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Bonhomme Richard

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25. I have the exact same feeling I had in the Clinton .....

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 02:06 PM

Jul 2013

second term. I felt sold out.
To be frank, I believed back then that Corporations were running the show and got so disgusted I voted for Nader. It wasn't much of a risk about the election because I am in CT which would go big for Gore. To be honest I thought that it didn't matter. After the court anointed bush and I saw what he was doing I realized how wrong I was and thought I wouldn't stray from the Democratic Party again. that is when I arrived at DU.
I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place. I don't have the gene required to pull a lever with repug on it and I loathe everything they stand for and here I am.. a disgruntled Democrat again.

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I wish I had some sense of what President Obama believes and why he supports [View all] cali Jul 2013 OP

I feel the same confusion as you, Cali. Myrina Jul 2013 #1

*sigh* Roy Rolling Jul 2013 #79

Beautifully Stated. bvar22 Jul 2013 #139

I think he can not do this: fasttense Jul 2013 #120

He's a fairly mainstream Democrat who's more pragmatic than ideological. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #2

Except that Democratic legislators are leading the fight against the drug war RainDog Jul 2013 #20

To be blunt, a black dude with a very public use geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38

I agree. but... RainDog Jul 2013 #78

That IS true...but Bonobo Jul 2013 #154

Far from mainstream - he is a far right ideologue perpetrating the values of the hoarding class, grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #52

The cartoon character you describe would geek tragedy Jul 2013 #59

I hear hs also kicks puppies competitively for distance and accuracy ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #109

That gave me the best laugh I've had Skidmore Jul 2013 #118

LOL. Nah, just wants to starve our grannies is all. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #147

I was going to say also..."mainstream"? Not by any measure. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #152

Remember the right wing mocking the left wing in 2008? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #107

If you read what his positions were in the 2008 campaign, virtually none of this geek tragedy Jul 2013 #110

That particular difference, small is it was, is one of my favorites. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #116

Of course, Hillary was right on the merits. Obama's position was more or less, we'll reduce costs geek tragedy Jul 2013 #123

Yup ... it does seem like some folks really weren't paying attention. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #124

From 2007: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #126

If I recall, that quote came ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #129

Dodd, Biden and Clinton all tried to hit Obama with that language. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #131

Nor should anyone have been surprised when Obama JoePhilly Jul 2013 #132

"post a list of accomplishments, and its denounced." Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #141

Amen - and we need pragmatists treestar Jul 2013 #149

Well, the ACA is perhaps not the best example tularetom Jul 2013 #151

He did not give it away as you state treestar Jul 2013 #155

So you are telling me it's either still in the act or he fought mightily to keep it there tularetom Jul 2013 #162

It is not hard to connect the dots Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #3

Policy decisions have always been made behind closed doors and will be for the foreseeable future. n geek tragedy Jul 2013 #5

Which is exactly what he ran against. ie, he has no core. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #53

sometimes when you move up you lose touch with what is important to the citizens. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #4

Obama promise meter is still a pretty good guage uponit7771 Jul 2013 #6

Actually many of us can figure it out for ourselves. We don't need a "promise meter" to see it. Dawgs Jul 2013 #14

Thank god we have somebody to let us know what is forgivable and what isn't. renie408 Jul 2013 #29

I know what is unforgivable for me. Race to the Top. That is unforgivable. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #47

Seriously? This trumps all other things for you, including the increasingly conservative bias on the renie408 Jul 2013 #81

Yes we all do have to draw a line somewhere, and it was a personal experience that drove that liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #87

I was going to say renie408 Jul 2013 #98

ohhh there is plenty of marching in lockstep around here frylock Jul 2013 #125

"Unforgivable." melodrama much? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #127

how's that bit about ending the "revolving door" going? nashville_brook Jul 2013 #103

How did a constitutional law professor end up with his policies? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #7

Can you call an adjunct a professor? Wasn't he just a part timer? Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #67

Yes, just a part-timer. And he may have been a volunteer lecturer, an unpaid part-timer who was AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #71

That is certainly the most important aspect of my question truebluegreen Jul 2013 #100

