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BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
72. Let me first say
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jul 2013

As a Californian, I am totally ashamed of the despicable DiFi and I apologize for her profusely. She should be tarred and feathered and run out on a rail. Can't stand her since she was the atrocious mayor of San Francisco who sold off that amazing skyline to the highest bidder. She makes me physically ill.

But your list of restrictions does not go nearly far enough I fear. It is my understanding that felons aren't allowed to own or purchase guns currently. I favor things such as mandatory safes and insurance for a home defense pistol and lockup for larger guns, or rather the arsenals that some people own. I believe in the most restrictive safety measures possible, because like I said, guns have the power to kill or injure a person. They're not crafts or fishing or kayaking: those are hobbies.

I live in the second largest city in this country with very high crime; I taught continuation high school in the murder capital of the US (at one time) for all its gang activity--there were bullet holes in the windows. I have lived in NYC on the edge of Alphabet City before it was gentrified: a landlord told me as I was checking out an apartment there that it was a "bat flat." When I asked what that meant, he said, keep a bat by the door and carry it whenever you go out and you'll be ok (I didn't get that one). I have never felt that a gun would make me safer than taking common sense precautions. I live in these places and don't live in constant fear of being mugged or robbed, so I find it hard to believe that people feel the same anywhere else beyond serious paranoia.

When I moved to Vancouver, I was in the same position, maybe it's because I like warehouse lofts I always pick neighborhoods that are on the fringes of yuppies with lattes and scary shit. The corner down the street was the drug dealer central and I saw more than a few knife fights with what looked like deer knives. Right in the middle of the intersection! But when people asked if I was afraid to live there, I smiled and said nope, because in Canada they've got knives not guns and I can at least outrun the bastard.

I've told this story on DU before, but in Canada, we were working on an indie film and somebody brought a prop gun. It looked so real, all the Canadian guys had to play with it because they'd never seen a handgun before. They were messing around and doing some Dirty Harry moves with it. Apparently, someone saw them through the window and called the cops. The cops were there in less than five minutes and had the whole block shut down. Because there was a gun. Let me tell you, I felt pretty damn safe.

So I guess this long-winded post is that a non-gun person such as me sees the proliferation of guns to fight the bad guys as a red sea of guns inundating this country. All band aids, such as CCW and stand your ground, for people afraid that somebody else might have a gun just means there are more guns all over. Guns for children to play with. Guns for someone to break in and steal to use on someone else. Guns for some idiot to accidentally drop and kill an innocent bystander. Too many damn guns. Addressing that is the only thing that makes any sense.

