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147. "Mussolini sent Jews to die in Nazi camps"

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:48 PM

Jul 2013

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/1481992/Mussolini-sent-Jews-to-die-in-Nazi-camps.html

"Fascist Italy's reputation for being far less evil than Nazi Germany may have to be revised after a new book accused Benito Mussolini of being an enthusiastic accomplice in the slaughter of Europe's Jews.

Rather than being a reluctant participant in the Holocaust, The Shoah of Italy argues that "Il Duce" forged a secret deal with Hitler to hand Jews to the SS and was far more anti-semitic than once thought.

Mussolini was voicing anti-semitic views as early as 1936 and his Racial Laws of 1938 reflected the regime's "biological racism", the book's author, Michele Sarfatti, claims.

Until now, the passing of the laws that made Jews second-class citizens has been written off as an attempt to curry favour with the Führer."

So my point about throwing references around stands. Go visit a holocaust museum.

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Ellsberg has said that Obama should be impeached (updated) [View all] ProSense Jul 2013 OP

Am I allowed to respect someone for something they did in the past Californeeway Jul 2013 #1

If some of these infallible characters they worship were ever elected to office AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #2

You nailed it. People yearn for infallible heroes to follow without question Californeeway Jul 2013 #7

"two lazy extremes" loyalsister Jul 2013 #14

No political issue exists in a vacuum Californeeway Jul 2013 #62

Obama traded off raising taxes on the rich so he could get DADT overturned....NOT! Left_Is_Right Jul 2013 #128

Exactly loyalsister Jul 2013 #146

Sure. Like Ralph Nader. aquart Jul 2013 #57

Good Example Californeeway Jul 2013 #83

With 33 posts what do you know about "DU's world of black and white moral clarity"? boston bean Jul 2013 #98

Correction: Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #134

How dare he. Obama is pure at heart when he bombs people. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #3

Okay I had to lol... dkf Jul 2013 #27

No man ever reached the presidency in a state of grace. --Jimmy Breslin aquart Jul 2013 #61

what do you think? nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #4

Perhaps you should look beyond the messanger and focus on the message. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #5

Nixon won every state except Massachusetts in 1972. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #6

What are you talking about? Demeter Jul 2013 #53

Oh Manny! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #73

Manny...I like your banner...here's one for ya:} Left_Is_Right Jul 2013 #131

I like that a lot! MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #132

Impeached? How about everyone calm down and start focusing on jobs again. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8

Don't forget choco rations. I understand that they are R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #15

the Constitution is such a ridiculous pet issue - why is ANYONE the least bit bothered about it? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #18

As if the nutty impeachniks these days are about geek tragedy Jul 2013 #100

The folks stealing food off the table are the ones Ellsberg and others here are attacking. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #22

The last thing we need are impeachment hearings. The notion is ridiculous. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #23

Exactly noise Jul 2013 #25

Ellsberg can defy whoever he wants. That's not my concern or care. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #30

Not a traitor. Just someone who throws the word 'impeach' around too loosely. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #31

What do you expect from Ellsberg? noise Jul 2013 #38

He can talk all he wants, if the repukes can't get a super-majority in Congress next year Amonester Jul 2013 #80

Then maybe POTUS should do the right thing for a change. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #37

Congress controls the purse strings. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #40

NSA is in the Executive Branch (so is DoD, DoJ, CIA, FBI etc.) Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #41

We were talking about hungry families, not the NSA. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #44

Why not use the billions noise Jul 2013 #45

Because congress would have to unauthorize NSA spending and JaneyVee Jul 2013 #46

May I recommend courses in government, civics, and public administration so Skidmore Jul 2013 #99

"Why not use the billions" Left_Is_Right Jul 2013 #133

And now we're back to my first comment to you again. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #50

I already answered. Congress controls spending. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #56

And don't forget making sure the trains run on time. NickB79 Jul 2013 #48

Not a top priority. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #51

That particular line went right over your head, huh? NickB79 Jul 2013 #60

LOL, she ignored your stupid Nazi reference. Out of kindness. Or pity. DevonRex Jul 2013 #90

It was a Mussolini reference, FYI NickB79 Jul 2013 #91

LOL right on bahrbearian Jul 2013 #113

Okay, you idiotically compared Obama to Mussolini instead or moronically geek tragedy Jul 2013 #116

"Mussolini sent Jews to die in Nazi camps" DevonRex Jul 2013 #147

you are right..but it isn't us who needs to focus backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #75

Here is Ellsberg in his own voice. Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #9

"Daniel Ellsberg On Why President Obama Should Be Impeached " ProSense Jul 2013 #11

That's funny, all I see is Edward Snowden speaking. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #39

Nice Tea Party image. Ellsberg really has fallen in with a bad crowd. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #117

