #24

of course Trayvon is on trial Skittles Jul 2013 #25

Defense is trying to prove that Iliyah Jul 2013 #28

Yes, the fact that the defense even came up with such a smarmy question of whether lumpy Jul 2013 #40

Of Course He Is. dballance Jul 2013 #29

By bringing in details of Martin's character/background is the defense trying to prove that lumpy Jul 2013 #47

Agreed dballance Jul 2013 #79

Yeah, CNN was saying what a nice person one of the defense lawyers was... tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #34

CNN = Faux News-lite. Turn it off. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #37

Thx. I don't usually watch it, but it was on at the gym...and I agree with you. tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #73

No kidding. I wonder if he'd SUCCEEDED in buying a gun, and ended up shooting Zimmerman TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #38

+++ Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #78

american/floridian heaven05 Jul 2013 #39

Frankly, I'm far less worried about Zimmerman getting a reduced sentence, plead down to Manslaughter TrollBuster9090 Jul 2013 #45

If he was going to 'plead down' to manslaughter, it would've already happened, long ago ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #74

Guns are only bad when black males are interested in them, apparently. Nine Jul 2013 #43

Trayvon was more of a man than Zimmerman ever will be riverwalker Jul 2013 #46

Most of us believe that if Martin's private life is exposed in this court then it should be allowed lumpy Jul 2013 #49

First off, he didn't have a gun the night he was murdered obama2terms Jul 2013 #48

Sounds like the defense is getting desparate. This new tactic is purely the defense trying to lumpy Jul 2013 #54

They want to jury to think that even if he didn't cause his death, he was "purgeable" NoOneMan Jul 2013 #55

I hope you're right! obama2terms Jul 2013 #88

Unfortunately he was not armed NoOneMan Jul 2013 #53

BS. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #58

In this specific case, thats true simply due to age NoOneMan Jul 2013 #60

He had a picture of a gun on his phone. reusrename Jul 2013 #61

I want to know if that mystery hand had trace THC in their bloodstream NoOneMan Jul 2013 #62

Zimmerman's troubled past c588415 Jul 2013 #63

Welcome to DU! yardwork Jul 2013 #68

victims are ALWAYS on trial markiv Jul 2013 #84

The judge, by allowing a tiny bit of marijuana in Trayvon's system to be entered as evidence, indepat Jul 2013 #87