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ellennelle

(614 posts)
134. consider what he was thrown into
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jul 2013

(up front apology for the length; waiting for my car AC to get repaired.)

let's not forget here, obama is a deeply progressive liberal in his personal principles, but - this is important - he is also deeply aware that he is a president of ALL the people, not just king of the dems.

he canNOT do what bush wanted to do - and often did - and impose his will.

all to his credit.

so, consider all the various pressures and demands that he has encountered since he was thrown into... all this.

now, consider the larger than even the over-the-top RWN tea bagger belligerent republican hatred and obstruction he faces on a daily basis; consider the military-industrial-intelligence complex.

this behemoth is beyond enormous; it rules the world. literally. make no mistake. i'll guess he had his suspicions when he ran, but i'll also guess he had no earthly clue just HOW HUGE and dominant and corrupt and unconstitutional all that has become, much of it in the past decade.

so what he's left with is this: how do i navigate it all? how do i stand up to my duty and lead us in the best steps we can hope for, steps that lead to ultimate success?

which is where the 11 dimensional chess mind comes in.

which is where i most certainly am not.

but i know how anyone in that situation should navigate it all: with tremendously delicate and finely toned surgical care. most certainly not by stampeding in on a white horse and taking no prisoners (see bush). because at risk is killing the patient.

take the environmental piece as just one example. do you really think it's so simple as to just do what we all wish were possible right now, that he could just wave his magic negro wand and make all the oil companies pay zenormous fines to convert the world to renewables, and we can then all grow flowers and romp with the lions and lambs since we'll all be vegan and no one will ever be sad again. (at this juncture, i have to recommend you visit the one and only tbogg for this pearl of wisdom.) i do not use the magic negro phrase lightly; obama knew far better than any of us the venom that awaited him the minute he threw is hat in the ring, and it's only become more venomous since he won. you all know the history; how does anyone navigate that, much less lead?? but consider this as well: what if he were to do just that? what then? you think it would be met with universal support? do you honestly think dictating comprehensive environmental reform would not result in a backlash from hell? at the very least - the very least - the industrial powers-that-be would dump more money than gawd into defeating every democrat for the forseeable future, bar none, even more than ever before. not that every one of them would be met with success, but think about that. this is the saddest truth about how far our country has slid into corruption and vice (and i would say, fascism, given that mussolini defined the term as synonymous with "corporatism&quot . and obama must recognize this as reality.

another scenario, ACA. remember how eagerly obama went for the passing of this bill, even sacrificing numbers of progressive demands, like the public option (forget about single payer, as rahm ditched that from the get-go; so glad he's gone and tanking)? what he always knew was that simply something had to be passed as a basic foundation upon which greater changes could be made in the future. this is actually the way social security happened, gradually, not all at once. and he has to know this is another one republicans will fight to the death, because they have ALWAYS known that each and every government program that serves the safety net is forever remembered with the gratitude of votes. the post FDR republicans watched this happen, and have fought it ever since. obama knows this, he knows it's better to make the lives of americans a little better is not only just good will, it's also good politics, something that ties the opposition in so many knots they fight it all like hell.

and then there's this surveillance piece, something we've all really known about for years. so consider this: what pres. obama is faced with when he's briefed on all this by the MILITARY THAT CONTROLS THE WORLD are the threats that if he does NOT continue with their programs, americans will die. there is this terrorist plan and that plot and this risk and that suspicion and this intelligence and that analysis, and on and on.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE IF CONFRONTED WITH THESE OPTIONS? WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO LET AMERICANS DIE? ON PRINCIPLE?

do you let americans die? makes a nice license plate for NH, but frankly, it only applies to the one with the option in his or her hands for his or her own life. you simply cannot expect any president to make that choice for innocent americans in order to keep his principles in tact. life is, after all, the first unalienable right listed in the Declaration.

it seems to me that too many here are too quick (and i suspect, too young to remember much) to judge in this greenwald mold. don't get me wrong, i admire and respect a great deal of his work. however, he is not squeaky clean himself, and who among us can cast the first stone? after all, we each and every one make compromises each and every day, in our relationships with family, friends, community, work, you name it.

