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Lizzie Poppet

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17. In the vast majority of jurisdictions...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:00 PM
Jul 2013

In the vast majority of US jurisdictions and in most such situations, a person is permitted to use lethal force when they are physically attacked. There are some exceptions, such as when the "attacker" clearly represents no significant, substantive threat to the person attacked, but those situations are unusual.

The Zimmerman defense seems to be making this a key aspect of their argument, and apparently Florida law backs them up.

I have a huge problem with this, of course. Not with the basic idea that using deadly force in response to physical assault can be permitted, but with applying that principle to someone who initiated the confrontation and whose behavior made the other party fearful for their safety. Zimmerman's actions precipitated the entire encounter, and that places responsibility for the outcome on his shoulders, IMO.

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I thought it went... lame54 Jul 2013 #1
And how do we know it was a punch? avebury Jul 2013 #2
Yes. We only have Z-boy's word that he was attacked yardwork Jul 2013 #13
It could have been a head butt, as T was held down by Z. MADem Jul 2013 #29
Turn the other cheek? Democrats_win Jul 2013 #3
And you can even start the fight! bunnies Jul 2013 #4
That's the main point here Aerows Jul 2013 #19
Yep. bunnies Jul 2013 #21
Zimmerman didn't know that wasn't a fatal blow NoOneMan Jul 2013 #5
Insecure people carry guns madokie Jul 2013 #6
+1000 (except for the last sentence). sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #8
2a gives you the right to shoot the person, or any person you w ant for that matter, correct? nt msongs Jul 2013 #7
Florida and some other states have given a broad license to kill certain others indepat Jul 2013 #9
Only if you are not black exboyfil Jul 2013 #32
Only if you claim to be in fear for your life or great bodily harm to yourself or others. Jenoch Jul 2013 #11
1a gives you the right to say things which are not supported by the facts or rational thinking. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #42
2a doesn't give any such right. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #45
Nose and head, madaboutharry Blue Bike Jul 2013 #10
Especially if you're a soft, passive, uncoordinated blob, as the defense says. Avalux Jul 2013 #12
Then he should have stayed home. yardwork Jul 2013 #14
Or at least stayed in his car and waited for the police. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #24
The small laceration on the nose indicates that Zimmerman could have hit himself with the gun barrel. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #15
I've been wondering why the state hasn't brought up that possibility. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #25
Because its absurd naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #28
The prosecutor seems to be a reluctant one. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #36
Exactly libodem Jul 2013 #41
Or that he fell when he stumbled earlier then blamed Martin for the injuries blm Jul 2013 #31
I thought that too. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #40
Do you seriously think that "the kick of the gun" could cause "the abrasions on the back of his head AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #43
Just a thought. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #44
do you feel your life is threatened? HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #16
you must be one hell of a wimp CatWoman Jul 2013 #18
If I feel my life is threatened I will shoot you till you do not move. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #20
Oh boy. Another tough guy with a gun Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #22
If some punk started hitting me, I feel my life is in danger. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #23
You can't be serious Hugabear Jul 2013 #39
Yup. HappyMe Jul 2013 #30
What a way to live. /nt yardwork Jul 2013 #26
And my guess is, anytime you experience any fear whatsoever, you believe that your life is kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #37
then don't put yourself in a situation where you feel your life is threatened.. frylock Jul 2013 #38
Why did Zimmerman put himself in a position to fear for his life? blm Jul 2013 #33
That's wrong it's what a reasonable person Finnmccool Jul 2013 #34
In the vast majority of jurisdictions... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #17
+ 1000 Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #27
70% of rapes involve an unarmed attacker Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #35
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