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tex-wyo-dem

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45. Who cares what credibility Snowden does or doesn't have....

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:31 AM

Jul 2013

He released official records...not his words. His "credibility" has no Bering on the information released.

In any case, if he were an extreme RWer/patriot/libertarian, why would he leave the USA to live in Russia, Bolivia, Venezuela, etc? Sounds like a man who's changed his tune.

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Snowden: NRA supporter who loved domestic spying when it was Bush and hated it when it was Obama [View all] Galraedia Jul 2013 OP

I'll say again... CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #1

You know what is worse? djean111 Jul 2013 #2

He's not being smeared - his own words are being played back. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #4

It is another ham handed attempt to smear the messenger. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #10

That's what O'Reilly says when Media Matters plays back O'Reily's own words n/t Blackford Jul 2013 #13

Nevertheless, it is a ham handed attempt to smear the messenger Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #15

I disagree Blackford Jul 2013 #17

He is young. He may be a phony. For all I know, a Trojan Horse. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #44

+1 cascadiance Jul 2013 #109

+1000 JDPriestly Jul 2013 #111

Who cares what credibility Snowden does or doesn't have.... tex-wyo-dem Jul 2013 #45

Maybe he's bipolar? ;-) ReRe Jul 2013 #52

O'Reilly always cries "defamation" anneboleyn Jul 2013 #51

Don't need to be 'ham handed' to do that. randome Jul 2013 #16

I believe a "smear" involves false attribution CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #20

Putting together a negative picture of someone Union Scribe Jul 2013 #30

this sounds like what snowden and g.g are doign to the president sigmasix Jul 2013 #62

The messenger, the one who Spied and Lied and any smears he has against him is his own Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #34

If it's so terrible, doesn't it matter that the heroic revealer of it all treestar Jul 2013 #81

It is not like he can sit back and choose any country he wants. djean111 Jul 2013 #86

It's a sickness to be obsessed with killing the messenger. Your failure to acknowledge that there rhett o rick Jul 2013 #36

"his own words are being played back" djean111 Jul 2013 #77

You know what's even worse? Crying Wolf on SS every other day. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #9

Only because Boehner turned him down. djean111 Jul 2013 #68

One would think that when your human rights are threatened treestar Jul 2013 #83

We are speaking of hypocrisies in this case, Obama campaigning on not touching Social Security, and djean111 Jul 2013 #85

+1000 forestpath Jul 2013 #12

What is the difference between "criticism" and "smearing?" treestar Jul 2013 #79

I think that criticism of Snowden is pointless, and is just a bid to deflect from djean111 Jul 2013 #84

I'm trying to understand... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #96

He can run but he can't hide..... Historic NY Jul 2013 #3

Then he is an irony-filled mirror for many here on DU. Bonobo Jul 2013 #5

+1 noamnety Jul 2013 #25

I always loved those mirrors... ReRe Jul 2013 #55

Indeed. nt raouldukelives Jul 2013 #58

Yes, yes, but...he "saw things". He said stuff. randome Jul 2013 #6

Sharknado! flamingdem Jul 2013 #38

LOLOLOLOL Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #59

!!!! flamingdem Jul 2013 #107

LOL Scurrilous Jul 2013 #106

sliming for Obama! Enrique Jul 2013 #7

No one made up anything. If you don't like what Snowden said, CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #22

Apologists for Snowden. great white snark Jul 2013 #54

Then why did he wait until after he was elected a second time? MattSh Jul 2013 #69

So? I hated both times. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #8

in case anyone missed this the 20 previous times it was posted.. frylock Jul 2013 #11

I love that clip. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #14

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #37

So this excuses the spying? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #18

Define "spy on us" CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #21

It violates the Constitution and therefore will, eventually be found to be illegal. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #61

You do know there was a finding by the FISA court itself nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #97

Better a hypocrite than someone who tries to smear a whistleblower! reformist2 Jul 2013 #19

