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Singlemalt

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16. No, my question goes to the heart of your OP.

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:00 PM

Jul 2013

Here is what you said:

"That said (profanity follows...) why the FUCK would anyone defend Zimmerman? Fuck the "reasonable doubt", we live in a nation that professes to believe in something that CANNOT be proved with a reasonable doubt so toss that out the window (sincere apologies to anyone of faith--i'll defend your right to believe what you do unless you try and shove it down my throat). Based on the lies this shit-stain has told I wouldn't believe anyone would defend him. Yet there they are, in their not-even-thinly-veiled racism, defending this sociopath."

You seem to indicate quite clearly a determination of reasonable doubt if de facto "not-even-thinly-veiled racism" and "defending this sociopath." So as I asked do you feel if one concludes "reasonable doubt" this is to "defend Zimmerman?" You make it quite plain it is to be a thinly veiled racist and this puzzles me.

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I'm really disheartened reading comments all over the web about this trial... [View all] dorkzilla Jul 2013 OP

Trayvon fought for and ultimately lost his life Skittles Jul 2013 #1

If anyone has the right to claim self-defense it was Trayvon. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #20

... ellisonz Jul 2013 #108

Here is my take on the trial Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #2

You're absolutely right it IS meaningless to the outcome. Let me clarify my point... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #8

I understood your point very clearly Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #148

+1 for A1 davidpdx Jul 2013 #111

Didn't he also tell Hannity that it was god's will? Little Star Jul 2013 #3

Beat me by that much! Just Saying Jul 2013 #5

He told Hannity it was Just Saying Jul 2013 #4

I was thinking the same thing! Little Star Jul 2013 #6

Thank you for your post. It says it all. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #7

I can't remember a time when I was so close to tears... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #10

Do you think Singlemalt Jul 2013 #9

Prey tell, who are you quoting in your "gunner bigot" reference? Not all bigots have guns n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #11

I learned it here as I see it used all the time by other posters. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #12

And it won't get an answer because its presumptuous and pointless. BYE!!! n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #13

No, my question goes to the heart of your OP. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #16

Because every racist person I know and every racist person online Zoeisright Jul 2013 #101

There is a middle ground... Pelican Jul 2013 #157

And who were you last incarnation? uppityperson Jul 2013 #14

LOL I was JUST ABOUT TO EDIT MY LAST RESPONSE to say... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #15

Prescient does not mean what you seem to think it means. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #17

Do you think Zimmerman is innocent? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #18

Maybe you should re-read my posts. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #22

Where you a former member here before? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #25

No. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #58

You came on very strong and and seemed to know names of posters. That is very uncommon for new hrmjustin Jul 2013 #59

Was not in the courtroom. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #60

He should be found guilty! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #61

Of both charges? Singlemalt Jul 2013 #64

Both. He is guilty as sin. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #65

Another try Singlemalt Jul 2013 #67

Manslaughter and 2nd degree murder. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #68

Thanks for answering Singlemalt Jul 2013 #70

Look I am not a legal scholar but I do want to see him jail. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #71

I am not a legal scholar either. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #74

Fine then they should find him guilty on whatever gives him a longer jail term. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #76

That's nice. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #77

The evidence supports it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #81

The evidence supports it? Singlemalt Jul 2013 #86

Well it is what I believe. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #87

If I were a juror Singlemalt Jul 2013 #94

No need to be nasty to me. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #98

I am not being nasty to you. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #106

I think I and Du is being rather patient with you. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #113

I could post Sid's graphic but I bet it isn't needed. uppityperson Jul 2013 #126

The Zimmerman trolls are coming out in force. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #127

I was on MIRT after the grade school shooting massacre, it was awful. I bet they are uppityperson Jul 2013 #128

There's it is "the disagree with the "DU" position. Get kicked ceonupe Jul 2013 #159

I never alerted on him. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #166

The old liberals and 'emotional' right wing tripe. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #175

Based on what you have seen, read, heard, what do you think the correct verdict should be? uppityperson Jul 2013 #69

I do not play a fool's game. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #72

You do not know what I want unless you can read minds. I am looking for your opinion. uppityperson Jul 2013 #79

Did you read my reply at all? Singlemalt Jul 2013 #84

Let me try again. This is a discussion board. We share opinions and discuss things. I am looking for uppityperson Jul 2013 #90