Fascinating what he says about Dems deciding not to impeach Bush... polichick Jul 2013 #127

I've been wondering when you'd get around to demonizing Ellsberg ever since Marr Jul 2013 #10

How is ProSense Jul 2013 #13

Uh-huh. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #16

"Uh-huh," what? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #17

Oh, good grief! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #29

What ProSense Jul 2013 #32

So many characters to smear, so little time! Union Scribe Jul 2013 #12

He brought up reasons... Bonobo Jul 2013 #19

Extreme hyperbole is ProSense Jul 2013 #21

I don't follow self-referential links for your information. Bonobo Jul 2013 #35

No, that's ProSense Jul 2013 #42

I do too. Bonobo Jul 2013 #52

Those are not the links you're looking for muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #96

Ellsberg should really learn the constitution before advocating geek tragedy Jul 2013 #112

No serious person proposes a Congressional coup to geek tragedy Jul 2013 #102

Two things: When did 51.1% become a "landslide", and why do you make this about President Obama? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #20

Obama 332 electoral votes, Romney 206. Landslide. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #24

Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #26

You didn't post this because you're worried a whit about what Daniel Ellsberg thinks and you know it cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #34

Oh please, I said I disagree with Ellsberg. That's not a secret. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #54

Advocating a Congressional coup against Obama is per se about Obama. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #105

I think it was a landslide burnodo Jul 2013 #114

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No, ProSense Jul 2013 #33

Dodging the topic again. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #77

It ProSense Jul 2013 #79

I love me some ad populums! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #81

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #82

Actually, you're right NuclearDem Jul 2013 #84

Yes, I'm right. The comparison is ludicrous. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #85

Oh? Care to enlighten me? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #86

Sure ProSense Jul 2013 #88

Incredible NuclearDem Jul 2013 #89

Nixon broke the law. Signing a statute into law is not a fucking crime. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #124

So you *are* saying it's a popularity contest; and that a popular pres can get away with illegality muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #97

Alleged illegality. Seeking the reversal of the people's choice geek tragedy Jul 2013 #106

Democracies generally are. Of course, the extreme left's fantasy of coup by geek tragedy Jul 2013 #101

The Carlyle Group & Halliburton agrees with all of you either way. Thank you think Jul 2013 #36

I don't agree with impeachment at all. My 2 cents! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #43

WOW 5 whole RECS bobduca Jul 2013 #47

I know, ProSense Jul 2013 #58

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Talking about having an Axe to Grind... AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #49

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I get it now noise Jul 2013 #63

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #66

Impeaching Obama is divisive in that it geek tragedy Jul 2013 #115

THE IRONY? This senile man won't go to jail for his dissent! alp227 Jul 2013 #64

Why noise Jul 2013 #67

Nixon won 49 states in his reelection. Then the shit hit the fan. rug Jul 2013 #65

I'm ProSense Jul 2013 #68

Yes, you are. rug Jul 2013 #69

No, that ProSense Jul 2013 #72

looks like people are tired of the propaganda backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #70

Pros' gotta eat too bobduca Jul 2013 #71

true dat backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #78

Thanks ProSense, you always shine! ucrdem Jul 2013 #74

No, you can't polish a turd byeya Jul 2013 #125

Looks like most of DU wants Obama to be impeached, too. If this thread DevonRex Jul 2013 #76

The impeachniks are the loudest, but still a minority. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #107

The day thay most of DU wants to impeach President Obama is the day I pack up my gold star and... Walk away Jul 2013 #118

Not a majoirty davidpdx Jul 2013 #123

It's a constant barrage. DevonRex Jul 2013 #145

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President Biden. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #92

Nixon spied on DNC Hq and lied about it. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #93

"Illegally spying on every citizen," geek tragedy Jul 2013 #103

wow, 5 words and 3 lies ... that might be a record! JoePhilly Jul 2013 #109

Like arguing with Birthers, who also claim it's all about the constitution. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #110

Impeach!!! Police State!!! nt JoePhilly Jul 2013 #119

Usurper! nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #120

K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #94

Obama ordered his "plumbers" to break into DNC headquarters and then lied about it? ucrdem Jul 2013 #95

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It was all fine and dandy when Bush was doing it. Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #129

He's worse than Nixon, but impeach is a bit extreme. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #130

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I didn't say Obama was Nixon. I said he was worse. Dawgs Jul 2013 #138

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Neither is Obama. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #143

"I believe we have impeachable offenses by all of the people arguing this case." Zorra Jul 2013 #137

Is there any way to see who Rec'd this thread without doing so myself? Marr Jul 2013 #139

click on the rec number. DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #140

Thank you kindly. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #141

Um, I think your OP's title is mising at least one word. It doesn't HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #142

Corrected. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #144

Kick and recommended. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #148