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brentspeak

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110. You really are quite shameless in the propaganda dept.

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 04:47 PM

Jul 2013

I've met corporate spokes-shills like you before; their ability to repeat the same see-through B.S. over and over and over again and still come back for more is remarkable.

To other DUers: Pampango has many times posted this exact same McCarthyite accusation of "you must be a teabagger if you are opposed to free trade agreements" alongside the same Pew Research chart. Look here (and read the responses to Pampango's posts): http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=648595

So, without further ado, I'll point out simply that the chart Pampango disingenuously links to comes from a Pew Research article entitled Americans Are of Two Minds on Trade: More Trade, Mostly Good; Free Trade Pacts, Not So and that the real gist of the article is that no majority part of any partisan group -- including Democrats -- supports any of the "free trade" agreements:

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Look what NAFTA did to Ecuador and then tell me I'm posting too much about the TPP [View all] cali Jul 2013 OP

notice what is missing from the obama quote in the last paragraph - protecting our constitutional msongs Jul 2013 #1

Even if he did say he would protet our constitutional rights, I wouldn't believe him. forestpath Jul 2013 #18

His credibility is a thing of the past....nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #55

well we know that part in Obama's speech about not privatizing our public services is a lie. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #2

K&R pa28 Jul 2013 #3

outraged kick cali Jul 2013 #4

Just curious, which of these trade agreements were negotiated by President Obama? Progressive dog Jul 2013 #5

The TPP and the TTIP are both high priorities of the President's and his cali Jul 2013 #10

He didn't really want an answer, you libtard. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #27

heh. evidently I am a libtard. I fall for it every time. cali Jul 2013 #35

Top priorities, I see and of course the Progressive dog Jul 2013 #47

What is your argument? It's terrible but not Obama's fault. Good fucking grief. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #49

Obviously, your argument is that it is terrible Progressive dog Jul 2013 #61

here: there have been leaks. cali Jul 2013 #63

There are always "leaks", but they're not always true. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #65

oh ffs. these leaks have been confirmed as true. cali Jul 2013 #66

Of course they have, that's why Congress Progressive dog Jul 2013 #70

It kind of blows me away zeemike Jul 2013 #86

That is exactly what I was thinking. JEB Jul 2013 #93

It's not a treaty, cadaverdog Jul 2013 #106

So fast track is an end run around the constitutional requirements. zeemike Jul 2013 #107

I don't see Obama getting fast track authority particularly from the republicans in the House. pampango Jul 2013 #109

But if they did what would that say? zeemike Jul 2013 #114

Yeah, I would like to see whats in them too.... daleanime Jul 2013 #53

NAFTA was public before it was passed, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #64

TPP? daleanime Jul 2013 #67

TPP will be public before it's given to Congress, just Progressive dog Jul 2013 #69

Huh, do you think we'll have.... daleanime Jul 2013 #74

I'm not sure where in the laws of the USA Progressive dog Jul 2013 #77

"We have a representative government" LMFAO L0oniX Jul 2013 #80

Yes. Top priorities as he said in his SOTU speech cali Jul 2013 #56

Which a lot of us here have read zeemike Jul 2013 #88

Lets Roll-the-Tape!!! bvar22 Jul 2013 #45

Let's see what he said as he ran for president Progressive dog Jul 2013 #46

Lets roll another tape: bvar22 Jul 2013 #92

I thought I did. zeemike Jul 2013 #89

Gee, could that be why Ecuador is ticked off enough at us to shelter Assange? KamaAina Jul 2013 #6

Thanks for posting this Cali Hydra Jul 2013 #7

Also the destruction of the Mexican farm sector Recursion Jul 2013 #8

Maize almost has religious status in much of Mexico so it's doubly hard when farmers byeya Jul 2013 #22

And the land has gone from thousands of varietals to three Recursion Jul 2013 #24

K&R.... Keep the TPP posts coming Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #9

Thanks, cali. Keep posting. DU rec. nt antigop Jul 2013 #11

Of course treaties supersede national laws. You want more isolationism because you disagree with RB TexLa Jul 2013 #12

Massive Derp, and check out the handle...mmmhmm, yep. BornLooser Jul 2013 #19

"Some outcomes"? Retarded children, stunted growth, shortened lifespans, ruined watersheds. mbperrin Jul 2013 #34

Again, a neolib calls unfettered trade a force tantamount to the hand of god. Makes me sick. Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #36

Trade agreements:Give up your sovereignty and we will let you trade. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #13

Keep on posting about it cali Autumn Jul 2013 #14

I would never say . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #15

Don't ever shut up. I read all your threads about this and bookmark them Catherina Jul 2013 #16

There is no such thing as posting too much about the TPP. Betrayals don't get any worse than this. forestpath Jul 2013 #17

Africa is next up to be bled dry by the unholy, sub-human vampires... BornLooser Jul 2013 #20

