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MADem

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13. If it was us, I think Pootie Poot would be screaming from the rooftops about our heavy ham hands!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jul 2013

I wonder just what kind of distraction this "Where's Waldo" silliness is in aid of.


It could well be that State is talking to Colombia, to give them some sort of consideration (aid, trade concessions, something) so that they'd be willing to sign off on (i.e. not make a stink about) a prisoner exchange....i.e. the Russians throw Snowden on a plane, and we give the Russians their beloved Viktor Buut! Or Bout, as the wiki-case may be...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Bout



Viktor Anatolyevich Bout (Russian: Виктор Анатольевич Бут ) (born 13 January 1967, near Dushanbe, Tajik SSR, Soviet Union) is a convicted Russian arms smuggler of Ukrainian origins.[1] A citizen of Russia, he was arrested in Thailand in 2008 before being extradited in 2010 to the United States to stand trial on terrorism charges, after having being accused of intending to smuggle arms to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) to use against U.S. forces.[2][3][4] On 2 November 2011, he was convicted by a jury in a Manhattan federal court of conspiracy to kill U.S. citizens and officials, deliver anti-aircraft missiles and provide aid to a terrorist organization.[1][5]

A former Soviet military translator,[6] Bout had reportedly made a significant amount of money through his multiple air transport companies,[7] by shipping cargo mostly in Africa and the Middle East during the 1990s and early 2000s.[8] As willing to work for Charles Taylor in Liberia as he was for the United Nations in Sudan and the United States in Iraq,[7][9] Bout may have facilitated huge arms shipments into various civil wars in Africa with his private air cargo fleets during the 1990s.[10]

....In cooperation with American authorities,[9] Royal Thai Police arrested Bout in Bangkok, Thailand, in 2008.[12] The United States demanded his extradition, which was eventually mandated by the Thai High Court in August 2010.[4] Before his extradition to the United States in November 2010, he expressed confidence that this U.S. trial would eventually lead to his acquittal.[13][14] This did not occur.[15] From January 2011 to June 2012 Bout was incarcerated in the Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York City.[citation needed] In June 2012 he was transferred to the United States Penitentiary, Marion in Illinois.[16] On 5 April 2012, he was sentenced to 25 years imprisonment by a U.S. judge.[17][18][19]


There are 'suspicions'--and I hold them, as well--that Viktor is one of Pootie Poot's Very Special and Very Clever lads, and Pootie would like him back ... badly.

Bout's personal website states that he served in the Soviet Army as a translator, holding the rank of Lieutenant.[6] He is thought to have been discharged in 1991 with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.[24] But other sources state he rose to the rank of Major in the GRU[7] (an arm of the Soviet military that combines intelligence services and special forces[7]), that he was an officer in the Soviet Air Forces,[9] that he graduated from a Soviet military intelligence training program,[24] or that he was a KGB operative.[20]


Assuming we've pumped all the "goods" we're gonna get outta Viktor, and perhaps with some assurances that he "finish out his sentence in Russia" (which could be on probation, or whatever, but it would keep him close to home), maybe that's what they are going for...?

In any event, the clock is TICKING. Obama is supposed to visit Pootie's country in September, and his peeps have already passed the word that if Snowden is still there, they'd better not bother making up the bed in the guest bedroom.


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Here's my halfassed theory!!! MADem Jul 2013 #1
Well, it's either we or the Russians who took or killed him... allin99 Jul 2013 #2
If it was us, I think Pootie Poot would be screaming from the rooftops about our heavy ham hands! MADem Jul 2013 #13
or the CIA got him out of there days/weeks ago. Whisp Jul 2013 #3
that's the thing though, he *not* communicating.. allin99 Jul 2013 #4
When was the last time he was heard from? Whisp Jul 2013 #5
i wanna say the last time was... allin99 Jul 2013 #8
We haven't seen his face with his lips moving since Hong Kong. That IS strange. nt MADem Jul 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author allin99 Jul 2013 #16
Hong Kong. He hasn't been seen since then, not even on the flight he was Cleita Jul 2013 #11
yeah. i think dead. :( allin99 Jul 2013 #12
He might not have spent any time at the airport--he might be here.... MADem Jul 2013 #23
I did a post about this last week and suggested the same thing. Cleita Jul 2013 #34
Actually, this article says he met with reporters in Russia... allin99 Jul 2013 #15
I didn't see that. But it also begs the question why didn't they take some photos. Cleita Jul 2013 #17
turns out the article is a prank. allin99 Jul 2013 #21
Figures. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #22
That, I am afraid, is an unfunny joke article. MADem Jul 2013 #27
Did you see the posh hotel he was staying at while in Hong Kong? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #6
He was at the Mandarin--very nice, on the Kowloon side! MADem Jul 2013 #30
Or he's in jail somewhere in either China or Russia and held incommunicado. Cleita Jul 2013 #7
That settles it...CIA or Russians have him...Assange is grandstanding HipChick Jul 2013 #9
Maybe he has his headphones on and can't hear the phone ringing. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #10
Or the wind is whistling in his ears. randome Jul 2013 #19
if he is dead, then I wonder what happened to the Wikileaks woman. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #18
She's disappeared off the radar too. There were some articles in British papers about her Cleita Jul 2013 #20
thanks for the name - Sarah Harrison. Whisp Jul 2013 #24
i'm not sure why but i feel like... allin99 Jul 2013 #25
She is also well known as a "former lover" of Assange... MADem Jul 2013 #31
Both her sisters live in Hong Kong... Whisp Jul 2013 #36
They might have provided the "crash pad" for awhile... nt MADem Jul 2013 #40
Or maybe crickets. Our side doesn't want this to make them look bad either. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #35
If he's dead, whose purpose is Greenwald serving relaying "messages" from him? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #26
They are spy wannabes playing spy games. randome Jul 2013 #28
Perhaps GG doesn't want to admit he's been "tooled?" MADem Jul 2013 #32
Probably smart. Turbineguy Jul 2013 #29
Maybe he doesn't want to go to Venezuela hack89 Jul 2013 #33
he would still have contacted. Esp after... allin99 Jul 2013 #38
Rumor on twitter last night said that Snowden's dad is negotiating for his return flamingdem Jul 2013 #37
'Snowdad'. Is there a 'Snowmom'? I don't recall hearing anything about his mother. randome Jul 2013 #39
Looks like mom doesn't like the media spotlight flamingdem Jul 2013 #43
Certainly could be, which makes sense why wikileaks never started the... allin99 Jul 2013 #42
Wikileaks is mum, something's going on nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #44
yup. allin99 Jul 2013 #45
No photos of him on flight from Hong Kong to Moscow. DevonRex Jul 2013 #41
hmmm. But when they interviewed people getting off the flight... allin99 Jul 2013 #46
Hard to believe that after all the protests in Hong Kong, all the publicity DevonRex Jul 2013 #47
people are less likely... allin99 Jul 2013 #50
Maybe he *wants* people to think he's dead. bunnies Jul 2013 #48
Doesn't help him get to vnzla UNLESS.... allin99 Jul 2013 #49
hmmm. true. bunnies Jul 2013 #51
ah, good one. Which is he could be... allin99 Jul 2013 #57
People say it's not about Snowden. Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #52
i get the feeling if he's dead... allin99 Jul 2013 #53
Maybe he has a "cold" NoPasaran Jul 2013 #54
or the one Trotsky had... EX500rider Jul 2013 #55
I still think he's in mainland China. roamer65 Jul 2013 #56
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