You're ignorant to try to make this insult RainDog Jul 2013 #157

Do you believe that all professors agree with you on all subjects? treestar Jul 2013 #150

I think he's answered most of those questions in interviews. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8

I've seen and heard interviews with him, and I don't believe he did. cali Jul 2013 #9

Questions like why he is so enthusiastic about eliminating the availability of medical marijuana rhett o rick Jul 2013 #28

President Eisenhower warned us long ago about... polichick Jul 2013 #10

That is one of two possibilities in my mind. Maybe there are scary ass invisible forces at work. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #27

I've thought about the snake oil thing too, and to some extent... polichick Jul 2013 #36

If that was the case, I still believe that bottle of snake oil was less damaging than... Amonester Jul 2013 #90

No argument here. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #119

This /\ renie408 Jul 2013 #32

boy ain't that the truth. The guy in the White House definitely is not the decider anymore. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #41

I first noticed it when he laughed about legitimate questions from his base about pot legalization. Dawgs Jul 2013 #11

He just wants us to learn from the mistakes of his youth Fumesucker Jul 2013 #12

I think he wants to pass laws in the world that exists Recursion Jul 2013 #13

say what? that made no sense. cali Jul 2013 #17

We're not crushing global corporatism any time soon Recursion Jul 2013 #19

I think you're patently wrong. If that were so, we wouldn't see him appointing cali Jul 2013 #24

You will call whomever he appoints a corporatist Recursion Jul 2013 #161

Im so pissed off at the TPP thing that Im beside myself. bunnies Jul 2013 #15

Same here. And re: TPP, there is NO transparency. truedelphi Jul 2013 #72

Monsanto. bunnies Jul 2013 #84

It is strange, how Obama seems to have morphed into quinnox Jul 2013 #16

I actually believe that much of it is because he's a caring father. Dawgs Jul 2013 #18

maybe if he knew somone with glaucoma or AIDS or cancer who has benefited from liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #23

During the debates he compared himself to an old school Republican. pa28 Jul 2013 #50

he contradicted himself many times. Making many promises to many different groups. That liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #55

Is this close enough? GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #122

I didn't care for Go Vols Jul 2013 #138

Politics without priniciples is the foundation of the 3rd Way. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #21

just a matter of poor spelling ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2013 #30

Yep. And the Father Knows Best wing of the party just love daddy. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #35

What ProSense Jul 2013 #22

this stuff is just sad. do you ever post things in your own words without endless cali Jul 2013 #26

Well, I understand ProSense Jul 2013 #42

you just can't do it. you meaninglessly throw back my words cali Jul 2013 #48

its not a lack of writing skills galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #75

I do. Puglover Jul 2013 #160

Thread hijacking with a filibuster. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #31

you just hit the nail on the head. cali Jul 2013 #40

kinda reminds me of all that stuff OFA spews in their emails before they pitch you for money lol nt msongs Jul 2013 #70

Aaaiiieee! Its the attack of the links! quinnox Jul 2013 #37

Useless without a picture of the adorable White House dog NoOneMan Jul 2013 #39

stealing that one quinnox Jul 2013 #43

Hey now, that's one promise Obama actually kept leftstreet Jul 2013 #136

Ugh.. G_j Jul 2013 #54

I have the exact same feeling I had in the Clinton ..... Bonhomme Richard Jul 2013 #25

I'm not sure its relevant what he believes NoOneMan Jul 2013 #33

So in other words, in our current day, banana republic style of truedelphi Jul 2013 #74

The people get a turd-polisher that the majority of the people approve of NoOneMan Jul 2013 #80

Now, That is Transparent. Thanks for posting. Amonester Jul 2013 #96

No, I have zero on ignore. :) NoOneMan Jul 2013 #101

I agree with what you wrote here, and that Dream World was not the endah-dah-worl Amonester Jul 2013 #105

We knew everything we needed to 40 years ago to have that world NoOneMan Jul 2013 #111

I left the USA on May 18th 1979 for truedelphi Jul 2013 #135

There is no utopian world but there are socialist countries that get a hell of a lot more out liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #112

I think the link below could be an explanation for what's going on: snappyturtle Jul 2013 #34