Africa? Larry Summers said Africa was "under polluted" - Not for long byeya Jul 2013 #23

Sad, but true. BornLooser Jul 2013 #25

What kind of a scumbag would look at a region - a continent in this case - and declare byeya Jul 2013 #30

Not to hijack the thread, but I have debated that very question with my friends here in town. BornLooser Jul 2013 #37

The ctsnowman Jul 2013 #21

Worse than Bush? nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #26

I said government ctsnowman Jul 2013 #28

defending mtasselin Jul 2013 #29

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #31

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #32

Caught this on Netflix, worth the watch: "Speaking Freely with John Perkins (Economic Hitman)" drokhole Jul 2013 #33

Thanks for this vital historical lesson.....nt dougolat Jul 2013 #43

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #38

Have you written to any of your elected officials about this? This story... Kolesar Jul 2013 #39

yes, 2 of the three. I know where Bernie stands cali Jul 2013 #40

If only some bio-engineering genius could clone us progressives the truedelphi Jul 2013 #41

Ecuador isn't even in NAFTA. The only countries in NAFTA are the US, Canada and Mexico. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #42

And TPP is not a "bilateral" treaty Kolesar Jul 2013 #44

You need to read a little better. Elwood P Dowd Jul 2013 #48

exactly: it "mimiced" NAFTA. Granted I put NAFTA in the op headline because people cali Jul 2013 #60

Does this mean you support NAFTA? Like the Republicans? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #50

I support President Obama on this issue (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #51

What a good little soldier. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #52

Why? Blindly? Or do you actually know something about it? cali Jul 2013 #57

Right or wrong? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #78

My country right or wrong is a thing that no patriot would think of saying.. L0oniX Jul 2013 #81

...whatever his position may be." Marr Jul 2013 #116

republicans, particularly tea party types, don't support NAFTA. pampango Jul 2013 #58

so what? that has to be one of the worst arguments evah. Bernie Sanders doesn't support it either. cali Jul 2013 #59

"So what?" It gives you many tactical allies in fighting TPP. That should make you happy. pampango Jul 2013 #62

just pointing out that that's a bad argument- and a thoroughly contemptible one as well cali Jul 2013 #68

I think Sanders, Brown and others like the world very much. They are not anti-immigration, pampango Jul 2013 #72

See ...you were a tea bagger republican all this time and didn't know it. L0oniX Jul 2013 #82

yeppers, that's me. maybe I'm some kind of Manchurian Teabagger cali Jul 2013 #83

Plenty of Democrats don't like NAFTA/WTO, too. Just not as many as republicans/teabaggers. pampango Jul 2013 #87

OMG ...DU will commit suicide over having something in common with the tea party. L0oniX Jul 2013 #108

Seems doubtful. We do circular firing squads better than we do the one-person variety. pampango Jul 2013 #111

And your point is? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #85

That the questions, "Does this mean you support NAFTA? Like the Republicans?" would be more accurate pampango Jul 2013 #91

The real question is, DO YOU SUPPORT NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, and all the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #94

As a Democrat I support liberal trade. Per Pew, most Democrats do and most republicans don't. pampango Jul 2013 #95

So you support NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. Do you believe they are responsible for the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #97

I support liberal, low-tariff trade. If you need to hang a label on that, that's your call. pampango Jul 2013 #102

I would love to see a graph that shows what NAFTA has accomplished. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #104

There is both bipartisan support and opposition to free trade agreements. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #103

Agreed. That's exactly what this poll showed. They only differ in percentages. pampango Jul 2013 #105

You really are quite shameless in the propaganda dept. brentspeak Jul 2013 #110

Thou doth protest too much? I made no such accusation here or the post you linked to. pampango Jul 2013 #112

Comedy gold brentspeak Jul 2013 #113

Indeed support was dropping among Democrats, but a plurality still supported it. pampango Jul 2013 #117

NAFTA was supported by Democratic President Bill Clinton and received bipartisan support in Congress Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #96

Yes that is history. Why did you mention it? Are you trying to make a point? If so, rhett o rick Jul 2013 #98

I am refuting your insinuation that supporting NAFTA is a sign that someone is a Republican Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #99

"According to Barack Obama on the campaign trail, ..." Oh, great. Now we know which way he's going AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #54

kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #71

Fuck people who are telling you that you are posting too much about the TPP. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #73

Nothing can break the grasp of dissonance as has been evidenced Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #75

Please, just keep posting CanonRay Jul 2013 #76

Kick Kick Kick! truebluegreen Jul 2013 #79

K & R historylovr Jul 2013 #84

This is a useful OP grantcart Jul 2013 #90

Who told you you was posting too much on TPP? ReRe Jul 2013 #100

what scares me the most is questionseverything Jul 2013 #101

Secret treaties, secret laws, secret courts... and whistleblowers are public enemy #1. Marr Jul 2013 #115

For anyone who doesn't think that Obama's directly involved with the Trans Pacific Partnership AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #118