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83. A known prediction does not require its author to be reliable - anyone can judge its truth value....
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:10 PM
Jul 2013

Here is the case against her which was dropped:

448 F.Supp.2d 558 (2006)

UNITED STATES of Americav.Susan LINDAUER, a/k/a "Symbol Susan", Defendant.

No. S2 03 CR. 807(MBM).

United States District Court, S.D. New York.

September 6, 2006.


559 *559 Michael J. Garcia, Esq., United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York,Edward C. O'Callaghan, Esq., Assistant U.S. Attorney, New York City, for Plaintiff.

Sanford Talkin, Esq., Talkin, Muccigrosso & Roberts L.L.P., New York City, for Defendant.

OPINION AND ORDER

MUKASEY, District Judge.

...

Although it is concededly a risky business to judge the thrust of underlying charged conduct from the overt acts set forth in an indictment, the acts attributed to Lindauer in the indictment are the following: meetings in 1999 and October 2001 with IIS officers, at the latter of which she accepted an unspecified task; acceptance in January 2002 of $232.77 and on two dates in February of $311.10 and $270.00, respectively, for travel, lodging and meal expenses;travel from February 23 to March 8, 2002, to Iraq, via Jordan, and meetings there in venues that included the Al Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, where she accepted $5,000; a meeting in Manhattan where she accepted $200.00 for travel, lodging and meal expenses; delivery on January 8, 2003, to the home of an unspecified government official, of a letter in which she conveyed "her established access to, and contacts with, members of the Saddam Hussein regime, in an unsuccessful attempt to influence United States foreign policy." (Indictment ¶3n) Thereafter, she is alleged to have engaged in a series of acts involving an undercover FBI agent posing as a member of the Libyan intelligence service, all apparently directed at supporting what are referred to as "resistance groups in post-war Iraq" (Indictment ¶ 3o), by which I conclude is meant groups resisting the United States and its allies and the post-war Iraqi government.

Lindauer has been reported in numerous news articles to be a cousin, to a remote degree of consanguinity, of Andrew Card, a former White House chief of staff in the current administration. E.g., David Samuels, Susan Lindauer's Mission to Baghdad, New York Times Magazine, Aug. 29, 2004, at 25. Although Lindauer is reported in the cited article to have contacted Card during her period of contact with Iraqi officials, it is uncertain whether he is the unspecified "government official" referred to in the indictment.

The substantive counts of the indictment charge defendant with acting as an unregistered agent of the Iraqi government in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 951 (Count Two); accepting about$10,000 from IIS as payment for "various services and activities," including her trip to Baghdad in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2332d (Count Five); and engaging in financial transactions with the government of Iraq in relation to her trip to Iraq in violation of 50 U.S.C.§ 1701 et seq. (Count Six).

From these charges, it appears that the high-water mark of defendant's efforts to act as an unregistered agent for the Iraqi government was her delivery of a letter in January 2003 to the home of an unspecified *561 government official, in what is described even in the indictment as "an unsuccessful effort to influence United States foreign policy." (Indictment ¶3n)

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/46046645/US-v-Susan-Lindauer-NYSD-448-F-Supp-2d-558-2006




Here are a pair of articles on her situation from "Scoop" Independent News:




American Cassandra - Susan Lindauer’s Story
Wednesday, 17 October 2007, 2:43 pm
Article: Michael Collins

Above all, you must realize that if you go ahead with this invasion, Osama bin Laden will triumph, rising from his grave or seclusion. His network will be swollen with fresh recruits, and other charismatic individuals will seek to build upon his model, multiplying those networks. And the United States will have delivered the death blow to itself. Using your own act of war, Osama and his cohort will irrevocably divide the hearts and minds of the Arab Street from moderate governments in Islamic countries that have been holding back the tide. Power to the people, what we call “democracy,” will secure the rise of fundamentalists. Susan Lindauer’s last letter to Andrew Card, January 6, 2003*


Susan Lindauer sent her eleventh and last letter on the Iraqi political situation to then Bush chief of staff Andrew Card on January 6, 2003, just two months before General Franks gave the command to invade on March 20, 2003. She’d sent ten other letters on Iraq to Card, her second cousin, over a two year period.

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Rather than being sent back to the prison facility, she spent four months at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan. Finally, on Sept. 8, 2006 she was released by order of Judge Mukasey. He flatly denied the U.S. Attorney’s request for forced medication, noting contradictory opinions on diagnosis and poor support for the efficacy of the medication recommended by court appointed and prosecution experts.

