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Divernan

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55. I've visited a Stasi (not staTsi) prison camp

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:30 AM

Jul 2013

Berlin is my favorite EU city, so I've spent quality time there. I also took a day trip to a nearby former Stasi prison and received an in-depth tour of that facility. It started out as Sachsenhausen concentration camp - Hitler's first, prototype camp. Since it was in East Germany, after WW Two, the soviets kept the camp operating as a prison for former Nazis, political dissidents and any Germans who attempted to escape to the West, or were even suspected of wanting to escape to the West. It operated as a prison (Soviet Special Camp Number Seven) until 1950.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_special_camp_Nr._7

Since you can't even spell "stasi", I challenge your qualifications to pontificate on what was suffered under the stasi. I'll tell you this, though. German citizens who were "disappeared" to Sachsenhausen, and later to Soviet Special Camp Number Seven, were snatched off the streets, from their homes, or from their places of employment, never to be heard from again. Because they didn't have habeas corpus, or the right to be publicly accused, or have lawyers defend them, or to have public trials. When my American tour leader (married to a Berliner, and living in Berlin) described this to us, I commented, sounds just like the Patriot Act, to which she sadly agreed.

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Germans illuminate message on US embassy [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 OP

Merkel rejects Stasi comparisons and defends data interception Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #1

Yah, but...Merkel is a good German. HereSince1628 Jul 2013 #69

Of course she would, there have been some questions about her own background sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #74

Good one! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #2

You do know who that slob pictured on the slide is? MADem Jul 2013 #10

Oh, because that's what's important in this story Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #14

You are showing your complete lack of knowledge with your response to me. MADem Jul 2013 #18

Thanks for proving my point Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #25

I didn't prove your point. You didn't understand the issue. nt MADem Jul 2013 #28

Cloud storage is not theft of intellectual property. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #20

Please--when what's in the "cloud" are movies that haven't been released to DVD yet, MADem Jul 2013 #29

You'd find the same on YouTube, for instance. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #30

It did not "incidentally happen to use his face." He was IN ON IT. MADem Jul 2013 #33

See it your own way. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #37

I'll "see it" based on the picture of the bootlegger projected on the building. MADem Jul 2013 #40

I did better than that MADem, I went to his Twitter page Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #43

Really? What did you see that was "different?" You're saying he didn't steal intellectual property? MADem Jul 2013 #46

Um... Who gives a shit about downloaded movies? leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #90

1992 called and wants their "Blah blah called and wants blah blah back" line back... MADem Jul 2013 #91

you can haz all my copyritz? lol.. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #96

What, no Nazi references? Those would get that assclown arrested! MADem Jul 2013 #3

NPR too which I added for your acceptance Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #4

I've no doubt NPR copied it from RT... MADem Jul 2013 #6

Are you being sarcastic? Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #8

That's not what I said--but good "dense" (your word, own it) interpretation. MADem Jul 2013 #12

he's protected by Godwin's Law markiv Jul 2013 #5

You can't say that "N" word in Germany--they'll arrest you in "Stasi-like" fashion. MADem Jul 2013 #7

they try to stamp out nazi-dom, with a nazi jack boot markiv Jul 2013 #15

It isn't illegal to say the word Nazi in Germany. It's illegal to be a Nazi Solly Mack Jul 2013 #75

I think they use that "Stasi" word as a sneaky substitute, for the purposes of insulting people... MADem Jul 2013 #80

Jesus Christ, that is not Godwin's Law. How many times must I explain this? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #11

And it's not a law, but that doesn't matter when you're tasked with trying to defend Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #17

actually its an internet meme that needs pictures galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #97

As Germans they should have more respect for the people who suffered under the Stasi Californeeway Jul 2013 #9

That sloppy guy on the slide is mad because the "STASI" don't want him stealing MADem Jul 2013 #13

Well let's see... there's MKultra, Cointelpro, and this guy from my neighborhood Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #22

the comparison is still hyperbole Californeeway Jul 2013 #36

"But when you claim that we are in a police state" Really? Where did I say that? Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #38

This whole "I didn't say that" is typical hackneyed debate tactic BS Californeeway Jul 2013 #47

I'll say it Scootaloo Jul 2013 #57

And you said it very eloquently, indeed! Divernan Jul 2013 #61

I can appreciate and respect your ability to say it and stand by it. Californeeway Jul 2013 #68

Regarding the president... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #70

+ + byeya Jul 2013 #72

Excellent post. woo me with science Jul 2013 #79

Who are you to say "what gets used way too often around here"? Divernan Jul 2013 #62

more or less the assumptions you make about me are way off Californeeway Jul 2013 #64

The post is about pertinent hyperbole PATRICK Jul 2013 #73

9/11/2001 Guantanamo detention camp 2002 Progressive dog Jul 2013 #116

you're correct in part temmer Jul 2013 #32

the data collection has scared the shit out of me since I heard about it Californeeway Jul 2013 #39

