George Zimmerman Explodes the NRA Fantasy of the Armed Citizen

[Decoy of Fenris]

24. Sorry, BB, but your conclusions don't match the evidence.

Take a look at your cite; it's a prime example of a masturbatory argument. "People with guns shoot people more than people who don't have guns." ... Well YEAH. That's a given, because people who don't have guns don't shoot people; they beat them to death with golf trophies, or stab them with broken pool cues. Pure logical thought processes indicate that people who have an item in their possession (gun) and use that item for a particular purpose (gun crime, let's say), go figure, are -participating in gun crime more than people who don't commit gun crime with a gun.-

The problem with Mother Jones and most of the studies I've seen out of them is that MJ tends to publish easily read yet highly misunderstood/misleading articles.

To put it more simply:

Person A has a gun.
Person B does not have a gun.

Both people then assault a person.

Person A uses a gun in the assault
Person B does not use a gun in the assault

Mother Jones then goes on to tell us that "Of gun crimes, Person A used more gun than Person B."
While the point may be accurate, the study and the very premise behind it is both intellectually dishonest and flawed.



What the other guy is saying is just that; Correlation is there, causation is not. He's asking you to offer evidence to causation, not correlation.