His opinion and order implied that there was not much of case against her: “There is no indication that Lindauer ever came close to influencing anyone, or could have.” Opinion and Order, Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Sept. 6, 2006

The Judge ordered that Lindauer be released from jail. She remains free to this day. Through former U.S. Attorney Brian Schaunnessy of Washington, D.C., she is seeking a trial on the charges levied and sees that as a public forum to verify her story and clear her name.

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Here is a link to the above article: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0710/S00266.htm .

Also, here is a link to the letter that is mentioned in this article: http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0710/LindauerToCardLetterJan2003.pdf .


American Cassandra: Susan Lindauer's Story
Thursday, 12 June 2008, 4:34 pm
Column: Michael Collins

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The psych evaluation culminated in a finding that she was incompetent to stand trial, on the grounds that she was "deluded" into believing that she had worked as a U.S. asset or would not get convicted. The coup de gras (sic: grâce) was a formal request by federal prosecutors to forcibly drug Lindauer with Haldol in order to cure her of those claims and beliefs, so that she could stand trial. She would be formally cured when she stopped declaring that witnesses would substantiate her story.

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Lindauer: The other meetings are called "status meetings." It's a formality to show that I'm still in the system. This is the first time I have been granted the right to call witnesses into court to authenticate my story. The Prosecutor has said that I am incompetent to stand trial because I am convinced of my innocence and cannot grasp that I might be convicted. Specifically, the Prosecution has used psychiatry to argue that my belief that I worked as an Asset for the U.S. Government constitutes delusional thinking. In a bizarre legal twist, the Prosecutor has argued that since I am delusional, I should be denied the right to call witnesses to prove that I am telling the Truth. Allegedly, my belief in the existence of witnesses is a function of my delusional belief in my innocence. Is that crazy or what? Talk about Kafkaesque!

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00141.htm


So, it seems that the background information on her mental condition does not bear up under a cursory examination. Do you have any actual information to which you might refer or can you only cite your own opinion?

Beyond this, it is obvious that she accurately predicted some of the consequences of going to war with Iraq. In what way is she an unreliable source in the context of the OP? All those events have already occurred, and she was largely spot on.

