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NickB79

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25. Because you want the threat stopped as fast as possible
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:38 AM
Jul 2013

If someone is about to attack you, you want them to stop. Immediately. A regular bullet could certainly do that if it hits the right area (heart, spine, head), but a hollowpoint makes it more likely that a less-than-ideal shot will still get them to stop.

Who says the first gunshot is supposed to lethal in a self-defense situation?


Like I said, you shoot to stop the threat as quickly as possible. That means shooting center-mass to ensure that as many bullets as possible hit the target, and where they'll do the quickest amount of damage. Bullshit Hollywood moves like "shoot to wound" or "warning shots" are a quick way to either end up dead or in prison yourself. If you are going to resort to using a firearm, you've already made the decision to potentially kill someone. No point dicking around trying a trick shot that could then be used against you in court to say you weren't truly in fear for your life. This woman in Florida found out that doing so can get you 20 years in prison: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing

And yes, you should exhaust all non-lethal means first. If you have pepper spray, use it. If you can run, by God run like hell. If you can lock yourself in a room, do so. That's exactly what I did when I was 17 and was forced to point a loaded rifle at my enraged father after he almost murdered my mother. Thankfully, the sight of the gun DID act as a deterrent, but it was really, really close.

Maybe a regular bullet would have defended Zimmerman, made his point without ensuring the victim's death.


Per the news reports, the bullet fired by Zimmerman pierced Martin's heart. A regular bullet would have killed him just as dead as a hollowpoint (was Zimmerman firing hollowpoints? Not sure I ever read that).

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No matter what, he will strengthen the gun control movement. onehandle Jul 2013 #1
I think the only reasonable doubt MIGHT be with murder Nevernose Jul 2013 #2
I agree owning a gun has responsibilities and Zimmerman did not have correct training or just did Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #3
and the 1% of gun owners that do misuse guns should face the penalties of doing so The Straight Story Jul 2013 #4
The OP Is about Zimmerman BainsBane Jul 2013 #6
There is a scene in the West Wing where the lawyer tells Cj galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #8
+ 1000 nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #9
an extremist BainsBane Jul 2013 #32
What can I say, you say some pretty outrageous things galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #40
I don't think you are even trying anymore (or you are just trolling at this point) The Straight Story Jul 2013 #29
Sorry, I'm not here to post NRA talking points BainsBane Jul 2013 #33
So you are saying I am? Care to back that up? The Straight Story Jul 2013 #34
Your facts BainsBane Jul 2013 #35
"The basic fact is that you and others value guns over the lives of those killed by guns." uh...No The Straight Story Jul 2013 #39
Here is that back up BainsBane Jul 2013 #36
How is that related to suicide?? Here is what that link says: The Straight Story Jul 2013 #38
K & R Just Saying Jul 2013 #5
skydiving is legal, but safety is not guaranteed markiv Jul 2013 #7
When did using hollow point bullets become a responsible choice? targetpractice Jul 2013 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #11
When people figured out that they were less likely... beevul Jul 2013 #12
Overpenetrate? targetpractice Jul 2013 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #14
Why do you want them to expand? To kill the target? n/t targetpractice Jul 2013 #15
To stop the "target" from being a threat, as rapidly as possible NickB79 Jul 2013 #18
And shooting regular ole bullet won't do? Why? targetpractice Jul 2013 #19
Because you want the threat stopped as fast as possible NickB79 Jul 2013 #25
I want the first bullet to be as effective as possible Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #37
The goal of use of force, sarisataka Jul 2013 #20
To ensure a kill, in other words. targetpractice Jul 2013 #21
Where did I ever indicate killing is the goal? sarisataka Jul 2013 #22
Just the opposite, actually. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #24
They always have been the responsible choice. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #23
So if he's found not guilty of "anything at all" that will be case law for hunting down and killing flvegan Jul 2013 #16
Precedent is a useful and dangerous thing. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #28
The only way this sets precedent anomiep Jul 2013 #30
There is no right whatsoever that does not carry responsibilities that go along with it anomiep Jul 2013 #17
+1 Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #27
Thanks! anomiep Jul 2013 #31
All of our Rights have responsibilities, GREAT responsibilities. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #26
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