And it could well be. zeemike Jul 2013 #68

I'm right there with you, Cali. I am an intelligent person and I cannot make head nor tails out Nay Jul 2013 #44

It goes deeper than Holder or Obama Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #45

Cali, your voiced concerns have us all wondering and the single simple answer to all would seem: indepat Jul 2013 #46

I would like an explanation when one of Obama's upaloopa Jul 2013 #49

Right On Cal, it's very confusing! Radicalman Jul 2013 #51

His beliefs are irrelevant, he is employed by the elite to represent their interests. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #56

Well said. Sad to see a man lose his core to unpricipled behavior, but such are small men. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #58

It's a job, and he is well compensated for doing it. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #60

In my view, as he said of Rmoney, Obama has no core. Or, he has a core, but it is antithetical to grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #57

His family background may hold the key. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #61

Are you suggesting that his grandfather was a 'British collaborator?' nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #86

I know I sound like a broken record but he does not work for US. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #62

I was thinking something similar when I was at the gym. I became disillusioned Cleita Jul 2013 #63

Obama has offered to relinquish some of the executive power Billy Pilgrim Jul 2013 #64

No one is calling him a tyrant. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #73

My point is, we'll see. Billy Pilgrim Jul 2013 #94

Obama claimed the power to execute U.S. citizens Maedhros Jul 2013 #89

I find him to be a complete enigma. Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #65

I think big money is such a huge part of our government now that he has to Flaxbee Jul 2013 #66

I felt it at Rick Warren. A thumb in the eye, a kidney punch. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #69

The Script for his administration was Written-On-the-Wall when he did this: bvar22 Jul 2013 #140

And it looks glum for 2016. THe Oligarch Cabal has us right where they want us. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #156

I'm not at all confused by this... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #76

I don't think that your conspiracy theory is logical. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #88

Progress on the wedge issues yes. But not on $$$ issues. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #114

I agree, GF senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #146

K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #77

Me too. He's clearly a different person than the man who ran for the office... ReRe Jul 2013 #82

The best way to judge him is by his actions Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #83

Here's a few things we know... raindaddy Jul 2013 #85

$$$$$ forestpath Jul 2013 #91

My feelings exactly, Cali. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #92

US reaction to 911 showed two things - what an incredible motivator fear is... NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #97

Agreed. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #99

You're not alone. But there's no sense in crying over spilled milk, hon. Zorra Jul 2013 #93

similarly confused, but sadly, not all that surprised - power, greed, money, politics. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #95

this may go down as the worst "revolving door" White House yet nashville_brook Jul 2013 #102

I knew the fanatics would be the first to jump ship. aquart Jul 2013 #104

except I'm not remotely a fanatic and nor or most others here who share the sentiments cali Jul 2013 #117

Of course. aquart Jul 2013 #121

He sure isn't what he claimed to be, either time. And I don't buy that he sold out, as an excuse. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #106

took the words right out of my mouth.... mike_c Jul 2013 #108

I wish I understood also. felix_numinous Jul 2013 #113

Washington has ALWAYS been WAY behind where the rest of the country wants to be.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #115

"Despite being called Madame Obamahater, I'd vote for him again" ProSense Jul 2013 #128

The NSA and the MIC felix_numinous Jul 2013 #130

I believe Cheney threatened to eat his children. Or possibly space aliens are controlling .... Scuba Jul 2013 #133

consider what he was thrown into ellennelle Jul 2013 #134

Look at a billionaire Sec. of Commerce and torturer as FBI head, then Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #137

I have tried to keep believing but it is very hard when so many of the things I was hoping for do jwirr Jul 2013 #142

you misread him from the beginning. DCBob Jul 2013 #143

I'm going by his own words as candidate and Senator cali Jul 2013 #148

Actually he's done quite well keeping his campaign promises.. DCBob Jul 2013 #158

all campaign promises do not have equal weight. cali Jul 2013 #159

Sure, but defining the weights is the issue. DCBob Jul 2013 #163

Those are all good questions . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #144

troubling questions about this president; even more troubling questions about any possible president carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #145

I have some insight... Bonobo Jul 2013 #153