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104. I'm an American, the government is elected by American citizens

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:12 PM

Jul 2013

that government should respond only to the opinions of Americans. Just like every one else, they can sometimes be wrong but that is the way government works.
If you are not an American, you should have absolutely no say in our government. That is what nation states are and have always been. I don't think our government should roll over for the extreme theocratic Iranian regime because of stuff that happened 60 years ago.

I am not talking about delusions. I am not spouting irrational thoughts. I am looking at the reality of what our government is doing at our borders, in our airports and with regard to our communications. I am not the paranoid one. The folks in D.C. who put these programs in place are the irrational ones, the people with paranoia.

It's not the folks in DC, it was their democratically elected representatives. Our government has a right and a duty to control our borders. Our government has a duty to provide for our security, the airport stuff may be too much, but it is not a violation of anyone's rights.

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Greenwald calls USA "lawless, rogue empire" in defense of Snowden [View all] uhnope Jul 2013 OP

Get the Fonz's leather jacket. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #1

Glenn Beck Greenwald MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #2

Using the terms "lawless" and "rogue" while defending Snowden is priceless. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #3

This. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #28

K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #35

Nailed it... SidDithers Jul 2013 #66

+1000 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #67

Greenwald doesn't have a fucking clue and he knows his fans will eat Cha Jul 2013 #68

+1 n/t tammywammy Jul 2013 #86

Hey.. Journalists want to be Stars too!!!! DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #4

After Iraq, calling us a "lawless, rogue empire" is hardly surprising. polichick Jul 2013 #5

But ProSense Jul 2013 #6

Doesn't matter who's president, we are a "lawless, rogue empire"... polichick Jul 2013 #12

I think it ProSense Jul 2013 #16

You think the private contractors the gov't has employed polichick Jul 2013 #23

What does that have to do with being a 'lawless, rogue empire'? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #30

I was responding to your worries about Snowden and China... polichick Jul 2013 #37

WTH would you do with all the data? You should be concerned about Snowden delivering this info Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #40

My point is, why worry about this one guy when the gov't has allowed... polichick Jul 2013 #45

You stated you wanted the info provided to others. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #51

Where? polichick Jul 2013 #52

this. nt uhnope Jul 2013 #50

Go and educate yourself on all the things the U.S. does and tell me with a straight face... AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #14

I guess ProSense Jul 2013 #22

The US is not a lawless rogue empire in the Progressive dog Jul 2013 #42

I'm sure the people of Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Iran... NuclearDem Jul 2013 #71

Do you have a poll from any of those places? Progressive dog Jul 2013 #97

I think they're entitled to some opinion on the matter NuclearDem Jul 2013 #99

I don't, I'm an American, they give me no say Progressive dog Jul 2013 #100

That would be fine, if "our affairs" weren't becoming theirs too NuclearDem Jul 2013 #101

When was the last time we bombed Nicaragua, Iran etc. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #102

We funded right-wing rape squads in Nicaragua flagrantly against the law NuclearDem Jul 2013 #103

I'm an American, the government is elected by American citizens Progressive dog Jul 2013 #104

Again, I never said anyone but Americans should have any say in the US government NuclearDem Jul 2013 #105

Blocking asylum, coercing allies to deny State Heads use of their airspace, secret courts and laws.. dkf Jul 2013 #9

exactly n/t Ava Jul 2013 #11

Shooting down their planes, taking away popsickles, canceling their reservations at Olive Garden Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #39

Please be serious. This is no joke and no laughing matter. dkf Jul 2013 #47

Tell that to your new hero Greenwald!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #55

You really have nothing constructive to add, do you? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #57

Here? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #58

I'll take that as a no. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #59

DUzy!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #60

Just means you're easily self-satisfied burnodo Jul 2013 #91

LULZ. Thats wonderful. phleshdef Jul 2013 #98

Hmmm treestar Jul 2013 #74

Wow. Deluded. dkf Jul 2013 #80

You're the one suffering delusions treestar Jul 2013 #82

So no problem with Latin American countries and Spain etal? dkf Jul 2013 #88

The OP is very new here, and couldn't be expected to know this place. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #27

Hope we didn't run him off! polichick Jul 2013 #38

After the Vietnam War, and US sponsored Central American genocides in 80s-90s, and then Iraq kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #84

Good point - it's amazing how many people you can fool... polichick Jul 2013 #90

Better get my shoot'in iron before I head down to the saloon. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #7

I wonder if people who truly believe we live in a rogue society eissa Jul 2013 #8

Not society, "empire" - please see #12 polichick Jul 2013 #17

Semantics eissa Jul 2013 #26

"Rogue and lawless" is an accurate description for the list in #12... polichick Jul 2013 #33

"It's obvious Greenwald loathes this country and our president" Ava Jul 2013 #10

because "lawless" and "rogue" are propaganda terms, not mere criticism uhnope Jul 2013 #13

Yes, and the Bolivia incident was framed as the US breaking the law flamingdem Jul 2013 #18

What law was broken? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #43

International law regarding passage of heads of state. dkf Jul 2013 #49

Who did this? Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #53

There is no proof of that treestar Jul 2013 #76

I don't know any country eissa Jul 2013 #20

I agree with you Ava Jul 2013 #75

WWAD? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #48

I just tend to think that if he was smart enough Ava Jul 2013 #72

HOW DARE Greenwald and Snowden upset the powers that be! AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #15

Greenwald is a very objective journalist. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #19

I take it you have a very dry or ironic sense of humor. nt uhnope Jul 2013 #24

And I'm an ASTRONAUT! MADem Jul 2013 #36

Helpful primer on the NSA for everyone flamingdem Jul 2013 #21

He needs to go back to Russia! QC Jul 2013 #25

Gosh. There are rules for empires? aquart Jul 2013 #29

I'm not a "love it or leave it" patriot that chants "USA! USA!" AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #31

Greenwald is bad an he hates America. Snowden is ever worse and hates America even more Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #32

He's not a journalist. He's an advocate, and he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, either. MADem Jul 2013 #34

He's been Glenn Beck-ie from the start railsback Jul 2013 #41

He never claimed to be an objective journalist. He claims to be a journalist with an opinion. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #44

How many dongles can you fit in your .... snooper2 Jul 2013 #46

Yeah, I'd say so NuclearDem Jul 2013 #54

but but but.... north korea!!1 frylock Jul 2013 #70

Greenwald has never claimed that he was objective, as far as I know. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #56

Sadly, Greewald's characterization of the U.S. rings true to many ears. Laelth Jul 2013 #61

William Blum makes a good case: cpwm17 Jul 2013 #62

But Greenwald always tells the truth - only the most noble intentions, right? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #63

Why is he saying that NOW? kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #64

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #65

That snark really lacks bite when his stories morningfog Jul 2013 #93

Greenwald is a specialist.. he knows what propaganda will excite Cha Jul 2013 #69

Yes, all the right buzzwords to CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #85

We actually do have laws treestar Jul 2013 #73

Did I miss a sarcasm tag somewhere? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #77

All or nothing is your standard? treestar Jul 2013 #78

No, I would prefer to see the law applied equally across the board NuclearDem Jul 2013 #79

h/t Ava Jul 2013 #89

how does an empire go rogue? Californeeway Jul 2013 #81

Read the whole article bobduca Jul 2013 #83

So many attacks on the man here. Attack what you believe is not the truth if you Cleita Jul 2013 #87

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #92

Correct and journalistic: USA is lawless, rogue empire. JackRiddler Jul 2013 #94

laughable. nt uhnope Jul 2013 #96

greenwald, as usual, is correct. nt boilerbabe Jul 2013 #95