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pnwmom

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:15 PM Jul 2013

Russia might be "handling" Snowden as they have other agents in the past. [View all]

A former KGB agent who has been living in the UK in exile for decades believes Snowden might be getting the same treatment he did when the Soviets wanted information from him.

http://world.time.com/2013/07/10/snowden-in-moscow-what-are-russian-authorities-doing-with-the-nsa-whistleblower/

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So Gordievsky believes Snowden would have gotten roughly the same treatment that the KGB spy got back in 1985. “They would have fed him something to loosen his tongue,” Gordievsky says by phone from the U.K., where he has been living in exile for nearly three decades. “Many different kinds of drugs are available, as I experienced for myself.” Having been called back to Moscow, Gordievsky says his KGB comrades drugged him with a substance that “turned out his lights” and made him “start talking in a very animated way.” Although the drug wiped out most of his memory of the incident, the parts he did recollect horrified him the following morning, when he woke up feeling ill. “I realized that I had completely compromised myself,” he says.

One of the substances the KGB used for such purposes at the time was called SP-117, which is odorless, tasteless and colorless, according Alexander Kouzminov, a former Russian intelligence operative who describes the drug’s effectiveness in his book, Biological Espionage. Now living in New Zealand, Kouzminov worked in the 1980s and early 1990s for the Foreign Intelligence Service, the spy agency known as the SVR, which handles undercover agents, or “illegals,” stationed in foreign countries. In his book, Kouzminov writes that various drugs were used periodically to test these operatives for signs of disloyalty or diversion. Once the drug had worn off, the agents would have no recollection of what they had said and, if their test results were satisfactory, they could be sent back into the field as though nothing had happened.

Although it is impossible to determine which of Russia’s secret services could be handling Snowden’s case, Gordievsky believes it would be either the SVR or the Federal Agency for Government Communication and Information, known as FAPSI, which answers directly to the Kremlin. FAPSI is the Russian analogue to the U.S. National Security Agency, where Snowden worked as a contractor before fleeing to Hong Kong in May with a cache of the agency’s files.


Most of the secrets Snowden has exposed are related to the NSA’s vast surveillance programs, which he revealed to be collecting data on tens of millions of phone calls and Internet communications around the world. FAPSI, which operates its own data gathering stations in various countries, mostly in the former Soviet Union, would be keen to learn as much as possible about the work of its American counterpart. “[Snowden] could have information about the internal parameters of these systems, their lists of targets and priorities,” says Vladimir Rubanov, who headed the KGB’s analytical directorate in 1991-1992, after which he served three years as deputy head of the Russian Security Council. “Yes, all of this is pretty interesting,” he says. “And it is a fool who has the chance to get information and misses it.”



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those who think Snowden is immune to this are willfully ignorant MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #1
Nice Weather. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #13
their freedoms. at least they don't oppress people like Barack! Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #26
Speculation. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #2
Do you think Russia or Snowden would be "transparent" about this? pnwmom Jul 2013 #15
This article has been posted in one form or another multiple times Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #17
This article is from Time, not the NYT or the Post, and it's dated today. pnwmom Jul 2013 #23
Nevertheless, it is the same article that has been posted many times. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #43
Sounds scary. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #3
I wouldn't be surprized if he sang like a canary.. HipChick Jul 2013 #4
He'd spill the beans just to get an upgrade on flamingdem Jul 2013 #5
Don't worry, I'm sure Super Snowden will outsmart them all Ruskies! FSogol Jul 2013 #6
Snowden in the big leagues arely staircase Jul 2013 #7
Yeah I was thinking about it some. There is no doubt that the Russians would want to get their BenzoDia Jul 2013 #10
It is a no-brainer. Of course they would get it. They would be fools not to. arely staircase Jul 2013 #11
Scopololamine JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8
Jesus!!!! I watched the whole thing, start to finish---day-um!!!!!!!! nt MADem Jul 2013 #20
that is creepy beyond words. omg. Whisp Jul 2013 #37
People in certain lines of work are not allowed to travel to certain other countries FarCenter Jul 2013 #9
Even folks with TS clearance are allowed to travel to 'certain' other countries.. HipChick Jul 2013 #16
But no nation is as big and mean as the Evil U.S. Empire CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #12
Certainly none as stupid. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #21
Welcome him home after he shared documents with the Chinese newspapers? Unlikely. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #24
Would have been smart though. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #27
But wise. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #31
Welcome him back? And under what inducement would he have accepted? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #30
setting that kind of precedent isn't so smart. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #39
chilling arely staircase Jul 2013 #14
I think there are two reasons we're not hearing anything from Snowden flamingdem Jul 2013 #18
The US could have avoided all this had it simply invited Snowden to come home and live his life JDPriestly Jul 2013 #19
Are they important? We have to wonder if Putin thinks so.... MADem Jul 2013 #22
His companion was supposed to check in with her parents and hasn't been? pnwmom Jul 2013 #25
They were quoted in the paper more than a week ago as saying they were worried about her. MADem Jul 2013 #36
If the US had simply told him he could come home without a problem and said to the American JDPriestly Jul 2013 #28
Ever think that NSA now knows what he took, and it's worse than we realize? MADem Jul 2013 #34
The smart thing to do if they wanted to silence Snowden would have been to bring him home JDPriestly Jul 2013 #35
The Chinese and the Russians had him in their hot little hands. MADem Jul 2013 #38
Now it's the government's (Obama's) fault if something happens? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #32
Apparently, when the banks violated laws, Obama's government felt it was more important JDPriestly Jul 2013 #33
Or not. dkf Jul 2013 #29
Are you really this scared a person? Your thread seems like a bunch of fear mongering to me based avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #40
The new DU - where conspiracy bullshit is fine as long as it fits a certain agenda... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #41
I thought he was already living it up on Margarita Island at the expense of grateful Venezuelans alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #42
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