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In reply to the discussion: ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - MORNING, Day 14, Friday, July 12, 2013 Let's combine comments into one thread. [View all]riverwalker
(8,694 posts)70. bob kealing jury observation possible foreman (forewoman)
bob kealing @bobkealing 16m
Other jurors appear more detached, listening, while juror E-6 has serious look. Going over notes.
bob kealing @bobkealing 20m
6 has a clipboard and notepad, multiple pens and a highlighter. My candidate for jury foreman.
bob kealing @bobkealing 22m
E-6 had two pens and a highlighter in one hand. I'm not surprised
did some searching on this possible jury forewoman.
Juror E6:
She is white
She is married and has two children.
She has lived in Seminole County for two years.
Her husband and son own guns.
She was involved in a domestic violence incident in her past.
Juror E6
E6 was one of two jurors the State sought unsuccessfully to strike from the jury. She is a white mother with adolescent children, 11- and 13-years-old, and again was a jury first presented to the court on the second day of jury selection. She had lived in Seminole county since 1999.
She was among the jurors who had been previously arrested, but says that she was treated fairly, was deserving of it, and would not hold it against either side in this case. She explained that it had been a domestic violence matter.
She seemed quite nervous in her first day at court. She said she had seen a headline here and there about the case, but didnt follow it closely. As so many other jurors, she discounted the credibility and trustworthiness of the press, saying that she takes the news with a grain of salt, I dont put much stock to whats in the news, its so speculative. She acknowledged the importance of basing the verdict only on evidence presented at trial.
She was aware that Zimmerman had been a neighborhood watch person, and said she thought that neighborhood watch could be either a good or bad thing, depending.
She recalled seeing pictures of Zimmermans bloody face, just the one basic picture. She also said that she had heard the recordings of both Zimmermans non-emergency call and the Witness #11 911 call. She said she didnt have an opinion about who might have been screaming in the background of the 911 call.
She told the Court that her husband had several guns in the household, including a 9mm pistol and .38 caliber revolver, and a couple of rifles. Her 13-year-old son also has a hunting rifle and some BB guns. E6 has been to the range once shooting actual firearms, and has done target practice with the BB guns.
as involved in a domestic violence incident in her past.
In the context of the discussion of circumstantial evidence during the final voir dire by OMara, E6 said that the State would have to produce first-hand witnesses and facts to overcome any reasonable doubt. She professed to understand and to favor the higher of standard of proof required in a criminal case than in a civil case, because the repercussions of a criminal case follow you for the rest of your life." E6 also asked a couple of interesting questions. She asked, if all the evidence is presented and theyre trying to point it to one conclusion but as jurors we could imagine a scenario that also fit the facts with all the facts presented, would that be reasonable doubt? She followed that up by asking to explore in further depth the concept of a reasonable and prudent person.
Notably, when she first heard about the shooting she used it as a cautionary tale for her children, warning them to not go out at night, and not to conduct themselves in dress or manner so as to give a false impression.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/meet-the-zimmerman-trial-jurors/
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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - MORNING, Day 14, Friday, July 12, 2013 Let's combine comments into one thread. [View all]
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
OP
I remember a years-long propaganda campaign to pass "Stand your ground" laws in several states
Kolesar
Jul 2013
#1
Telling the jury that they're too stupid to be a proper jury is a nice start. nt
MrScorpio
Jul 2013
#2
It seems he keeps telling the jury just to use the evidence and facts, not common sense or
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#225
If he spends an hour talking about burden of proof he will put the jury to sleep so he
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#16
I can't. I know in order to be "fair", I should but they irritate the crap out of me.
Myrina
Jul 2013
#33
"Default" to what you are used to means what exactly? O'Mara instructing jury to be careful
Ninga
Jul 2013
#9
He said said to jury that you "don"t have ANY doubt" He used the wrong standard
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#12
and juries get confused by exactly that. I would hang this jury if it wouldn't convict of
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#35
He's trying to get them to default to 'Well, we don't know, so we can't decide. Acquitted.'
Myrina
Jul 2013
#36
He says the prosecution wants you to believe GZ is some kind of wannabe cop....
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#32
O'Mara's tone conveys "this was no big deal" and state hasn't proven Z their case...hacking
Ninga
Jul 2013
#25
Vomit inducing tone, attitude and words, lacking passion or caring..Droning. lecturing.
Ninga
Jul 2013
#28
Yes, really. Trayvon was part of the "group". He is really splitting hairs if he thinks
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#34
O'Mara relaxed, no-big deal approach, is clever and purposeful to show that Z was just
Ninga
Jul 2013
#43
Will O'Mara explain the how this fight traveled 40 feet....OH JUST SAID SOMEHOW THE FIGHT MOVED
Ninga
Jul 2013
#49
..this should be fun, because Z indicated the fight started when he saw TM in the video with agents
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#52
Omara - "...however they ended up there..." talking about 40 ' from the spot GZ said TM hit him
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#58
Looks like they're tired, animation didn't help either...left too many gaps Z should be filing
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#60
I don't know but considering how much water he is consuming, he will have to pee.
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#62
Basically, yep. It's TM's own fault for 'looking suspicious' and running from Z ....
Myrina
Jul 2013
#130
He was hiding, he didn't want some "creepy ass cracker" to know where he lives.
reusrename
Jul 2013
#71
there is one additional reason why he might not have wanted to head straight to the house
Bodhi BloodWave
Jul 2013
#118
That also assumes Trayvon HAD...HAD to go home and he didn't. It was TM neighborhood too and he had
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#74
I don't know. I just have to throw out what Kealing says, same as GZ. I would be listening very
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#98
She sounds like she would hold how a woman was dressed against her in a rape case. Nice
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#81
Oh Lord, after reading comments online about this trial I have lost hope in
SaveAmerica
Jul 2013
#140
I was given a notebook and pen. You were not allowed to take them with you on break.