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"Come and get me coppers!!!" JoePhilly Jul 2013 #1
Before he was Gun Rights Activist - ANTI-WAR VET of IRAQ!! 7wo7rees Jul 2013 #68
Zimmmerman... Kokesh... Simcox... Nugent... Gun rightists have fucked up posterboys. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #2
Man, do they ever. cali Jul 2013 #3
Because anyone in RKBA has cheered those guys. The hyperbole is sick. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #13
When Zimmerman walks, he'll get to carry a gun again. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #14
And -if- he's found guilty, then he won't. Ain't that grand? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #16
The problem is that he's going to walk, despite behaving incredibly recklessly geek tragedy Jul 2013 #17
If he walks, it will be more 'ammo' for gun control restrictions. onehandle Jul 2013 #21
Whether or not he'll walk is not in question: What is, is what constitutes lawful defense? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #22
the problem is that the states with the most permissive gun laws geek tragedy Jul 2013 #26
And that's when you get into a gray area. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #30
I would say that it's less gray than that. Orrex Jul 2013 #46
Okay, let's have a little fun. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #52
If Hitler tries to steal your purse, you have my permission to shoot him Orrex Jul 2013 #58
And there's the rub: Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #64
Fair enough. Look at us being civil! Orrex Jul 2013 #67
I know, right? DU's coming to an end! :P Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #69
This is my favorite gun debate on this site so far BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #71
If he walks, and sadly, it's looking more and more likely, premium Jul 2013 #42
No, the problem is overpermissive self-defense statutes. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #48
I disagree, premium Jul 2013 #51
The jury has the option of convicting on manslaughter. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #54
They certainly can, premium Jul 2013 #56
'This guy getting nabbed is a good thing for us.' onehandle Jul 2013 #20
Outside of DU, who's heard of this guy? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #23
If no one has heard of him, how is it "a good thing for us?" Orrex Jul 2013 #31
Because people with the potential for lunacy are a threat to anyone associated. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #37
Thoughtful answers. Thank you. (nt) Orrex Jul 2013 #53
My pleasure, and an honor. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #55
Well, I still think you're a lunatic, but you've convinced me about the rest Orrex Jul 2013 #59
Hey, call it like it is: I'm a loon, but I'm a well-meaning loon. :) Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #61
He's a small chip away, I'll give you that. onehandle Jul 2013 #34
Sandy Hook: Forgotten. Zimmerman: Self-Defense. Giffords: Never heard of. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #40
You're still focusing on the present. onehandle Jul 2013 #43
Why? History, and current trends, are in our favor. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #60
Based on that, you must believe that the Republicans will hold the House forever. onehandle Jul 2013 #62
No, but I do believe that America just doesn't jive with the Control angle. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #63
Who is he?? He was once the "The Darling of DU", an Iraq War Vet speaking out against the war... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2013 #75
In my opinion, you shouldn't post that at me, mate. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #76
Aren't you the one who asked "Outside of DU, who's heard of this guy?" ?? The answer is: MILLIONS Ghost in the Machine Jul 2013 #82
Copy, consider it a possibility. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #83
And yet, one of the bluest states in the nation, IL., premium Jul 2013 #44
You guys can't tell time. onehandle Jul 2013 #47
Time will tell, premium Jul 2013 #49
He sure talked a good game before the cops showed-up, didn't he? Ian David Jul 2013 #4
"you can have my gun when you ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #9
Schedule I and Schedule II drugs? Oops!!! hatrack Jul 2013 #5
This guys even dumber than I thought. bunnies Jul 2013 #29
Yep. Even as someone that is against the criminalization of drugs AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #33
Mushrooms of all things. bunnies Jul 2013 #38
Supposedly, this was "expected". riqster Jul 2013 #41
No kidding. bunnies Jul 2013 #45
Perscription or erhmmmm -- recreational? Either way, this fucknut Kokesh couldn't carry Hunter S. Erose999 Jul 2013 #32
All "responsible" gun owners should applaud this BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #6
Kokesh and LaPierre are the two biggest threats to the right to keep arms out there Recursion Jul 2013 #7
No problem here, he shouldn't have had a gun to begin with. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #12
Thank you both BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #15
-Most- of us are wholely for safety and for lawful restrictions. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #18
There is anger on both sides BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #35
Granted, with a few exceptions. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #50
Let me first say BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #72
I could get into a point by point debate with you, Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #79
I thank you for the best interchange I've ever had with someone pro-gun BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #84
The same to you, mate. You're a Control Freak I could drink with happily. ;) Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #85
Ha! Control Freak, I'm going to use that one BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #86
Be what ya are, brother, and be proud! I'm a gun nut, you're a control freak. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #87
You would think these guys would want crystal meth legal Dash87 Jul 2013 #8
Crystal meth IS legal. Your doctor can prescribe it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #70
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. HappyMe Jul 2013 #10
If he thinks possession of a gun is an emblem of 'humanity', Aristus Jul 2013 #11
Busted. Now shut the fuck up. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #19
Sounds like somebody has a sad....... rdharma Jul 2013 #27
I could give you a harsh time but I won't. rrneck Jul 2013 #66
Yes, you should have been more clear ....... rdharma Jul 2013 #74
Fairfax County - they have to invent crime there..lot of black helicopter activity too HipChick Jul 2013 #24
That is the best news I've heard today. The helicopter was a nice touch. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #25
Government-1, Molon Labe "team" - 0. bluedigger Jul 2013 #28
More like "Morans" flapping their "labia" . Don't these fuckers know the Spartans lost Thermopalye? Erose999 Jul 2013 #36
But they all looked really hawt in that movie BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #73
He let them take him into custody? He didn't fight back against their tyranny? arcane1 Jul 2013 #39
And the race to be the loudest to disavow him is on! Robb Jul 2013 #57
We know this young man. 7wo7rees Jul 2013 #65
"Gundamentalists" rdharma Jul 2013 #78
Why did you write "snicker." Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #77
So he can join these MAIG members? krispos42 Jul 2013 #80
They're-ALMOST- all Felons. Half of them have gun charges. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #81
this doofus gets arrested every couple of weeks nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #88
is this different from the last arrest which resulted in canceling that gun rights march ? JI7 Jul 2013 #89
Kokesh's actions may be disruptive and counter-productive, and add little to no petronius Jul 2013 #90
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