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K&R And direct link to the letter she wrote... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #1
Susan Lindauer is a mentally ill woman who suffers from psychotic delusions. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #2
Bullshit, I remember the news better than that. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #4
Both her own and the government's psychiatrists found her mentally geek tragedy Jul 2013 #5
Please refer to post #4. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #6
Your choice to have blind faith in the rantings of a diagnosed schizophrenic geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9
Again, please read post number four. truedelphi Jul 2013 #38
Yes, you have blind faith in what she says. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #40
When it comes to 911, I believe this guy zappaman Jul 2013 #44
Hey, wouldn't you know that Lindauer claims to have been part of the government effort geek tragedy Jul 2013 #45
Was that when she met Bin Laden and he told her the location of a bomb? zappaman Jul 2013 #48
Using her 'psychic gifts' nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #51
Just to be clear, she claims she used her 'psychic gifts' to spy on Libya and Iraq geek tragedy Jul 2013 #56
Except the part where she said bin Laden would win and America would lose... Octafish Jul 2013 #8
That part was pretty obvious. Didn't need to be a super duper AAA+ geek tragedy Jul 2013 #10
My favorite zappaman Jul 2013 #12
That judge just so happened to be Michael Mukasey. Funny, that. Electric Monk Jul 2013 #18
Easy to see why zappaman Jul 2013 #22
This while serving as Zoe Loefgrens' press secretary in DC, and being the CIA's main asset geek tragedy Jul 2013 #29
The guy's chums with Ghouliani and by extension that fine American convict Bernie Kerik. Octafish Jul 2013 #37
He dismissed the charges against her. Which she should have seen coming, given geek tragedy Jul 2013 #53
I hadn't heard of her before. I just did a little googling, and found these Electric Monk Jul 2013 #11
Whether she's a regular citizen of a super-spy, what the government did to her is disgraceful. Octafish Jul 2013 #25
The first sentence is a schizophrenic delusion of hers. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #27
Here alfredo Jul 2013 #62
She claims that she used 'psychic gifts' as part of her spy work in her own pleadings. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #63
Not crazy. Pentagon and CIA had Remote Viewing programs going on for spy work. Octafish Jul 2013 #73
Of course you would say that. Do you believe her story about meeting bin Laden geek tragedy Jul 2013 #74
You brought it up. Psychic spies were big time. Octafish Jul 2013 #75
Shhhh! zappaman Jul 2013 #7
What point are you trying to make by being so nasty? Have you no compassion at all? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #13
Because the diary falsely claims she was drugged and oppressed for geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16
The OP is about what she said about bin Ladin. It's not about her. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #26
No, it's called speaking the truth geek tragedy Jul 2013 #28
So you claim it's false. Why should we believe you are more sane than she? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #34
Because she's been declared mentally incompetent to stand geek tragedy Jul 2013 #35
Maybe you stuff tissues in your mouth. I dont know. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #36
I don't claim to have spied on world leaders using 'psychic gifts." geek tragedy Jul 2013 #54
I know nothing about her other than what you tell me. And I dont trust you. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #55
Links!!! geek tragedy Jul 2013 #58
Thanks. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #79
Sounds like you have been studying up on the history of the Soviet Union. RC Jul 2013 #41
So, there's a giant conspiracy to make her look crazy. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #43
Her own doctor stated she had shown no signs of mental illnesses while incarcerated. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #47
My favorite part: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #49
Sorry, I'm not into your fantasies, so I can't answer that question RC Jul 2013 #50
Are you aware she claims that she used psychic powers to spy on Libya and Iraq geek tragedy Jul 2013 #52
I just barely heard of her just now. RC Jul 2013 #57
Amazingly, I had already done the research because I had heard of her. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #59
Where did you meet her? RC Jul 2013 #61
Never had the experience. But, there's a mountain of evidence that she's nuts. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #64
Her brother thinks she has mental problems as well. zappaman Jul 2013 #66
Did you know she met bin Laden in the mid 1980's (at 22 years of age) and prevented him from geek tragedy Jul 2013 #67
Didn't Bush say he spoke to Jesus? Politicalboi Jul 2013 #68
She also personally prevented Osama bin Laden geek tragedy Jul 2013 #69
Perhaps the same way that Judith Miller managed to work for the CIA Doremus Jul 2013 #71
She wasn't a journalist, she was a Congressional staffer. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #72
You're replying with great zeal. Some might say overzealousness. Doremus Jul 2013 #80
Government conspiracy. Be sure to scrub your computer tonight. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #81
psssttt! Post #82 I think it's about you. reusrename Jul 2013 #93
A big kick and rec for truedelphi Jul 2013 #3
You sure are to invite the BOG's wrath with a post like that. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #14
The BOG reminds me of the kind of thing HB Gary is doing. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #30
Your affinity for Susan Lindauer makes sense now. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #31
So does your name. nt Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #32
If that's supposed to be an insult, it's a lame one. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #33
+1 billion newfie11 Jul 2013 #23
I'd never heard of her ... until now. Thanks. mainer Jul 2013 #15
She was put on trial and then released when the court concluded geek tragedy Jul 2013 #17
What have we become??? newfie11 Jul 2013 #19
The greatest threat that ME ever posed against us is what would befall ourselves if we attacked it MrScorpio Jul 2013 #20
Interesting. Going to read later the name sounds familiar. Autumn Jul 2013 #21
It's very interesting....considering all the crap she went through snappyturtle Jul 2013 #42
Thanks for the post of that video. I was largely unfamiliar with her situation until a poster xocet Jul 2013 #89
If you go to youtube and plug in her name there is a 90 video snappyturtle Jul 2013 #92
Thanks. I will take a look for that. xocet Jul 2013 #95
Susan Lindauer foresaw what the cabal foresaw imo: all the ingredients for creating perpetual war indepat Jul 2013 #24
I prefer Karen Kwiatkowski yodermon Jul 2013 #39
Coleen Rowley is good, plus she's a Democrat. Octafish Jul 2013 #46
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #60
I apologize if this is antagonistic, but Lindauer is not a reliable source. Blackford Jul 2013 #65
Interesting...Did you join just to post that comment? How about some background information? xocet Jul 2013 #77
Her backround suggest a woman with severe psychoogical issues Blackford Jul 2013 #78
A known prediction does not require its author to be reliable - anyone can judge its truth value.... xocet Jul 2013 #83
I further discount anything from "scoop independent news" Blackford Jul 2013 #84
That is some pure BS that you are spouting now. You did not even address the post. xocet Jul 2013 #85
I cannot address a post comprised of unreliable sources Blackford Jul 2013 #86
If that were truly the case, you would not be able post due to the obvious unreliability xocet Jul 2013 #90
I guess you didn't read the article linked in the OP. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #87
There is no source related to her I can trust. Blackford Jul 2013 #88
No source, or no Internet source? Coyotl Jul 2013 #91
K&R Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #70
Confirmation bias lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #76
She's a fine example of the old story of the motorist... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #82
+1000 nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #94
K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #96
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