HOW CAN ANYONE THEREFORE TRULY EXPECT THIS MAN TO GOVERN WITHOUT MAKING ANY COMPROMISES???

the name of the governing game is compromise, pure and simple. otherwise, you govern like that faction of rump republicans who take it as a badge of honor to never compromise. where's that at?

compromise seems to be the way good bills move through the system, gradually. unlike very bad bills, like bush's PATRIOT act and his medical bill that created the donut hole, the gift to the pharmaceutical industry; both rammed thru under the shadiest of circumstances.

in general, managing such things, including the military and industrial powers, is a matter first of being able to sense how much gas to apply, when to brake and how much, when to clutch. at every turn, you have to consider so many plates spinning in the air, and each one of them is loaded with potential disaster. it's all become so damn tricky, it literally boggles my mind.

so consider all these things, and consider who out there you would trust to do a better job. and before you jump to a conclusion, consider further:
anyone else might not have this man's intelligence, knowledge, caring and humility (yes, he did do community service in chicago, and wore shoes with holes in the soles), principles, cunning (a good thing ultimately on our side), and yes both idealism and realism.
yes, the man is both idealistic and realistic, in ways not dissimilar to MLK, jr. and he knows, much as king did, that his own dreams will not be realized in his tenure. he sees the writing on this outrageous republican wall of obstruction telling him his only prayer is to take baby steps, and make sure he does not sabotage the future for is party. this party is also corrupt, but please people, get real; this is the only consequential choice we have now, between dems and republicans. so which one do you trust to get us closer to those goals? really? are you willing to do anything to sabotage those chances?
and who would you choose now to do a better job under these outrageous circumstances? someone more like bush? he's our go-to man if - like glenn greenwald - you believe a leader should never under any circumstances compromise in order to move the process along, however halting, toward the larger greater goal? if you're demanding that obama adhere rigidly to most everything he said during his life, or even just his campaigns, then i suggest you opt for the mywayorthehiway mentality of bush, cheney, and the thousands of like-minded jackboots who are now running our country down the toilet under the name of republicans.
the president is NOT and never has been or will be king. obama canNOT dictate what he wants, and sure not what we want.
so, careful what you wish for.

if you really listen to this man carefully, at every turn, on every issue, he has alwaysalwaysALWAYS encouraged, beseeched, and begged the american people to make their voices heard.

it is true this system is deaf, but it is still possible to get the attention of the deaf.

it requires that we be steadfast and clever and patient yet persevering.

when you feel you might despair that the forces are all overpowering us and we're doomed, just consider...

what this black man of unique life and exquisite character and profound fate faces in each and every moment.