My sig is a quote from a former Stasi colonel. Pholus Jul 2013 #59

Hey, the Stasi wasn't intercepting my phone calls here in the USA back in the day Fumesucker Jul 2013 #67

Ahh, pious lectures to foreigners that they're not using their own history in a way you like... (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2013 #87

It came out of artist own pocket Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #16

Kim Dotcom, defender of freedom....NOT. MADem Jul 2013 #19

Not a fan of piracy I see. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #21

If I were an actor, producer, director, key grip, makeup artist, best boy, craft services provider, MADem Jul 2013 #24

People who pirate are generally those who could not afford it anyway. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #26

Naaaah--because this guy charges a fee. MADem Jul 2013 #27

Your post reminds me of something... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #52

I don't disagree that much of what Hollywood churns out is dreck, but I'll also bet that MADem Jul 2013 #56

You fail to grasp the point of the analogy Scootaloo Jul 2013 #66

Of course it's not the "primary" loss leader, but it is one--and for you to compare it to a seal is MADem Jul 2013 #81

yeah...let's attack the messenger ***yawn*** temmer Jul 2013 #34

Yes, because the messenger has been indicted for intellectual property theft. YAWN... nt MADem Jul 2013 #48

I can hear the Church Choir already. Outraged lectures to the Germans coming in 4,3,2,1... Catherina Jul 2013 #23

"I have a relative from East Germany and HE says...." sibelian Jul 2013 #31

The NSA has gathered more information, renditioned more people, than the Stasi ever did Catherina Jul 2013 #42

A stasi comparison is quite valid, according to a loyalist's own post Divernan Jul 2013 #44

Thank you Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #45

Exactly. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jul 2013 #53

Hoisted, indeed. Thank you. woo me with science Jul 2013 #54

Another one today Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #71

Thank you for posting this. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #77

You can't even debate me directly, perhaps to escape rebuttal? Californeeway Jul 2013 #63

Hit a nerve, didn't I? Divernan Jul 2013 #65

The Stasi comparison is appropriate temmer Jul 2013 #78

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Catherina Jul 2013 #111

+100000 "If you don't want to be compared to the Stasi, quit acting like it." woo me with science Jul 2013 #49

My personal favourite Choir Hymn "it's disrespectful to REAL victims of ....". One word - Hypocrites idwiyo Jul 2013 #60

Yep. "How dare they invoke their experiences in a way that makes us uncomfortable?!" (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2013 #88

If they're that worried about disprespecting REAL victims, they can address Guantanamo Catherina Jul 2013 #113

That's a stupid fucking insult to those who suffered Cha Jul 2013 #35

Ahem. woo me with science Jul 2013 #51

I've visited a Stasi (not staTsi) prison camp Divernan Jul 2013 #55

Except that the Patriot Act didn't disturb habeas corpus, the right to be publicly accused, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #82

Patriot Act, expanded byMilitary Commissions Act,National Defense Authorization Act & SCOTUS Divernan Jul 2013 #84

Derp Someone didn't read Hamdan vs Rumsfeld. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #85

That was 2006 - try to keep up. Divernan Jul 2013 #92

Yes, and the NDAA explicitly states that it doesn't change the law regarding detainee geek tragedy Jul 2013 #93

YOU brought up Hamden v. Rumsfeld; I don't rely on it. Divernan Jul 2013 #94

I'm saying Hamdan v Rumsfeld disproves your entire argument. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #95

The law doesn't work the way you think it does. Divernan Jul 2013 #98

You're aware that Congress can't overrule a constitutional ruling by the SCOTUS, right? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #101

I'm the retired law professor & you're not Divernan Jul 2013 #106

A retired law professor who can't read a statute. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #107

You get A for persistence; F for legal knowledge/reasoning Divernan Jul 2013 #108

Nope, I just had much better professors than you when I attended law school. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #109

Well you better tell Obama, cause that's not the way he sees it. Divernan Jul 2013 #112

Too much misinformation to debunk from geek tragedy Jul 2013 #115

Oh the irony - that should leave a mark malaise Jul 2013 #41

It's a stupid insult to those who did suffer under the German Cha Jul 2013 #100

I'm an Obama fan but I don't support malaise Jul 2013 #103

Yes, I know, malaise.. the real German Stasi.. Cha Jul 2013 #105

Well your Fundie neighbors are watching you now malaise Jul 2013 #110

Don't have any fundy neighbors thank Goodness.. but, I see your Cha Jul 2013 #114

Hilter, Stasi and Stalin -- the Hair of Fire Trifecta DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #58

These germans... Accusing the NSA of Stasi tactics without asking our permission first! Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #76

Germans have every right to make idiotic comparisons to their own past. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #83

Evidently, they can insult those who did suffer under the German Stasi and Cha Jul 2013 #104

Oh dear! Rex Jul 2013 #86

Absurd. n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #89

That looks like a really Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #99

How idiotic BainsBane Jul 2013 #102