Snowden is not a Whistleblower Major Nikon Jul 2013 #63

wasn't his girl friend a poll dancer or something? I understand he had lots of boxes in his garage Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #23

All whistleblowers are not saints and some do not have good intentions. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #24

K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #35

How is it possible to keep your head from exploding from the irony? Bonobo Jul 2013 #26

Neither do I. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #27

yep. people are laughing alright. frylock Jul 2013 #57

The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife Hydra Jul 2013 #28

Lol. ronnie624 Jul 2013 #64

I despise the NRA and what they along with ALEC are doing in states... tnlefty Jul 2013 #29

Yep - BushInc pegged him right - he'd be a useful dupe for them. blm Jul 2013 #31

Loved ??? persistent Jul 2013 #32

Less nauseating than the chunk of Democrats that made the opposite flip, though. Why? TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #33

^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Jul 2013 #40

Snowden for Depend Briefs: Galraedia Jul 2013 #39

You definitively dribble Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #48

Is that supposed to be some kind of mature contribution to the topic? MattSh Jul 2013 #70

Stay classy! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #99

And the White House is still spying on all Americans MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #41

yep 290 million calls a minute, right? sigmasix Jul 2013 #95

Any word from NORAD? railsback Jul 2013 #42

And the government is still spying on us. woo me with science Jul 2013 #43

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #46

Interesting choice of imagery. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #47

Yeah, I agree. That second image was one I DO NOT NEED in my brain, ever. anneboleyn Jul 2013 #53

Govt is still spying on us. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #49

But's it's cool now that obama is doing it, DUH. allin99 Jul 2013 #92

Yep. If we found out Obama was continuing torture, there would be some DUers defending it. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #101

Motive matters. ucrdem Jul 2013 #50

Motive does not matter, concerning what was leaked. djean111 Jul 2013 #67

and some people around here that hated it when bush did it now love it that obama is doing it.. frylock Jul 2013 #56

+1000 forestpath Jul 2013 #72

Is it ok for me to not like snowden? bravenak Jul 2013 #60

That's about the way I feel. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #74

EXACTLY!! This whole crazy business of people smart mouthing and back talking our leaders is CRAZY!! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #82

Of course he did. He's a repuke. nt Kahuna Jul 2013 #65

yawn.... think Jul 2013 #66

Shoot the messenger ... again. Laelth Jul 2013 #71

Where you been the last 100 or so years? B Calm Jul 2013 #78

I respect your opinion on the man's character. Laelth Jul 2013 #80

Who do you think is the hypocrite in this case, Snowden or an Obama supporter? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #73

Some of the things that Snowden has said are contradicted by the documents he released. Galraedia Jul 2013 #88

could you imagine even one single person here on DU who did the opposite? Vehemently opposing Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #75

winning! frylock Jul 2013 #90

I am stealing that LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #104

Thank You For Sharing - Maybe True, Maybe Not - He Still Did Us All A Favor cantbeserious Jul 2013 #76

We should focus on the LEAKS, the NSA, its surveillance society. Not on the leaker. peacebird Jul 2013 #87

Could it be possible that the program changed somehow between Bush and Obama? 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #89

Similar to democrats all the sudden for FISA as it stands. allin99 Jul 2013 #91

Ah yes... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #93

This message brought to you by TransitJohn Jul 2013 #94

I used to be a libertarian. Then I grew up. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #98

Thank you marions ghost Jul 2013 #110

As opposed to the many here who seem to like the exact opposite. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #100

people change their beliefs all the time. My guess you have upaloopa Jul 2013 #102

Don't you hate it when someone changes their position based on who is in power? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #103

Heh! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #105

Kick for delicious irony LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #108

Post-Snowden Statement, the real question now is, "Have Republicans been spying on Democrats?" Coyotl Jul 2013 #112

Some of the things that Snowden has said are contradicted by the documents he released. Galraedia Jul 2013 #113