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I feel the same confusion as you, Cali. Myrina Jul 2013 #1
*sigh* Roy Rolling Jul 2013 #79
Beautifully Stated. bvar22 Jul 2013 #139
I think he can not do this: fasttense Jul 2013 #120
He's a fairly mainstream Democrat who's more pragmatic than ideological. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #2
Except that Democratic legislators are leading the fight against the drug war RainDog Jul 2013 #20
To be blunt, a black dude with a very public use geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38
I agree. but... RainDog Jul 2013 #78
That IS true...but Bonobo Jul 2013 #154
Far from mainstream - he is a far right ideologue perpetrating the values of the hoarding class, grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #52
The cartoon character you describe would geek tragedy Jul 2013 #59
I hear hs also kicks puppies competitively for distance and accuracy ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #109
That gave me the best laugh I've had Skidmore Jul 2013 #118
LOL. Nah, just wants to starve our grannies is all. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #147
I was going to say also..."mainstream"? Not by any measure. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #152
Remember the right wing mocking the left wing in 2008? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #107
If you read what his positions were in the 2008 campaign, virtually none of this geek tragedy Jul 2013 #110
That particular difference, small is it was, is one of my favorites. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #116
Of course, Hillary was right on the merits. Obama's position was more or less, we'll reduce costs geek tragedy Jul 2013 #123
Yup ... it does seem like some folks really weren't paying attention. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #124
From 2007: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #126
If I recall, that quote came ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #129
Dodd, Biden and Clinton all tried to hit Obama with that language. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #131
Nor should anyone have been surprised when Obama JoePhilly Jul 2013 #132
"post a list of accomplishments, and its denounced." Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #141
Amen - and we need pragmatists treestar Jul 2013 #149
Well, the ACA is perhaps not the best example tularetom Jul 2013 #151
He did not give it away as you state treestar Jul 2013 #155
So you are telling me it's either still in the act or he fought mightily to keep it there tularetom Jul 2013 #162
It is not hard to connect the dots Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #3
Policy decisions have always been made behind closed doors and will be for the foreseeable future. n geek tragedy Jul 2013 #5
Which is exactly what he ran against. ie, he has no core. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #53
sometimes when you move up you lose touch with what is important to the citizens. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #4
Obama promise meter is still a pretty good guage uponit7771 Jul 2013 #6
Actually many of us can figure it out for ourselves. We don't need a "promise meter" to see it. Dawgs Jul 2013 #14
Thank god we have somebody to let us know what is forgivable and what isn't. renie408 Jul 2013 #29
I know what is unforgivable for me. Race to the Top. That is unforgivable. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #47
Seriously? This trumps all other things for you, including the increasingly conservative bias on the renie408 Jul 2013 #81
Yes we all do have to draw a line somewhere, and it was a personal experience that drove that liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #87
I was going to say renie408 Jul 2013 #98
ohhh there is plenty of marching in lockstep around here frylock Jul 2013 #125
"Unforgivable." melodrama much? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #127
how's that bit about ending the "revolving door" going? nashville_brook Jul 2013 #103
How did a constitutional law professor end up with his policies? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #7
Can you call an adjunct a professor? Wasn't he just a part timer? Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #67
Yes, just a part-timer. And he may have been a volunteer lecturer, an unpaid part-timer who was AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #71
That is certainly the most important aspect of my question truebluegreen Jul 2013 #100
You're ignorant to try to make this insult RainDog Jul 2013 #157
Do you believe that all professors agree with you on all subjects? treestar Jul 2013 #150
I think he's answered most of those questions in interviews. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8
I've seen and heard interviews with him, and I don't believe he did. cali Jul 2013 #9
Questions like why he is so enthusiastic about eliminating the availability of medical marijuana rhett o rick Jul 2013 #28
President Eisenhower warned us long ago about... polichick Jul 2013 #10
That is one of two possibilities in my mind. Maybe there are scary ass invisible forces at work. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #27
I've thought about the snake oil thing too, and to some extent... polichick Jul 2013 #36
If that was the case, I still believe that bottle of snake oil was less damaging than... Amonester Jul 2013 #90
No argument here. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #119
This /\ renie408 Jul 2013 #32
boy ain't that the truth. The guy in the White House definitely is not the decider anymore. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #41
I first noticed it when he laughed about legitimate questions from his base about pot legalization. Dawgs Jul 2013 #11
He just wants us to learn from the mistakes of his youth Fumesucker Jul 2013 #12
I think he wants to pass laws in the world that exists Recursion Jul 2013 #13
say what? that made no sense. cali Jul 2013 #17
We're not crushing global corporatism any time soon Recursion Jul 2013 #19
I think you're patently wrong. If that were so, we wouldn't see him appointing cali Jul 2013 #24
You will call whomever he appoints a corporatist Recursion Jul 2013 #161
Im so pissed off at the TPP thing that Im beside myself. bunnies Jul 2013 #15
Same here. And re: TPP, there is NO transparency. truedelphi Jul 2013 #72
Monsanto. bunnies Jul 2013 #84
It is strange, how Obama seems to have morphed into quinnox Jul 2013 #16
I actually believe that much of it is because he's a caring father. Dawgs Jul 2013 #18
maybe if he knew somone with glaucoma or AIDS or cancer who has benefited from liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #23
During the debates he compared himself to an old school Republican. pa28 Jul 2013 #50
he contradicted himself many times. Making many promises to many different groups. That liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #55
Is this close enough? GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #122
I didn't care for Go Vols Jul 2013 #138
Politics without priniciples is the foundation of the 3rd Way. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #21
just a matter of poor spelling ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2013 #30
Yep. And the Father Knows Best wing of the party just love daddy. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #35
