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randome

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48. No, I don't support lying.

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:54 PM

Jul 2013

But Congress knew what it was doing when it asked a public question of someone who was sworn to secrecy. It was a Catch-22 situation. If Clapper declined to answer, everyone would have assumed that to be a 'Yes'.

And as another DUer pointed out, 'collection' has a different meaning to those in the spy business. I don't recall the specifics of that but it sounded authentic.

And none of this has anything to do with Snowden's claims. The guy who amazingly was unable to provide evidence other than some PowerPoint slides.

If the evidence surfaces, I'll be glad to change my opinion but right now this entire affair seems amateurish.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

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Matrix: who is Edward Snowden? [View all] flamingdem Jul 2013 OP

Who gives a fuck? The story is not about Snowden. It is about the NSA surveillance overreach. n/t xocet Jul 2013 #1

Maybe that's not the complete story flamingdem Jul 2013 #2

Actually he's secretly working with Obama to get this info to the public. reusrename Jul 2013 #18

I like that idea - be nice if true. ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #49

you sound like George W. Bush Skittles Jul 2013 #27

That over-reach was already known years earlier, and many other countries do it, too. blm Jul 2013 #4

Yes, the overreach was known about to some extent, and the Stasi did spy on East Germans.... xocet Jul 2013 #12

Why would I say it shouldn't be discussed? It's always been discussed plenty here blm Jul 2013 #14

But it isn't about "Bush Inc" now. Habibi Jul 2013 #23

What makes you believe that? Naive Dems thought BushInc was retired in 93, too. blm Jul 2013 #30

Interesting tactic on your part....however, the story is still about the NSA overreach and not E. S. xocet Jul 2013 #28

I don't think it's about Snowden either - he was just a conduit. He was groomed to do blm Jul 2013 #29

BTW - what is 'important' about the story now that wasn't 'important' the previous 12 years blm Jul 2013 #33

The fact that these surveillance programs are STILL operating is one thing that is important. xocet Jul 2013 #35

We KNEW that when Congress legalized it. The program was institutionalized in 2006. blm Jul 2013 #38

Do you have any evidence of these claims? n/t xocet Jul 2013 #39

I'm sure the same quantity of evidence exists for this theory as does for Snowden's claims: zero. randome Jul 2013 #41

How can you be sure? BTW, DNI Clapper lied to Congress. I presume you support lying to Congress... xocet Jul 2013 #42

I presume you support Obama being blamed for doing legally what was set in motion blm Jul 2013 #45

No, I don't support lying. randome Jul 2013 #48

Yes - coincidences where the Bush family is involved are never coincidences. blm Jul 2013 #44

Yep. Dell is a huge tipoff. Michael Dell gave $250,000 for W's inauguration. DevonRex Jul 2013 #40

One would have to be a 'coincidence theorist' to not see what happened here. blm Jul 2013 #43

And Dell is owned by Michael Dell and Silver Lake Partners. DevonRex Jul 2013 #50

From the beginning it smelled like a standard Bush op to me to prevent a Dem president blm Jul 2013 #3

Yes, and it was amazing how little condemnation there was when Snowden singlehandedly damaged flamingdem Jul 2013 #5

Walk down memory lane.... blm Jul 2013 #6

So that nixed Clinton's trip to China flamingdem Jul 2013 #7

Pretty much everything. The deals in the 70s with China's financial and industrial elites blm Jul 2013 #11

that is interesting to me as rand paul's biggest career donor is the club for growth, jackson HiPointDem Jul 2013 #17

Now that is quite interesting flamingdem Jul 2013 #19

i found it curious too. dad's biggest donors were army & navy groups. the kochs were in ron's HiPointDem Jul 2013 #24

Jackson Stephens (deceased) bankrolled Bill Clinton's primary campaign, but, only when blm Jul 2013 #32

I'm losing confidence in the proposition that he exists, frankly Recursion Jul 2013 #8

Well he hasn't spoken a word publically flamingdem Jul 2013 #9

I know, right? arely staircase Jul 2013 #16

interesting theory arely staircase Jul 2013 #10

You might be right. Who knows. But something sure feels wrong about him flamingdem Jul 2013 #13

the endgame to all this will be interesting in the short run arely staircase Jul 2013 #15

Maybe he intends to write a script about it and sell it to Hollywood Amonester Jul 2013 #21

No kidding. Maybe that's why he came out with forceful support flamingdem Jul 2013 #25

Absurd marions ghost Jul 2013 #46

Who Benefits? Financially? Politically? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #20

Yes, but this one's tougher than Follow The Money flamingdem Jul 2013 #22

NWO - Bushgang style. blm Jul 2013 #34

i have a theory. snowden is actually kermit roosevelt iii. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #26

Interesting.. kentuck Jul 2013 #31

This is a Bush op. Obviously. Same with all the CIA leaks. nt DevonRex Jul 2013 #36

Conspiracy Theories are a dime a dozen usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #37

Ditto marions ghost Jul 2013 #47

Typical when there's a dearth of knowledge. longship Jul 2013 #51

Why is this not in creative speculation? Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #52