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sad sally

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32. When drones go rogue...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:31 PM
Feb 2012

The Crash and Burn Future of Robot Warfare
What 70 Downed Drones Tell Us About the New American Way of War
By Nick Turse

American fighter jets screamed over the Iraqi countryside heading for the MQ-1 Predator drone, while its crew in California stood by helplessly. What had begun as an ordinary reconnaissance mission was now taking a ruinous turn. In an instant, the jets attacked and then it was all over. The Predator, one of the Air Force’s workhorse hunter/killer robots, had been obliterated.

An account of the spectacular end of that nearly $4 million drone in November 2007 is contained in a collection of Air Force accident investigation documents recently examined by TomDispatch. They catalog more than 70 catastrophic Air Force drone mishaps since 2000, each resulting in the loss of an aircraft or property damage of $2 million or more.

These official reports, some obtained by TomDispatch through the Freedom of Information Act, offer new insights into a largely covert, yet highly touted war-fighting, assassination, and spy program involving armed robots that are significantly less reliable than previously acknowledged. These planes, the latest wonder weapons in the U.S. military arsenal, are tested, launched, and piloted from a shadowy network of more than 60 bases spread around the globe, often in support of elite teams of special operations forces. Collectively, the Air Force documents offer a remarkable portrait of modern drone warfare, one rarely found in a decade of generally triumphalist or awestruck press accounts that seldom mention the limitations of drones, much less their mission failures.


The aerial disasters described draw attention not only to the technical limitations of drone warfare, but to larger conceptual flaws inherent in such operations. Launched and landed by aircrews close to battlefields in places like Afghanistan, the drones are controlled during missions by pilots and sensor operators -- often multiple teams over many hours -- from bases in places like Nevada and North Dakota. They are sometimes also monitored by “screeners” from private security contractors at stateside bases like Hurlburt Field in Florida. (A recent McClatchy report revealed that it takes nearly 170 people to keep a single Predator in the air for 24 hours.)

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175489/

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And let me guess gratuitous Feb 2012 #1
This is where we need a Constitutional amendment! atreides1 Feb 2012 #2
fascism fascisthunter Feb 2012 #3
I was asking about this last week, regarding the use of drones to kill people sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #4
My thoughts exactly, Sabrina. I want to fully support the President, but when I heard this: sad sally Feb 2012 #8
It is heart-breaking to read all of that. And I have been following the escalation sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #11
Yes, I have read Mr. Schahill's article. Tom Englehardt and Nick Turse also have sad sally Feb 2012 #12
It's almost as if the CIA/Blackwater operate with impunity. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #20
This should be an OP. woo me with science Feb 2012 #27
+1000 G_j Feb 2012 #41
(Obama) ‘Drones have not caused a huge number of civilian casualties’ G_j Feb 2012 #34
I might have to buy some barrage balloons and chaff dispensers then. arbusto_baboso Feb 2012 #5
Dog bites man hifiguy Feb 2012 #6
Here's the leading manufacturer of these non-human killing machines writing laws governing their use sad sally Feb 2012 #7
Ooooo scary "drones" intaglio Feb 2012 #9
deliberate stalking/spying by government/police agencies who can kill without trial etc msongs Feb 2012 #10
Knee-Jerk response again intaglio Feb 2012 #18
Do you really believe all that tripe? Occulus Feb 2012 #23
It's better than being a conspiracy theorist intaglio Feb 2012 #24
so we should just shrug our shoulders over a huge expansion of domestic drones librechik Feb 2012 #33
Yup, intaglio Feb 2012 #38
How is *anything* to do with drones an iota different than a police helicopter? Stinky The Clown Feb 2012 #13
They don't need pilots KamaAina Feb 2012 #14
When they are killing people? sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #15
It's like a taser... phantom power Feb 2012 #16
They can be the size of birds now, woo me with science Feb 2012 #26
Who is to say that the goverment isn't using animal drones right now? nt bathroommonkey76 Feb 2012 #40
What about when they get to insect size? Fumesucker Feb 2012 #29
OK, here's my brilliant bit of "tinfoil" to add to this discussion... Peace Patriot Feb 2012 #17
I await, with bated breath, intaglio Feb 2012 #19
You make a broad generalization about "conspiracies" with no examples... Peace Patriot Feb 2012 #21
In other words intaglio Feb 2012 #25
i think you underestimate the motive of billions of dollars of profit... Peace Patriot Feb 2012 #30
Where to begin intaglio Feb 2012 #37
Yet that confluence of power relied on one lunatic to shoot Giffords up... Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #39
Mitre Corp = MIT Research Stinky The Clown Feb 2012 #28
K&R woo me with science Feb 2012 #22
That is what happens when we have no one in charge Rex Feb 2012 #31
When drones go rogue... sad sally Feb 2012 #32
Well that should give the local news channels Rex Feb 2012 #35
Yay! Another black hole for tax payer money! Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #36
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