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snappyturtle

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18. A bulk of them are approved because the Justice Department
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:33 PM
Jul 2013

isn't taking "No" as an answer. There's no oversight. Frankly, we know little about the process. Read this article printed yesterday from 'Mother Jones'....Feinstein et. al. tried to get some info but the Fisa court mumbo jumboed her that it's intertwined with too much classified stuff. She was asking for general info...less the classified...of course.

Here's four paragraphs of it...go to link for more. See what you think.

"The FISA system is broken," Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, told the Journal. "At the point that a FISA judge can compel the disclosure of millions of phone records of US citizens engaged in only domestic communications, unrelated to the collection of foreign intelligence…there is no longer meaningful judicial review."

But according to Timothy Edgar, a top privacy lawyer at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Council under Bush and Obama, it's not quite as simple as the FISC rubber stamping nearly every application the government puts in front of it.


The reason so many orders are approved, he said, is that the Justice Department office that manages the process vets the applications rigorously... [S]o getting the order approved by the Justice Department lawyers is perhaps the biggest hurdle to approval. "The culture of that office is very reluctant to get a denial," he [told the Journal].

Still, the entire process is closed. The FISC court hears evidence for surveillance applications presented solely by the Department of Justice. The court does not have to release its opinions or any information regarding such hearings.


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06/fisa-court-nsa-spying-opinion-reject-request

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Your Privacy Is Our Concern lol! LMAO! Catherina Jul 2013 #1
I wonder what would have happened if Microsoft had said snappyturtle Jul 2013 #2
Perhaps former FISA court case chief justice Colleen Kollar-Kotelly would reverse her appeals ruling cascadiance Jul 2013 #3
My mouth is hanging open! I didn't know...well snappyturtle Jul 2013 #5
I read the whole article Twice and my mouth is still open... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #22
+1 KoKo Jul 2013 #7
+1 nt reusrename Jul 2013 #10
+1. First thought that crossed my mind. closeupready Jul 2013 #12
Ugh. All this transparency is making my head spin n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #14
I read where Twitter drags their feet more than any other provider. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #8
I'm sure we all agree that law enforcement should never try to unencrypt emails. randome Jul 2013 #4
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I guess snappyturtle Jul 2013 #9
The Guardian should have asked NSA the question. randome Jul 2013 #11
A bulk of them are approved because the Justice Department snappyturtle Jul 2013 #18
Fix the system. Throw it out. I'm fine with either scenario. randome Jul 2013 #20
I don't think they're coming after us but rather using us. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #21
They don't get the content from Microsoft. reusrename Jul 2013 #26
I'm wondering about the major firewall companies, Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #6
I know they use third party vendors. reusrename Jul 2013 #13
Thank you! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #15
The whole story is sort of like a connect-the-dots puzzle. reusrename Jul 2013 #28
Only metadata my ass. woo me with science Jul 2013 #16
mmmh...this smells of class action lawsuits... temmer Jul 2013 #17
LOTS of talk about that in Europe right now Catherina Jul 2013 #24
Kick. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #19
Why Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #23
Kick !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #25
why do we get this from the UK and not US media littlewolf Jul 2013 #27
Heard a brief discussion on CBS This Morning. It was presented as legal, and matter of fact. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #29
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