What ProSense Jul 2013 #22
this stuff is just sad. do you ever post things in your own words without endless cali Jul 2013 #26
Well, I understand ProSense Jul 2013 #42
you just can't do it. you meaninglessly throw back my words cali Jul 2013 #48
its not a lack of writing skills galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #75
I do. Puglover Jul 2013 #160
Thread hijacking with a filibuster. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #31
you just hit the nail on the head. cali Jul 2013 #40
kinda reminds me of all that stuff OFA spews in their emails before they pitch you for money lol nt msongs Jul 2013 #70
Aaaiiieee! Its the attack of the links! quinnox Jul 2013 #37
Useless without a picture of the adorable White House dog NoOneMan Jul 2013 #39
stealing that one quinnox Jul 2013 #43
Hey now, that's one promise Obama actually kept leftstreet Jul 2013 #136
Ugh.. G_j Jul 2013 #54
I have the exact same feeling I had in the Clinton ..... Bonhomme Richard Jul 2013 #25
I'm not sure its relevant what he believes NoOneMan Jul 2013 #33
So in other words, in our current day, banana republic style of truedelphi Jul 2013 #74
The people get a turd-polisher that the majority of the people approve of NoOneMan Jul 2013 #80
Now, That is Transparent. Thanks for posting. Amonester Jul 2013 #96
No, I have zero on ignore. :) NoOneMan Jul 2013 #101
I agree with what you wrote here, and that Dream World was not the endah-dah-worl Amonester Jul 2013 #105
We knew everything we needed to 40 years ago to have that world NoOneMan Jul 2013 #111
I left the USA on May 18th 1979 for truedelphi Jul 2013 #135
There is no utopian world but there are socialist countries that get a hell of a lot more out liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #112
I think the link below could be an explanation for what's going on: snappyturtle Jul 2013 #34
And it could well be. zeemike Jul 2013 #68
I'm right there with you, Cali. I am an intelligent person and I cannot make head nor tails out Nay Jul 2013 #44
It goes deeper than Holder or Obama Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #45
Cali, your voiced concerns have us all wondering and the single simple answer to all would seem: indepat Jul 2013 #46
I would like an explanation when one of Obama's upaloopa Jul 2013 #49
Right On Cal, it's very confusing! Radicalman Jul 2013 #51
His beliefs are irrelevant, he is employed by the elite to represent their interests. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #56
Well said. Sad to see a man lose his core to unpricipled behavior, but such are small men. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #58
It's a job, and he is well compensated for doing it. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #60
In my view, as he said of Rmoney, Obama has no core. Or, he has a core, but it is antithetical to grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #57
His family background may hold the key. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #61
Are you suggesting that his grandfather was a 'British collaborator?' nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #86
I know I sound like a broken record but he does not work for US. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #62
I was thinking something similar when I was at the gym. I became disillusioned Cleita Jul 2013 #63
Obama has offered to relinquish some of the executive power Billy Pilgrim Jul 2013 #64
No one is calling him a tyrant. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #73
My point is, we'll see. Billy Pilgrim Jul 2013 #94
Obama claimed the power to execute U.S. citizens Maedhros Jul 2013 #89
I find him to be a complete enigma. Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #65
I think big money is such a huge part of our government now that he has to Flaxbee Jul 2013 #66
I felt it at Rick Warren. A thumb in the eye, a kidney punch. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #69
The Script for his administration was Written-On-the-Wall when he did this: bvar22 Jul 2013 #140
And it looks glum for 2016. THe Oligarch Cabal has us right where they want us. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #156
I'm not at all confused by this... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #76
I don't think that your conspiracy theory is logical. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #88
Progress on the wedge issues yes. But not on $$$ issues. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #114
I agree, GF senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #146
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #77
Me too. He's clearly a different person than the man who ran for the office... ReRe Jul 2013 #82
The best way to judge him is by his actions Freddie Stubbs Jul 2013 #83
Here's a few things we know... raindaddy Jul 2013 #85
$$$$$ forestpath Jul 2013 #91
My feelings exactly, Cali. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #92
US reaction to 911 showed two things - what an incredible motivator fear is... NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #97
Agreed. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #99
You're not alone. But there's no sense in crying over spilled milk, hon. Zorra Jul 2013 #93
similarly confused, but sadly, not all that surprised - power, greed, money, politics. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #95
this may go down as the worst "revolving door" White House yet nashville_brook Jul 2013 #102
I knew the fanatics would be the first to jump ship. aquart Jul 2013 #104
except I'm not remotely a fanatic and nor or most others here who share the sentiments cali Jul 2013 #117
Of course. aquart Jul 2013 #121
He sure isn't what he claimed to be, either time. And I don't buy that he sold out, as an excuse. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #106
took the words right out of my mouth.... mike_c Jul 2013 #108
I wish I understood also. felix_numinous Jul 2013 #113
Washington has ALWAYS been WAY behind where the rest of the country wants to be.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #115
"Despite being called Madame Obamahater, I'd vote for him again" ProSense Jul 2013 #128
The NSA and the MIC felix_numinous Jul 2013 #130
I believe Cheney threatened to eat his children. Or possibly space aliens are controlling .... Scuba Jul 2013 #133
consider what he was thrown into ellennelle Jul 2013 #134
Look at a billionaire Sec. of Commerce and torturer as FBI head, then Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #137
I have tried to keep believing but it is very hard when so many of the things I was hoping for do jwirr Jul 2013 #142
you misread him from the beginning. DCBob Jul 2013 #143
I'm going by his own words as candidate and Senator cali Jul 2013 #148
Actually he's done quite well keeping his campaign promises.. DCBob Jul 2013 #158
all campaign promises do not have equal weight. cali Jul 2013 #159
Sure, but defining the weights is the issue. DCBob Jul 2013 #163
Those are all good questions . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #144
troubling questions about this president; even more troubling questions about any possible president carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #145
I have some insight... Bonobo Jul 2013 #153
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