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#87
4 mins assumes Trayvon Martin HAD... HAD to go home?! Also "why are you following me"
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#89
I don't understand the mysterious 4 minutes.. wasn't he on the phone w/ Rachel?
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#104
If I knew someone was stalking me, I wouldn't want them to know where I live.
bushisanidiot
Jul 2013
#93
Yes, ignore Dee Dees testimony all together...oh, also ignore Zimmermans statements too!!!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#96
they have been doing that from the beginning- when they opened up with a knock knock joke
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#127
hell yes- they are arguing GZ was smart to be profiling - even though the criminal was caught
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#150
I think they were trying to get the jury to imagine Trayvon hiding out in the dark,
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#304
It was so significant GZ didn't go to the hospital?! Yeah, don't use your common sense ok...
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#103
It was 2 mins, the defense is stretching the truth and that's the only part of Jentels account he
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#110
AND he wants you to use your vivid imagination, as opposed to common sense
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#306
no, the jury has to decide whether GZ is credible based on all they have seen. the state does not
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#111
No, I just have to KNOW GZ didn't act as a reasonable person. His stories do not mesh or sound true
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#154
their theory is GZ lied and exaggerated about the struggle and injuries, and that he was never
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#161
presenting the undisputable facts & forensic evidence, and precise timeline, is enough
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#307
Look, the prosecution KNEW they have 2 bites at the jury apple. Bernie set up "intent" by using Z's
Ninga
Jul 2013
#112
It takes 4 minutes to get home, unless you know you are being stalked by a nutcase with a gun
bushisanidiot
Jul 2013
#113
GREAT POINT!! There should be an OP on what to do when someone is following you
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#116
At 17 years of age, I would have been scared to the point of being paralyzed. It is the RARE 17
Ninga
Jul 2013
#120
Even saying he was seventeen is a stretch since three weeks earlier he had been 16.
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#134
somebody on the Frederick Leatherman blog (in discussion board) was saying
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#196
I didn't expect him to roll over, but some facts to support his client would be nice.
Myrina
Jul 2013
#135
Of course, the only thing O'mara can poke holes in is who mounted who, etc. I don't think it matters
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#249
No dispute that he is doing the job he is paid to do. The family will have gotten their money's
Ninga
Jul 2013
#136
How Many Times Was The Term "Reasonable Doubt" Mentioned In The Defense Close?,,,nt
global1
Jul 2013
#158
they added 4 inches to Trayvons height in the video- like 2" for the sneakers, LOL and 2: more for
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#165
oh yeah- they didn't adjust for weight in video- not significant enough to click the mouse twice and
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#181
yes- but the jury doesn't know because that was in the hearing over admissibility.
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#183
I know, that's been bugging me too. Juvenile ... trying to appeal to the moms, I suppose. nt.
polly7
Jul 2013
#175
Well, we shall see if O,Mara's waving his arms telling the jury "move on, nothing to see here"
Ninga
Jul 2013
#174
I haven't seen a "if it does not fit, you must acquit" moment in this closing argument yet
Blackford
Jul 2013
#180
The Prosecution should show zimmermann's MUG SHOT to show how tall he is
bushisanidiot
Jul 2013
#191
I wish the prosecution would read here. They've missed a lot of opportunities, imo. nt.
polly7
Jul 2013
#200
There are multiple mugshots to choose from since zimmerman has been arrested several times
bushisanidiot
Jul 2013
#234
it;s the same as Casey Anthony- they made cartoon images of all the phony people she made up
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#204
I saw one of the prosecutors' faces ..... I think he was ready to burst. Pathetic. nt.
polly7
Jul 2013
#240
That's Florida for ya...there's not much to like about Florida. It started in 2000, with a lot of
Ninga
Jul 2013
#226
You are probably right about the law but I was amused when the defense asked the jury to ignore the
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#247
basically that's what they're arguing and it does NOT matter if you're "really" hurt either it's jus
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#237
lots of 2-year-olds shoot people with guns, so it's conceivable you'd be worried he had a gun
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#311
omg...so true, look at the rash of < 5 kid shootings....this trial opens up so much trouble
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#313
unnn, once John Guy (Costner dude) comes on the threads start getting a little longer :rolleyes: :-)
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#245
Could we please get an afternoon thread? This one is taking forever to load n/t
Blackford
Jul 2013
#246
4 minutes was not the time Trayvon had to run home. 4 minutes was the time Trayon had
chelsea0011
Jul 2013
#252
the hoarseness, yes.. I hadn't thought of that before but if I were on the jury it would
Voice for Peace
Jul 2013
#312
he destoyed GZ's stories. and that is all that needs to happen. no doubt we heard nothing but
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#272
On the gun part yes he does, on the T part yes he does, on the lie he doesn't have to rebut just
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#273
The answer (to me) that removes reasonable doubt, was Z's intent, not staying in the car,
Ninga
Jul 2013
#274
He is doing a great job. He has no need to confuse the jury with nonrelated drek, a tactic
lumpy
Jul 2013
#294
That's a good sine, Guy almost had me at the kid watch!! I have 2 4yr olds with kid watches!!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#275
good grief, do we have do be worried about a hung jury....Oh wait I just thouht of something.
Ninga
Jul 2013
#279
Do you mean they'll be dismissed if the one jurror is thrown out for crying? thx in advance
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#287
And she is the gun owner that O Mara picked out to try and sway with his BS about decison making-
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#277
she was quoted saying she thinks guns should be more difficult to obtain, so perhaps she is not
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#297
or guilt because she was leaning to acquit..... I thought a few of GZs character / voice witnesses
bettyellen
Jul 2013
#299