Does one need an opinion to find out the opinion of others? Singlemalt Jul 2013 #92

Asking your opinion make you "have to be the fool"? I do not think that word means what you think it uppityperson Jul 2013 #93

Derivative Singlemalt Jul 2013 #96

I like peach pie. nt uppityperson Jul 2013 #99

Me too! Singlemalt Jul 2013 #102

Post 92. You did say it. uppityperson Jul 2013 #103

You're correct. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #109

Why would she want you to say something? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #85

Um, yes it does. and you're not looking for a conversation, you're looking for an argument. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #19

Suuuuurrrre you have. Why are you non-responsive to my question? uppityperson Jul 2013 #51

When you kill the only other eye-witness, of course there is doubt NoOneMan Jul 2013 #124

I am sick of the DUers who can't see it was TRAYVON who was using self defense Skittles Jul 2013 #151

Another DU poster has a sig line that can answer your question... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #176

Gun humpers tend to stick together Hugabear Jul 2013 #21

Right! That statement and the "these assholes always get away"... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #24

And ONLY IN AMERICA DearAbby Jul 2013 #23

Yup! dorkzilla Jul 2013 #27

That tells us a lot that we have not progressed as an humanitarian nation. lumpy Jul 2013 #75

Um no the nra did not members may have ceonupe Jul 2013 #160

Ah, so you want Zimmy to walk? Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #174

Our justice system is based on the presumption of innocence davidn3600 Jul 2013 #26

I'm not questioning the justice system.n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #28

Exactly what my questions were getting at. Singlemalt Jul 2013 #54

The fact that racism and bigotry is still in flower can affect how well the justice system works. lumpy Jul 2013 #82

OK, I'll see your point and raise you one DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #138

"Zimmerman did not even have to make bail" is not true Lurks Often Jul 2013 #172

If your attitude is "fuck reasonable doubt" then you won't understand why people think dkf Jul 2013 #29

(sigh) sorry, I didn't mean that exactly... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #32

Except the forensic evidence shows TM was on top when shot, showing dominance. dkf Jul 2013 #36

That's just ridiculous. How could it be self defense if GZ was pursuing TM??? dorkzilla Jul 2013 #38

you heaven05 Jul 2013 #42

Its like Freepers have invaded DU! LOL xoxo thanks! n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #45

They have. Just Saying Jul 2013 #112

Agree most heartedly. The Sanford police should be held accountable for their delibrate lumpy Jul 2013 #91

Just look at the rate of incarceration in the AA community dorkzilla Jul 2013 #95

Small world: Lumpy was my son's dog nickname. lumpy Jul 2013 #163

That's really funny! n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #164

You are pulling it back too far in time from the incident. dkf Jul 2013 #66

again, this was not a commentary of the judicial system n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #83

Then we may be on the same page but are debating two different things. dkf Jul 2013 #88

Very possibly! n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #89

Not entirely true. Just Saying Jul 2013 #115

If there was any evidence TM was pulling back then that would be a problem. dkf Jul 2013 #119

I really don't think the prosecution has claimed much of anything. Just Saying Jul 2013 #123

You hit it on the nose. They have poked holes but dkf Jul 2013 #133

the dominant person was the one with the gun TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #120

Thank you! dorkzilla Jul 2013 #122

What part of the prosecution's case is in doubt to you? reusrename Jul 2013 #137

TRAYVON WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE Skittles Jul 2013 #140

So you do think TM was slamming Z to save his own life? dkf Jul 2013 #145

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles Jul 2013 #146

You do realize you've just given Z grounds for self defense? dkf Jul 2013 #147

TRAYVON STOOD HIS GROUND AGAINST AN ATTACKER Skittles Jul 2013 #150

Both have right to defend themselves. dkf Jul 2013 #152

nope Skittles Jul 2013 #153

Your facts are iffy and unproven. dkf Jul 2013 #155

LOL Skittles Jul 2013 #171

I'm tired of people saying he should have run faster. bravenak Jul 2013 #30

'i'm in fear of my life therefore I am getting out of my safe car... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #34

Exactly! bravenak Jul 2013 #35

Yup. YarnAddict Jul 2013 #31

Sickening, isn't it? n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #33

Sure is. YarnAddict Jul 2013 #37

Me too, I'll be 48 in 5 weeks, and I agree it seems to be getting worse. Or maybe... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #40

amerikkka heaven05 Jul 2013 #52

I was lucky enough to learn this as a child dorkzilla Jul 2013 #62

yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #162

I've noticed that for months everywhere on the internet. It's horrible. yardwork Jul 2013 #78

Its KILLING me. Especially since (and I can't find the link right now...) dorkzilla Jul 2013 #97

No we haven't progressed, only gotten worse, a lot of it stoked by fear of losing white power. lumpy Jul 2013 #100

The fact that blacks and women have gained influence in positions of leadership and influence lumpy Jul 2013 #114

If you think of it that way, its the death knell dorkzilla Jul 2013 #130

Many people have not been endoctrinated or seriously influenced by racism and bigotry, lumpy Jul 2013 #134

DISGUSTING and IMO the A-Hole Zimmerman will get off! nt Raine Jul 2013 #39

I think for many defendants, "reasonable doubt" is viable Nevernose Jul 2013 #41

+1 dorkzilla Jul 2013 #43

That witness was more believable and made more sense, even moreso than the defense 'experts'. lumpy Jul 2013 #121

If you in your car with your gun..... TNNurse Jul 2013 #44

...and that's all this is about. Race. n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #47

Zimmermans ambition to prove that he is a super crime fighter cop and his obsession with the idea lumpy Jul 2013 #129

dont read them. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #46

The most simple solutions are the best! n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #48

Someone said that Z was justified because of stuff stolen SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #49

What.The.Fuck. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #50

That's what this is all about. White people claiming their right to kill any black man. yardwork Jul 2013 #80

Really. And burglary is punishable by death now? Zoeisright Jul 2013 #105

Just read this article, it describes the situation to a T SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #139

In My Neighbor Hood, BillyRibs Jul 2013 #53

Depending on what part of NJ you're from, they'd see the white guy... dorkzilla Jul 2013 #56

That is what a reasonable person would do. Zimmerman is one warped individual and should be lumpy Jul 2013 #131

As I said in another thread, GZ is guilty as sin. No doubts whatsoever. Owl Jul 2013 #55

but wait, Owl, you have to let the justice system do its job, because dorkzilla Jul 2013 #57

Zimmerman is an MMA wannabe punk who failed at becoming s cop. Apophis Jul 2013 #63

If Trayvon were a white kid zeeland Jul 2013 #73

I'm not setting foot in that state again Zoeisright Jul 2013 #107

It's the only power for injustice we have left. zeeland Jul 2013 #110

I used to teach students only a year or two older than Trayvon, so I have HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #118

The Sanford police really thought they had this all wrapped up with a pretty bow. zeeland Jul 2013 #135

I don't understand why people treat Zimmerman's story like avebury Jul 2013 #104

That, dear Avebury, is exactly what I am talking about. dorkzilla Jul 2013 #117

Fock, haven't laughed that hard in a long time. Hoyt Jul 2013 #116

Hoyt, we ALL know you're not "Gun Friendly"!!!! LOL! dorkzilla Jul 2013 #125

I haven't seen any hatred thrown towards Martin here. Not once Captain Stern Jul 2013 #132

you haven't been here very long noiretextatique Jul 2013 #167

Zimmerman's demeanor tblue Jul 2013 #136

The web brings out the worst in people GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #141

there are so-called progressives IN THIS THREAD who want Zimmerman to walk Skittles Jul 2013 #154

I don't know if that's the NRA culture or the fact that the prosecution did such a poor job GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #165

the idea you cannot walk on a public road, minding your own business Skittles Jul 2013 #170

I'm with you on that. If Zimmerman had just called the cops GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #173

I believe the short answer is that a defense attorney's job is to obfuscate the evidence Samantha Jul 2013 #142

You had me at "Fuck the "reasonable doubt"" cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #143

It's the same 100 guys pounding away on every site they can find. bluedigger Jul 2013 #144

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #156

I'd love to believe that but there's too many of them n/t dorkzilla Jul 2013 #158

Pro gun rights here but this rant is righteously right. nt Jasana Jul 2013 #149

Dunning Kruger effect -- a small percentage of people post comments KurtNYC Jul 2013 #161

welcome to ameriKKKa! noiretextatique Jul 2013 #168

Racism is an ugly thing Amaya Jul 2013 #169